The Hobgoblin with captive Spearwoman (Goblin Slayer) is dumped in the U.P. 4000 BCE

[Chiron]

As the tin says, they are set right where Hancock Michigan would be. They are 3 days travel from the nearest Old Copper Culture settlement. Spearwoman will be giving birth in 3 days to another brood of goblins and ironically her determination to not give in just ensures Hobgoblin keeps her around as a preferred breeder just so he can break her before disposing of her for a newer breeder.

Will this spur the Old Copper Culture to get serious and band up to face the soon arriving Goblin threat, or will Hobgoblin, who is in a rich copper and iron land and has some base ideal of smelting and forging weapons of metal, become a first ever Goblin Emperor?

As for why these 2, well if I ISOTed Greenhorn Team and the original Goblins, there wouldn't have been a chance for the Old Copper Culture.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Goblins overrun the Americas.

 

[Agent23]

If the goblins kill off or drive off all the humans won't that collapse their population?
In any case, it will be interesting to see what happens when the conquistadors come in a few thousand years later.

Will there be a complex human civilization or a wasteland left after multiple cycles of goblin and human civilizations waxing and waning?
Maybe.

In any case, what I saw of the Goblin Slayer anime doesn't really show Goblins from that universe as being able to construct a very advanced civilization.They are more parasites and bottom feeders that live off of what they can steal from the other species than of what they produce themselves.
Also, how good will baseline human females be at producing goblins long-term as opposed to say all the female adventurers with tons of points into the stamina and constitution columns?

 

[Chiron]

If the goblins kill off or drive off all the humans won't that collapse their population?
In any case, it will be interesting to see what happens when the conquistadors come in a few thousand years later.

Will there be a complex human civilization or a wasteland left after multiple cycles of goblin and human civilizations waxing and waning?
Maybe.

In any case, what I saw of the Goblin Slayer anime doesn't really show Goblins from that universe as being able to construct a very advanced civilization.They are more parasites and bottom feeders that live off of what they can steal from the other species than of what they produce themselves.
Also, how good will baseline human females be at producing goblins long-term as opposed to say all the female adventurers with tons of points into the stamina and constitution columns?

Depends on the Goblin in question, the resources available to them, what they survive, and what they see. Goblins on the Green Moon for example have a complex industrial society though not much is seen of it as Goblin Slayer wisely sealed off that portal after a quick look in the written/drawn sources.

One Goblin actually became a Paladin and enforced an ISIS like rule over a horde, getting them to fight in discipline ranks and adopt a higher calling in service to the God of Wisdom. Freaked the fuck out of Goblin Slayer who proceeded to eliminate him ASAP and hunt that Horde down to the last spawn just to be sure. If he had a magical nuke, he likely would have used it as well to make super sure.

As for baseline humans, well Goblin Slayer Humans are just normal humans with some able to do magic because of blessings from their gods.

For Hobgoblin, he first priority is to set up a nest to shelter Spearwoman as she gives birth and serve as his base to hunt for food and make weapons for his new tribe which with the plentiful native copper on the ground would be an easy task.

Say 3 days for Spearwoman to give birth to 4 goblins, 7 pregancies over 21 days, gives 28 goblins... Even if 20 are killed shortly afterwards, Hobgoblin's tribe will start to gain the upper hand if the Old Copper Culture doesn't catch on quick.

And since Goblins can use boats, if they reach a certain critical mass they may attempt sailing the oceans as well.

 

[Agent23]

Depends on the Goblin in question, the resources available to them, what they survive, and what they see. Goblins on the Green Moon for example have a complex industrial society though not much is seen of it as Goblin Slayer wisely sealed off that portal after a quick look in the written/drawn sources.

One Goblin actually became a Paladin and enforced an ISIS like rule over a horde, getting them to fight in discipline ranks and adopt a higher calling in service to the God of Wisdom. Freaked the fuck out of Goblin Slayer who proceeded to eliminate him ASAP and hunt that Horde down to the last spawn just to be sure. If he had a magical nuke, he likely would have used it as well to make super sure.

