Super Allies vs Super Axis

[Scooby Doo]

In WWII the following changes happen in 1939 to make the Allies and Axis stronger

1. America is now Pre-War FO America in its Military Prime. (No nukes above one kiloton can be used because of space magic reasons)

2. The UK has access to Holy Britania Empire technology up to end of Season 1 Code Geas. The UK gets deposits of Sakuradite that is only found in their home nation and in Ireland. The UK will be able to build the Code Geas mechs if they can refine enough Sakuradite but the development of each HBE mech takes the same amount of man power and hours it would take for the production of a dozen tanks.

3. Russia becomes literally Command and Conquer Russia with all the wacky tech and units available. (With the exception of their orbital weapons for balance sake).

Vs

1. Uber Germany. Germany kicks off mass production for their Uber Project in 1939.

2. WWII Japan re-discovers and absorbs the Demon Slayer Corps into their ranks. Because of the greater resources available the Japanese army can field and train 1,000% more Demon Slayers than the Corps could normally do on its own, yes all the Hashira are available to the Japanese Military and more can get trained if enough time passes.

3. The population of Italy is replaced by the Dwemer from Elder Scrolls, every single Dwemer city is teleported into Italy and at the same time the Dwemer gain schematics for German firearms, artillery and tanks which they can apply to their machines. But no the Dwemer can't use their Morrowind WMD plot device weapon.

 

[ATP]

In WWII the following changes happen in 1939 to make the Allies and Axis stronger

1. America is now Pre-War FO America in its Military Prime. (No nukes above one kiloton can be used because of space magic reasons)

no knowledge here.

2. The UK has access to Holy Britania Empire technology up to end of Season 1 Code Geas. The UK gets deposits of Sakuradite that is only found in their home nation and in Ireland. The UK will be able to build the Code Geas mechs if they can refine enough Sakuradite but the development of each HBE mech takes the same amount of man power and hours it would take for the production of a dozen tanks.

Should win here.

3. Russia becomes literally Command and Conquer Russia with all the wacky tech and units available. (With the exception of their orbital weapons for balance sake).

soviets,not Russia.still not enough dakka for Ubers.

Vs

1. Uber Germany. Germany kicks off mass production for their Uber Project in 1939.

They,or England,would win.

2. WWII Japan re-discovers and absorbs the Demon Slayer Corps into their ranks. Because of the greater resources available the Japanese army can field and train 1,000% more Demon Slayers than the Corps could normally do on its own, yes all the Hashira are available to the Japanese Military and more can get trained if enough time passes.

No enough dakka.

3. The population of Italy is replaced by the Dwemer from Elder Scrolls, every single Dwemer city is teleported into Italy and at the same time the Dwemer gain schematics for German firearms, artillery and tanks which they can apply to their machines. But no the Dwemer can't use their Morrowind WMD plot device weapon.

No knowledge here.

From what i knew - England and Germany would partition world among themselves.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I feel sorry for Italy not having an Uber cool alternative Italy to boost them.

Poor Italians.

 

[ATP]

I feel sorry for Italy not having an Uber cool alternative Italy to boost them.

Poor Italians.

Italians always must suffer...when germans always get better toys.Such is nature of fanfictions,with few exceptions.I rememeber some old AH story when Italy win WW2 thanks to Mussolini inventing bazooka...forget both author and title,as usual.

P.S @Scooby Doo ,you forget about might of Romania,Bulgary and Hungary,not mention Finland! where are their superpowers?

And Allies,where are invincible legions of emu from Australia?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Italians always must suffer...when germans always get better toys.Such is nature of fanfictions,with few exceptions.I rememeber some old AH story when Italy win WW2 thanks to Mussolini inventing bazooka...forget both author and title,as usual.

P.S @Scooby Doo ,you forget about might of Romania,Bulgary and Hungary,not mention Finland! where are their superpowers?

And Allies,where are invincible legions of emu from Australia?

Well I'm just sticking to the big 3 of each side cause I couldn't think of any cool equivalents for all the others xD

And btw it's all three Allies and all three Axis fighting each other at once.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well I'm just sticking to the big 3 cause I couldn't think of any cool equivalents xD

And btw it's all three Allies and all three Axis fighting each other at once.

