Abhishekm
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The media is wallstreet, if even a few more people realize that from this that is really something.
Business & Finance The GameStop Short Stock Sensation
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ShieldWife
Marchioness
Yes, I hope people can realize this. All of these big corporations own each other and they own the two parties too. I hope that people will wake up to the power these big corporations have over us. Any resistance is going to come from the right, because our left (despite communist rhetoric) is utterly under the control of mega-corporations and Wall Street and we are going to see that with how Biden and company respond to this.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Politicians answer to their financial backers first and foremost, so Biden's handlers won't go after Wall Street, they are already framing it as evil right wing plot to get the NPCs into orange man bad mode. They will continue milking the Trump scare to the day the Sun goes supernova.
I'm not sure they're framing it as anything, there's been a handful of articles trying that angle, but for the most part media coverage is more neutral, and major figures within the democratic party have already been commenting on this and framing wall street as the bad guys (not just nuts like AOC, Warren has also gotten involved). So the media is unlikely to try and paint their allies as being on the same side as or duped by an evil right wing plot (not to mention the fact that such a narrative is beyond implausible).
that only works for so long, and its already starting to fail as a message.
People getting real sick of this shit.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
It's not that they 'own each other and the political parties,' it's that these are all done/run by a common class of people.
It's the tribe of the elite. They don't need to 'own each other' they're acting in their tribe's self-interest. There's a lot more to it than that, but I'm not interested in going into it at length just now. Thomas Sowell covers this stuff well in his talks about Vanguard ideology and Intellectuals.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Yes, but my worry is that many of them will just buy into the controlled opposition, and stop at backing the Republicans.
LindyAF
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I'd be pretty surprised if many populist inclined left-wingers went rightward over this and stopped at the establishment Republicans, since they're generally perceived as softer on wall street than anyone else, even the establishment left.
I think to the extent left-wing populism will be frustrated on this, it'll be being directed into a left-wing Populism Inc. which fails to accomplish anything, or which imposes regulations that actually hamper normal people more than wall street hedge funds.
I would point out that the WSB Reddit actually did acknowledge that it was indeed due to language violations. Their argument was that having an automated profanity filter should have been considered sufficient compliance, that they shouldn't be expected to moderate users who bypassed said profanity filter, and that Discord "did them dirty" by enforcing the terms of service instead of working with them.
LindyAF
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NYYRC holding a protest on Sunday against Wall Street market manipulation. Seem to be trying to get the word out with some e-celebs. Great for them!
(I'm not in New York so I don't know what the situation or the conservative activism scene is like there, and I won't be going to this, so take this as some rando thinking something is interesting from a surface glance, and if anyone here does plan to go please look into it more)
Selective enforcement of ToS or other rules is the oldest trick in the book for silencing people.
Hell it's literally a big reason why a lot of us are here, as I understand it.
(I'm not in New York so I don't know what the situation or the conservative activism scene is like there, and I won't be going to this, so take this as some rando thinking something is interesting from a surface glance, and if anyone here does plan to go please look into it more)
Selective enforcement of ToS or other rules is the oldest trick in the book for silencing people.
Hell it's literally a big reason why a lot of us are here, as I understand it.
Stealing from the Rich since the 11th century!
"We have a basic English profanity filter, you can't expect us to do any more to stop rules violations" is not really an acceptable answer, though. Even WSB's version of accounts portrays themselves as absurdly naïve, given that they're arguing that extreme content in a language other than English and/or using non-English characters was some amazingly out of the box behavior that they could not have possibly foreseen.
I think WSB was far too used to the very hands-off administration of Reddit in interacting with Discord, which is a lot more active in enforcing terms on high profile accounts. And I would point out that Discord is still pretty hands-off; they really are not Twitter.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The Gamers levelled up.
LindyAF
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While people seeking to evade bot censors is definitely something they could have foreseen, I'm not sure what you think they could have done to avoid it. There's not any banlist of words that a simple discord bot can use that's going to prevent an inventive human from saying something. Twitter doesn't manage it either, for the record, not even close. The only thing that I think can probably effectively censor on social media is both a human moderation team that's fairly large in proportion to the userbase and a userbase culture of familiarity with the rules and acceptance of them. It doesn't matter whether that acceptance comes from agreement or just acknowledgement that they're necessary to avoid the community getting wiped out, but it has to exist. But due to media coverage, I'm sure their discord userbase was exploding due to a controversial issue, and you just aren't going to be able to totally censor in that situation.
If Discord was not targeting WSB, they'd have worked with them, given them a timeline, and advised the moderation team on what they needed to bring their server into compliance with ToS. Straight up banning them is 100% selective enforcement.
ParadiseLost
Well-known member
We really need laws that make selective TOS enforcement illegal, just like it is for companies to selectively enforce rules among employees.
Selective enforcement of rules on the job isn't strictly speaking illegal; even in principle it only rises to the level of workplace discrimination when it goes beyond a certain point, and in practice it's even more difficult to actually prove.
Given the size of online entities relative to the amount of content, I'd say trying to police the enforcement of enforcement is very much tilting at windmills.
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