As for baseline humans, well Goblin Slayer Humans are just normal humans with some able to do magic because of blessings from their gods.

For Hobgoblin, he first priority is to set up a nest to shelter Spearwoman as she gives birth and serve as his base to hunt for food and make weapons for his new tribe which with the plentiful native copper on the ground would be an easy task.

Say 3 days for Spearwoman to give birth to 4 goblins, 7 pregancies over 21 days, gives 28 goblins... Even if 20 are killed shortly afterwards, Hobgoblin's tribe will start to gain the upper hand if the Old Copper Culture doesn't catch on quick.

And since Goblins can use boats, if they reach a certain critical mass they may attempt sailing the oceans as well.

At those rates, IMO, the Goblyns will burn through the sparse human population's females and there population will collapse unless they start farming humans.

 

[Chiron]

At those rates, IMO, the Goblyns will burn through the sparse human population's females and there population will collapse unless they start farming humans.

Depends on how the Old Copper Culture reacts. If they completely fall apart, selection pressure will cause the Goblins to better care for their breeding stock to extend their longevity at first and as that starts to fail, then they will farm humans.

However, if the Copper Culture catches wind of what is going on fast enough, then selection pressure will have them building fortifications, especially those on Isle Royal which will become a Fortress Island and copper weapons arsenal.

If that sustains itself, we could see a copper and iron weapons race as the Goblins and Old Copper Culture become Iron Weapons Cultures battling for control of the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River Basin. Given Goblin adaptability they would also work to domesticate wolves, bears, and bison despite the risks, forcing the AmerIndians to do so as well despite all the troubles just to keep up.

Mutual selection pressures will cause both to develop more organized tribes in the process and result in a mess of zones of influence centered around tribal strongholds rather than firm territorial lines. Highly possible with 2,000 years the fighting spills onto the Afro-Eurasian Continent as the Goblins get better at sailing and surviving which in turn will result in more selection pressures just as the Bronze Age Collapse drops down.

Lots of ways it could go. It could even end with an AmerIndian Super State using Iron Tools wins the struggle against Goblins and is strong enough to contest the Europeans successfully.

 

[Agent23]

Depends on how the Old Copper Culture reacts. If they completely fall apart, selection pressure will cause the Goblins to better care for their breeding stock to extend their longevity at first and as that starts to fail, then they will farm humans.

However, if the Copper Culture catches wind of what is going on fast enough, then selection pressure will have them building fortifications, especially those on Isle Royal which will become a Fortress Island and copper weapons arsenal.

If that sustains itself, we could see a copper and iron weapons race as the Goblins and Old Copper Culture become Iron Weapons Cultures battling for control of the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River Basin. Given Goblin adaptability they would also work to domesticate wolves, bears, and bison despite the risks, forcing the AmerIndians to do so as well despite all the troubles just to keep up.

Mutual selection pressures will cause both to develop more organized tribes in the process and result in a mess of zones of influence centered around tribal strongholds rather than firm territorial lines. Highly possible with 2,000 years the fighting spills onto the Afro-Eurasian Continent as the Goblins get better at sailing and surviving which in turn will result in more selection pressures just as the Bronze Age Collapse drops down.

Lots of ways it could go. It could even end with an AmerIndian Super State using Iron Tools wins the struggle against Goblins and is strong enough to contest the Europeans successfully.

TBH given what we know of the standard goblin, and what I saw and remember from the ones in Goblin Slayer you are giving them too much credit for their ability to think ahead and organize.
NOTE, again, I have only seen the first season of the anime.

 

[Chiron]

TBH given what we know of the standard goblin, and what I saw and remember from the ones in Goblin Slayer you are giving them too much credit for their ability to think ahead and organize.
NOTE, again, I have only seen the first season of the anime.

Read the Manga and Light Novels, there is a reason they are truly too dangerous to ignore and need to be exterminated stat.