Yeah I wonder if there's some modern Roman Empire expy (not Destiny Rhinos). I'll have to look into it while formulating a proper response to this thread.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah I wonder if there's some modern Roman Empire expy (not Destiny Rhinos). I'll have to look into it while formulating a proper response to this thread.

You don't know who the Dwemer are huh?

 

[Husky_Khan]

I think the Allies have the advantage here. Demon Slayers and WW2 Tech Dwemer are all well and good but the main power here is a 1939 Germany with hundreds of Superhumans including a handful of their "Battleship" level Superhumans and it seems likely they'd have more of them since it's the beginning of the War and not 1945.

But most of the Ubers could likely be harmed by the increased lethality of weapons carried by Fallout America, Britannia and the Red Alert Soviets. While common infantry small arms might only be slightly more effective against them, they'll still be devastating against the rest of the Axis' traditional forces, especially since none of the three Axis Powers has significant technology advancements.

The Allies have lots of Mechs, Armored Vehicles, Artillery and Man Portable Heavy Weapons now however, and their Naval and Air Forces are even more deadly and will be even harder to counter with the Halo Effect ranged weaponry. And Night Time operations, thanks to advances in low light and nightvision fighting, means even during the Night Time, that the Uber backed Axis might not have as clear advantages as they would over their WW2 counterparts.

The main weakness of the Allies here's is Uber enhanced spiying which they used to sabotage the American Manhattan Project but was always written pretty munchy and poorly IMHO and I'd suppose the Soviets might be the most vulnerable to that. But I don't see it as something that would lead to a Soviet collapse or them to lose.

Overall I think the Allies have the advantage here. The Dwemer being living underground, would likely last the longest ironically. I don't see Japan with their uber hyper conditioned infantry lasting very long with how fanatical they are, and the Germans will still require a functioning state to support their offensives and later just supporting their Uber Project. But I think that Allied Firepower including its Air Force will be decisive in reducing Uber Germany to rubble after a hard fought campaign. The Dwemer meanwhile would take more time to just root out since they are underground and have some esoteric abilities and magical effects going on that would also be annoying to eventually find workarounds with.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think the Allies have the advantage here. Demon Slayers and WW2 Tech Dwemer are all well and good but the main power here is a 1939 Germany with hundreds of Superhumans including a handful of their "Battleship" level Superhumans and it seems likely they'd have more of them since it's the beginning of the War and not 1945.

But most of the Ubers could likely be harmed by the increased lethality of weapons carried by Fallout America, Britannia and the Red Alert Soviets. While common infantry small arms might only be slightly more effective against them, they'll still be devastating against the rest of the Axis' traditional forces, especially since none of the three Axis Powers has significant technology advancements.

The Allies have lots of Mechs, Armored Vehicles, Artillery and Man Portable Heavy Weapons now however, and their Naval and Air Forces are even more deadly and will be even harder to counter with the Halo Effect ranged weaponry. And Night Time operations, thanks to advances in low light and nightvision fighting, means even during the Night Time, that the Uber backed Axis might not have as clear advantages as they would over their WW2 counterparts.

The main weakness of the Allies here's is Uber enhanced spiying which they used to sabotage the American Manhattan Project but was always written pretty munchy and poorly IMHO and I'd suppose the Soviets might be the most vulnerable to that. But I don't see it as something that would lead to a Soviet collapse or them to lose.

Overall I think the Allies have the advantage here. The Dwemer being living underground, would likely last the longest ironically. I don't see Japan with their uber hyper conditioned infantry lasting very long with how fanatical they are, and the Germans will still require a functioning state to support their offensives and later just supporting their Uber Project. But I think that Allied Firepower including its Air Force will be decisive in reducing Uber Germany to rubble after a hard fought campaign. The Dwemer meanwhile would take more time to just root out since they are underground and have some esoteric abilities and magical effects going on that would also be annoying to eventually find workarounds with.

