Breaking News Secret tunnel discovered under NYC Synagogue

[TheRejectionist]

I get it!
Those pious Jewish youth were LARPing as the conqueror's of Jericho!
Science holds that marching around the city while making noise - the first instance of hard rock known to man - was a masterful maskirovka operation, drawing attention away from frenzied I am a Jew and I'm digging a hole! Diggy diggy hole! tunneling to collapse the walls!

Ok I wasn't expecting an Italian power metal song reference at all..

 

[Buba]

@TheRejectionist The "original" version or better - more original version, as it also is a cover - is the one linked in post #28 of this thread. Old People like me consider it to be the benchmark
The cover by Wind Rose is only the lastest version of this bouncy song.

 

[willdelve4beer]

well, tolkien did say that he based the Kazadim on large part on the Jews.

actually, lots of jewish analogues in LOTR - late era Numenor is basically a pharaonic Egypt expy (just note the name of the last numenorean king, if you don't believe me)

The flight of Elendil and the exile faithful can be considered a riff on the flight of the Jews from Egypt.

Honestly, as a fellow catholic, a bit disappointed that Tolkien didn't include more riffs on catholicism in the mythology he built. There is a ton of catholic thought and worldview, but the stand-ins are few and far between. Though one supposes it is not too unexpected, given that he was living under an explicitly anti-catholic regime.

 

[TheRejectionist]

@TheRejectionist The "original" version or better - more original version, as it also is a cover - is the one linked in post #28 of this thread. Old People like me consider it to be the benchmark
The cover by Wind Rose is only the lastest version of this bouncy song.

Last off topic but I am an "ex-metalhead"... I used to be much more introverted and less cheeky cheerful that I am today (matter of fact if you knew the stereotypes about the region and city where I live and hear speak me English you would never think I am from here) and I don't usually go into rabbit-holes of research for 90 per cent of songs unless they are so obvious like Macarena. So of course 'till know I was completely unaware the Italian version is a cover.

 

[Scottty]

For some folks everything is caused by commies, for others it is fascists, for yet others it is jews, for others it is the rich. For that one guy on history channel, it is always aliens. I guess for some folks child-abusers are the go-to touchstone for 'wierd stuff I can't logically explain yet'.

Of course this doesn't mean that nothing is caused by commies, or fascists, or rich people, or jews, or catholics, or the rich, or whatever (though I retain my doubts about aliens having any involvement on Earth beyond possibly the equivalent of drunk college kids on a road trip cow-tipping and barfing on the side of the highway). But folks do need to be more willing to tell themselves (and others) "I don't know what happened or why, I don't have enough hard, reliable, information to make that determination yet." It isn't as fun as acting 'in the know' on social media, but it would lead to a bit less pointless nonsense.

When people are assembling a puzzle, if you hand them more pieces their first impulse will be to try to fit those pieces in with the part of the picture that they've already figured out. So yes, someone who thinks that loads of evil stuff is being done around the world by the Jesuits, for example, or by the CIA, or by agents of the Chinese Communist Party, will see everything through those lenses.

If on the other hand the tunnel this thread is about was basically some sort of student prank, then that also raises questions: how many of them were involved? How long did it take them to make?
And most importantly: how were they able to get so far along with this without their activity being noticed?

@TheRejectionist The "original" version or better - more original version, as it also is a cover - is the one linked in post #28 of this thread. Old People like me consider it to be the benchmark
The cover by Wind Rose is only the lastest version of this bouncy song.

Having seen both, I much prefer the cartoon version, with it's long lines of marching Dwarves.

well, tolkien did say that he based the Kazadim on large part on the Jews.

No he didn't. Dwarves (along with Elves, Dragons, Trolls and Goblins) were a traditional part of the folklore of Northern European peoples long before JRRT's specific take on them. While he did reflect at one point that there were ways that Dwarves sort of resembled Jews, that was never the basis for them.
Their own name for their people in their own secret language is Khazad - that's the plural, no need to add a Hebraic plural-suffix - as reflected in the place-name Khazad-dum, in Common Speech the Dwarrowdelf.

After that unfortunate incident from digging too greedily and too deep, the Dwarves of the House of Durin became a wandering people, exiled from their ancient home, unable to settle anywhere for long and accumulate wealth without more unfortunate incidents following them. That does make them look a bit like Jews. I thought of that myself when first reading LoTR.

actually, lots of jewish analogues in LOTR - late era Numenor is basically a pharaonic Egypt expy (just note the name of the last numenorean king, if you don't believe me)

Atlantis, actually.
I see a fair deal of parallels with the modern USA, too.

The flight of Elendil and the exile faithful can be considered a riff on the flight of the Jews from Egypt.

Honestly, as a fellow catholic, a bit disappointed that Tolkien didn't include more riffs on catholicism in the mythology he built. There is a ton of catholic thought and worldview, but the stand-ins are few and far between. Though one supposes it is not too unexpected, given that he was living under an explicitly anti-catholic regime.

Well that wasn't what he had set out to do with LoTR or the underlying Silmarillion mythos. And I seriously question your assertion that the UK of the early 20th century was "explicitly anti-catholic".

 

[willdelve4beer]

Atlantis, actually.
I see a fair deal of parallels with the modern USA, too.



Well that wasn't what he had set out to do with LoTR or the underlying Silmarillion mythos. And I seriously question your assertion that the UK of the early 20th century was "explicitly anti-catholic".

RE: Numenor - Two words - Ar Pharazon.

Actually, by law the UK remains explicitly anti-catholic today. Most prominently, there is one religion which the royal family is forbidden to convert to currently. Guess which one? That they aren't as violently anti-catholic as they were in the past when Henry (Wifekiller) the 8th was looting monasteries between murdering wives, or when they were lynching priests and raping nuns, does not change the fact that under British law, today, catholics remain explicitly discriminated against.

 

[History Learner]

Good question. Here is another, how was a tunnel system built six months ago tied to someone (Epstein) who died in jail over a year ago?

The tunnel itself, no, but this group has been accused of sexual abuse extending back to the 1990s. That Rabbi that I posted about who called them out was from 2013; he was later attacked and nearly killed because of his public statements.

 

[TheRejectionist]

So for circumstantial evidence there is the case for further investigation, the fact that there are have allegedly been found bloody cribs and rags doesn't make it look good. It all seems they want the case to go away (which might happen)...too quickly.