 

[Agent23]

Read the Manga and Light Novels, there is a reason they are truly too dangerous to ignore and need to be exterminated stat.

I am not saying that they aren't dangerous to such a low-tech culture.
I think that, based on what I saw of them, they will be far too eager to rape, murder and pillage, like a very virulent pathogen that destroys its entire host reservoir in short order.
Like Ebola.

 

[Chiron]

I am not saying that they aren't dangerous to such a low-tech culture.
I think that, based on what I saw of them, they will be far too eager to rape, murder and pillage, like a very virulent pathogen that destroys its entire host reservoir in short order.
Like Ebola.

Only when at a starting phase. As they survive and age, they get smarter and more crafty, to taking over abandoned forts, crafting weapons, etc. Like I said, one even became a Paladin and enforced discipline to such a degree, Goblin Slayer had to cause an avalanche to end the threat and was thorough to make sure because if he got out of that area and took over more Goblin Nests, and raised up more Goblin Paladins, they would have had overran Kingdoms.

 

[Agent23]

Only when at a starting phase. As they survive and age, they get smarter and more crafty, to taking over abandoned forts, crafting weapons, etc. Like I said, one even became a Paladin and enforced discipline to such a degree, Goblin Slayer had to cause an avalanche to end the threat and was thorough to make sure because if he got out of that area and took over more Goblin Nests, and raised up more Goblin Paladins, they would have had overran Kingdoms.

All of those behaviors sound like the exception, rather than the norm, IMHO.
And if the human population is small enough and spread out enough then the goblins will probably collapse before they reach any sort of critical mass necessary for a more advanced goblin society.

Also, how will they know how to make weapons and armor and smelt metals?

Do they have some form of genetic memory like Warhammer 40k Orks do?

 

[ATP]

As the tin says, they are set right where Hancock Michigan would be. They are 3 days travel from the nearest Old Copper Culture settlement. Spearwoman will be giving birth in 3 days to another brood of goblins and ironically her determination to not give in just ensures Hobgoblin keeps her around as a preferred breeder just so he can break her before disposing of her for a newer breeder.

Will this spur the Old Copper Culture to get serious and band up to face the soon arriving Goblin threat, or will Hobgoblin, who is in a rich copper and iron land and has some base ideal of smelting and forging weapons of metal, become a first ever Goblin Emperor?

As for why these 2, well if I ISOTed Greenhorn Team and the original Goblins, there wouldn't have been a chance for the Old Copper Culture.

Goblins have no females.Once they capture all females there,they would die.The same goes for rest of America.If they reach Europe by boats - mass extincion of entire human race,and later goblins,too.
Unless,they manage to create cyvilisation like that on Moon.Then,we would live - as goblins animals,only to produce next generation of womans,which next would be ganraped and finally killed after producing 20-30 goblins.
For womans in territories occupied by Moscov on Ukraine,nothing change.

 

[Agent23]

For womans in territories occupied by Moscov on Ukraine,nothing change.

But you claim Muskovite KGBStan are orcs, orcs beat goblins!
Are you saying that they are goblins, now?
Anyways, let us keep this from the discussion, vs. shouldn't be political.

 

[ATP]

But you claim Muskovite KGBStan are orcs, orcs beat goblins!
Are you saying that they are goblins, now?
Anyways, let us keep this from the discussion, vs. shouldn't be political.

Putin look like goblin from Harry Potter movie.And i claim nothing,kgbstan army behave there as if they were orcs.
About our scenario - either we are long extinc,or all ilve as ukrainians under kgbstan ocupation.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Even in the world of Goblin Slayer itself, the goblins can't actually sustain their own lifestyle and only persist because the gods Truth and Illusion add more goblins into the world to provide hardships to people*. Without Truth plopping down more goblins and Illusion dropping even entire goblin nests and newly created dungeons to keep things "interesting" the goblins aren't going to last long.

It's one of the more irritating aspects of the setting and one of the things that made me drop it, the heroes' efforts in-setting are ultimately pointless because even if they can clear an area, Truth and Illusion will just create more monsters and dungeons in that area whole cloth, they can never actually win.