Imo I think that's a fair summarization but I feel like the Demon Slayer corps shouldn't be taken lightly due to their ridiculous speed, since it's 1939 it can make a difference in crippling the US Navy.

A few Hashira at Pearl Harbor would be pretty devastating for the FO Navy which can divert Fallout America's attention from Europe.

1:28

Bro just up and slaughters dozens of Superhumans before they can so much as process a thought, put these Hashira in the right places and they can do immense damage merely just sprinting across the sea and killing everyone aboard several Navy vessels would prove to be effective.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Imo I think that's a fair summarization but I feel like the Demon Slayer corps shouldn't be taken lightly due to their ridiculous speed, since it's 1939 it can make a difference in crippling the US Navy.

A few Hashira at Pearl Harbor would be pretty devastating for the FO Navy which can divert Fallout America's attention from Europe.

1:28

Bro just up and slaughters dozens of Superhumans before they can so much as process a thought, put these Hashira in the right places and they can do immense damage merely just sprinting across the sea and killing everyone aboard several Navy vessels would prove to be effective.

Yeah that's like standard anime speed though? There's so many cuts in the action and freeze frames that it's.... oh instantaneously death of twenty guys that you seen in lots of anime series I feel. And yet Demon Slayers are supposed to be extremely well conditioned Humans (by and large) so either they are in some realm of your typical Marvel Super Soldier, or they're running around like Diet Saiyans based off of that battle. If it's the latter then its a complete wash anyways. If they can slay a company of troops in the fraction of a time to process a thought, it's basically Comic Book speedster level then. I'm not even sure why I saw them doing anime running up a cobblestone rooftop or hear their footfalls on the ground, or why Talking Isn't Just a Free Action, but done at the same speed as combat is.

And even if they are just good enough to perform as you say.. then its just as devastating as the IRL Pearl Harbor. Japan still lost that War. Ultimately its really fast swordsmen and there's thousands of them. They're going to have to run across the ocean since Japanese WW2 Tech is markedly inferior to that of Fallout America (I'm assuming). Fallout America has carriers which have jets operate off of those carriers, and heavy bombers and nuclear submarines capable of launching ballistic missiles. Even if they can't use nukes, they can still bomb the Japanese back to the Stone Age and do so without an Island Hopping Campaign.

There's huge bodies of water to protect America.

The Soviet Union might be more distracted to be honest, since the Demon Slayers could run across the Kurils or the Siberian-Mongolian frontier I suppose. Soviets might have a tougher time since most of their infantry is just advanced normies. They don't have the Power Armor and Robots. But the Soviets along with their lots of tanks and Hind Gunships, do have anti-personnel mines and tesla towers which should whittle down the numbers of fanatical Japanese Demon Slayers.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah that's like standard anime speed though? There's so many cuts in the action and freeze frames that it's.... oh instantaneously death of twenty guys that you seen in lots of anime series I feel. And yet Demon Slayers are supposed to be extremely well conditioned Humans (by and large) so either they are in some realm of your typical Marvel Super Soldier, or they're running around like Diet Saiyans based off of that battle. If it's the latter then its a complete wash anyways. If they can slay a company of troops in the fraction of a time to process a thought, it's basically Comic Book speedster level then. I'm not even sure why I saw them doing anime running up a cobblestone rooftop or hear their footfalls on the ground, or why Talking Isn't Just a Free Action, but done at the same speed as combat is.

And even if they are just good enough to perform as you say.. then its just as devastating as the IRL Pearl Harbor. Japan still lost that War. Ultimately its really fast swordsmen and there's thousands of them. They're going to have to run across the ocean since Japanese WW2 Tech is markedly inferior to that of Fallout America (I'm assuming). Fallout America has carriers which have jets operate off of those carriers, and heavy bombers and nuclear submarines capable of launching ballistic missiles. Even if they can't use nukes, they can still bomb the Japanese back to the Stone Age and do so without an Island Hopping Campaign.

There's huge bodies of water to protect America.

The Soviet Union might be more distracted to be honest, since the Demon Slayers could run across the Kurils or the Siberian-Mongolian frontier I suppose. Soviets might have a tougher time since most of their infantry is just advanced normies. They don't have the Power Armor and Robots. But the Soviets along with their lots of tanks and Hind Gunships, do have anti-personnel mines and tesla towers which should whittle down the numbers of fanatical Japanese Demon Slayers.

Hmmm but let's also not forget that Uber Germany will have a lot more manpower so if they lend Japan a Humanoid Battleship they could probably destroy most of FO America's carriers which even with Modern industry will take several years or even a decade to replace. Germany got the range, durability and power but the Japanese infantry got the anime speedster like speed so if they do a joint operation even small one they could inflict outrageous losses against the allies.

Edit: So taking out just the carriers alone would substantially reduce the American force projection potentially allowing the Axis to conquer Europe before America could really do anything effective, even their air power is limited to aircraft launch pads.




And yeah I know it seems silly that Demon Slayer move at normal speeds (even though they got anime speed) but it's actually explained that the Demon Slayers use "Breathing Techniques" which gives them extended bursts of superhuman speed that can last between 10-30 seconds and they stop for a few moments just to preserve their stamina for longer battles cause fighting at peak strength for several hours (Which they can do) can leave them recovering for weeks.


We also have Dwemer Italy in play who have their own mechanized forces.

Which apparently implied to build stuff like this over the course of a day, Dwemer Metal is mind you even at the same volume of space several times the strength of steel, Dwemer armor is notoriously thick so they're gonna be walking tanks easily replaceable and mass produced.

 

[Bassoe]

I feel sorry for Italy not having an Uber cool alternative Italy to boost them.

Poor Italians.

Well I'm just sticking to the big 3 of each side cause I couldn't think of any cool equivalents for all the others xD

And btw it's all three Allies and all three Axis fighting each other at once.

Yeah I wonder if there's some modern Roman Empire expy (not Destiny Rhinos). I'll have to look into it while formulating a proper response to this thread.

The Papal States Intervention Force from Trench Crusade?

 

[Scooby Doo]

The Papal States Intervention Force from Trench Crusade?

I don't think anyone else but you have heard of that faction, is it from a book series?

 

[Zachowon]

I don't think anyone else but you have heard of that faction, is it from a book series?

It's a new 40k like series but dieselpunk/theologypunk.
Really cool series, everything right now is free except the STLs

 

[Blasterbot]

Also record holder for get woke go broke. they weren't even out of kickstarter yet and they went crazy about hating the chuds and right wing people and not wanting them to buy the game. when the majority of the people interested in it wanted a wargame that was grim dark and not made by GW to avoid the creeping wokeness and bad business practices.

 

[Zachowon]

Also record holder for get woke go broke. they weren't even out of kickstarter yet and they went crazy about hating the chuds and right wing people and not wanting them to buy the game. when the majority of the people interested in it wanted a wargame that was grim dark and not made by GW to avoid the creeping wokeness and bad business practices.

Apperently they went back on that

 

[Blasterbot]

Apperently they went back on that

I stopped paying attention after that. if it is still around in a few years maybe I'll care. I don't care to give money to people who hate me.

 

[Zachowon]

I stopped paying attention after that. if it is still around in a few years maybe I'll care. I don't care to give money to people who hate me.

I ain't giving them money.
Just got the core rules and lore bits free off the internet.
Still a fun read, but that's about it

 

[Scooby Doo]

Hmm just an update, the UK would have amazing mechanized Infantry but they'll be harder to replace and mass produce as I mentioned earlier it'd take a dozen times the equivalent of man power and time to build a tank of that era.

Even if they're building several simultaneously the UK only ever managed to build this many tanks throughout the entire war.
British armoured fighting vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia.

So really they'd only manage to produce a couple hundred per year unless America came over and established a couple factories to streamline the process OR if UK ships their engineers and Sakuradite to build the mechas in the USA which makes the ground campaign heavily in favor of the Axis until the UK is able to streamline the process.

Since UK really would be the only faction that could hurt the German super soldier advance while the Russians absorb the other half of the German offensive.

 

[Blasterbot]

I don't know how well fallout america is gonna work with the commies here. they are going to be a lot less supportive after a much longer harsher cold war.