*This is revealed in the second light novel, chapter: Interlude: Of the Gods Making Merry

 

[Agent23]

Even in the world of Goblin Slayer itself, the goblins can't actually sustain their own lifestyle and only persist because the gods Truth and Illusion add more goblins into the world to provide hardships to people*. Without Truth plopping down more goblins and Illusion dropping even entire goblin nests and newly created dungeons to keep things "interesting" the goblins aren't going to last long.

It's one of the more irritating aspects of the setting and one of the things that made me drop it, the heroes' efforts in-setting are ultimately pointless because even if they can clear an area, Truth and Illusion will just create more monsters and dungeons in that area whole cloth, they can never actually win.

*This is revealed in the second light novel, chapter: Interlude: Of the Gods Making Merry

I just love how obsessed Japs are with the whole adding gaming logic to their fantasy manga, anime and LNs.
Then again, you need gods to do Isekai-like stuff.

 

[Chiron]

All of those behaviors sound like the exception, rather than the norm, IMHO.
And if the human population is small enough and spread out enough then the goblins will probably collapse before they reach any sort of critical mass necessary for a more advanced goblin society.

Also, how will they know how to make weapons and armor and smelt metals?

Do they have some form of genetic memory like Warhammer 40k Orks do?

Goblins have three main paths:

Shaman route where they practice magic and coordinate resources. Goblin Slayer makes sure to take them out first the moment he sees a totem at a nest.

Lord route where they develop brains, cunning, and strategies to lead armies and learn from their mistakes. Why Priestess made sure to help Goblin Slayer kill the lord. If he escaped, he would have learned from the defeat, and done better reconnaissance before hand.

Champion route, they become bigger and better melee fighters on par with Ogres in strength and endurance. Goblin Slayer had to use a weaponized portal scroll to summon salt water from the very depths of the ocean. Which as you can guess, sliced the champion to death.

How the Priest and Paladin routes occurred is not known fully.

And no they don't have genetic memories, just very good adaptive learning. Its why sparing the young is dangerous and why Goblin Slayer makes sure he gets them all. Because a partial failure on his part meant one Goblin Tribe copied his arrow trick and used it against him.

And it is why Goblin Slayer freaked the fuck out over the glimpse of what he saw on the Green Moon of an advanced Goblin Society.

Back to the Op, Hobgoblin is on the Champion path but there is no hard rules that he stays on it. And with just spearwoman, no immediate prospects for a replacement, and a strange new world, Hobgoblin will by adaptive reasoning, monopolize the poor girl to himself and make his offspring go out into the world to sink or swim and more importantly scout. This will lessen the strain on spearwoman from being repeatably gang raped, ensuring she lasts longer, which in turn will be a lesson passed down to other Goblins.

Which is why Goblin Slayer found Dark Elf's recruited Goblin Army so dangerous as he was teaching them to better care for their breeding stock which prolonged the amount of time they were bred which in turn was breeding smarter Goblins.

It thus becomes a selective pressure race. The Goblins if the Old Copper Culture doesn't wise up fast, will quickly start to domesticate wolves into a form of cavalry, do the same to bears and bison, and that could quickly put the AmerIndians at a severe if not fatal disadvantage if they don't quickly develop fortifications and sophisticated and disciplined copper weapon Armies and take the fight back to the Goblins.

 

[Chiron]

Even in the world of Goblin Slayer itself, the goblins can't actually sustain their own lifestyle and only persist because the gods Truth and Illusion add more goblins into the world to provide hardships to people*. Without Truth plopping down more goblins and Illusion dropping even entire goblin nests and newly created dungeons to keep things "interesting" the goblins aren't going to last long.

It's one of the more irritating aspects of the setting and one of the things that made me drop it, the heroes' efforts in-setting are ultimately pointless because even if they can clear an area, Truth and Illusion will just create more monsters and dungeons in that area whole cloth, they can never actually win.

*This is revealed in the second light novel, chapter: Interlude: Of the Gods Making Merry

Yes and no. Goblin Slayer is basically a giant fuck you to Truth and Illusion as he is outside their ability to roll the dice on.

And the Goblins survive on their own merits as well, all it takes is one breeding age goblin to grab one girl and in a week, he will have 10 to 20 offspring if not nipped in the bud.

 

[ATP]

Yes and no. Goblin Slayer is basically a giant fuck you to Truth and Illusion as he is outside their ability to roll the dice on.

And the Goblins survive on their own merits as well, all it takes is one breeding age goblin to grab one girl and in a week, he will have 10 to 20 offspring if not nipped in the bud.

And that is why GS is impossible.Goblins should either overrun population and die,or take over and breed people.Species who could have adult next generation in week would always replace that which need at least 15 years.

 

[Agent23]

Goblins have three main paths:

Shaman route where they practice magic and coordinate resources. Goblin Slayer makes sure to take them out first the moment he sees a totem at a nest.

Lord route where they develop brains, cunning, and strategies to lead armies and learn from their mistakes. Why Priestess made sure to help Goblin Slayer kill the lord. If he escaped, he would have learned from the defeat, and done better reconnaissance before hand.

Champion route, they become bigger and better melee fighters on par with Ogres in strength and endurance. Goblin Slayer had to use a weaponized portal scroll to summon salt water from the very depths of the ocean. Which as you can guess, sliced the champion to death.

How the Priest and Paladin routes occurred is not known fully.

And no they don't have genetic memories, just very good adaptive learning. Its why sparing the young is dangerous and why Goblin Slayer makes sure he gets them all. Because a partial failure on his part meant one Goblin Tribe copied his arrow trick and used it against him.

And it is why Goblin Slayer freaked the fuck out over the glimpse of what he saw on the Green Moon of an advanced Goblin Society.

Back to the Op, Hobgoblin is on the Champion path but there is no hard rules that he stays on it. And with just spearwoman, no immediate prospects for a replacement, and a strange new world, Hobgoblin will by adaptive reasoning, monopolize the poor girl to himself and make his offspring go out into the world to sink or swim and more importantly scout. This will lessen the strain on spearwoman from being repeatably gang raped, ensuring she lasts longer, which in turn will be a lesson passed down to other Goblins.

Which is why Goblin Slayer found Dark Elf's recruited Goblin Army so dangerous as he was teaching them to better care for their breeding stock which prolonged the amount of time they were bred which in turn was breeding smarter Goblins.

It thus becomes a selective pressure race. The Goblins if the Old Copper Culture doesn't wise up fast, will quickly start to domesticate wolves into a form of cavalry, do the same to bears and bison, and that could quickly put the AmerIndians at a severe if not fatal disadvantage if they don't quickly develop fortifications and sophisticated and disciplined copper weapon Armies and take the fight back to the Goblins.

Ok, a few things here.

First off, if the goblins do not have genetic memory how do they learn specific skills, like how to find, mine and smelt ore?

Second, why assume that the hobgoblin will act rationally and conserve his breeding stock?

Third, and I would assume that it would happen often, wouldn't the hobgoblin get challenged if he hogs all of the pussy for himself?

Also, from what Bear Ribs explained, it sounds like the goblins need periodic replenishment and divine aid to keep their numbers and not get exterminated.
Also, it sounds like every single instance where they managed to form something stable and more advanced was a special case, which is not something we can expect with any degree of certainty.Like you said, goblins had to be taught to preserve their breedingstock by an external force.


IMHO all that shows that your median, run of the mil goblins are pretty bad at self-organizing, and if they are ever put into a situation where resources are scarce they will probably devolve into infighting.

Was it ever specified if the Goblins got a kick of the actual breeding and if it was important to them to take part in breeding?

You'd think that with breeding stock so limited and thy having to raid for it then breeding must be even more important to them than it is to us, so not being able to partake in it just might make them rebellious or willing to run away to form their own nests.