Re-run: DBWI: No War in Siberia

raharris1973

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This is a re-run of an old DBWI thread from soc.history.what-if by the late Raymond Speer.

What would it have taken for the United States to elude our prolonged


and painful War in Siberia? That war ruined the presidency of Joe


Kennedy, 1961 to 1969, and blighted the single term of successor Barry


Goldwater. To this day, as tribute to the fallen of that failed war,


bright aluminum crosses laid along the sides of our interstate highways


commeorate the sixty thousand dead from that conflict.


Do we go as far back as the World War, when naval minister Winston


Churchill directed a surprise assault on the Turks by British ships and


Australian and New Zealand infantry? The Constantinople Campaign


effectively knocked Turkey out of the war. Unfortunately for Britain,


its Great Ally in the East, Tsarist Russia, was too inefficient a


government to bring rations and munitions timely and plentifully to the


front lines, no matter what Britain shipped to the Crimea.


Upon his credentials for success at Constantinople, Churchill was HH


Asquith's successor when that Prime Minister retired.


Using the open water lanes to Gibralter, through the Med, through the


Bosphorus and onshore at the Crimea and the Ukraine, Churchill backed


the Russian Military in the Civil War that followed Russia's surrender


to the Germans following the abdication and exile of the Tzar,


Nicholas/1,


In later years, there would be criticism that Prime Minister Churchill


lost perspective and withdrew too many soldiers from the West Front to


reinforce his operations in Russia Churchill was betrayed by the Sidney


Reilly regime in Moscow, which had used British aid in destroying the


radical socialist opposition /2, but had then sought a separate peace


with Germany.


It was Churchill's post war intrigue which split Russia into two --- the


Russian Empire west of the Urals and the Republic of Siberia. The


Kolchak regime collapsed in Siberia, fifty years later, brought down by


internal dissent and external pressure from Japan.


We inherited the mess in Siberia when we defeated the Japanese in the


Pacific War of 1938 to 1943. The United States kept the Alaskas and


Hawaii, and confiscated Japanese holdings on the mainland of Asia,


including Manchuria and Siberia.


And it was to Siberia that my generation was sent yet later. Although


the USA occupation was far less oppressive than the Japanese version,


the Siberians knew they were not free and had dreams of full


independence from the United States.


President Joe Kennedy, Jr., was fascinated by toughness --- winning


against the facts by sheer concentration and the recreational use of


certain drugs. Kennedy, adverse to any compromise by which the


Siberians could let us evacuate their country, clung to war regardless


of the losses in American lives and wealth. As I mentioned before , the


Siberian War was a net loss on our part and worse, it was stupid,


Notes of Explanation


/1. President Charles Evans Hughes offered the ex-Tsar sanctuary in


the USA. The Romanov family still resides in Virginia, USA eighty seven


years since the Romanovs went into exile.


/2 Freemasons in the United States adopted Russian fur hats and called


themselves Communist Soviets in civic lodges that sprang up throughout


America in the 1920s. As for the real Communists who actually served on


any worker' council (Soviet, in the Russian), they were not admitted


into the country. Vladmir Ulyanov (codename Lenin) was too ill to be


sent back to Europe. A victim of a stroke, Lenin would die in an


infirmary at Ellis Island, New York City.


"Better run thru the Tundra."


Plus all the war movies Kubrick, Stone, Coppola, et. al., shot in


Alaska and the Yukon back in the 80s.

Indeed, I was very impressed by the armoured train journey through Siberia


in "Apocalypse Now" - even if it was shot mostly in Canada in winter.

You know the alcoholism spike of the sixties was, in large part, due to


the proliferation of illegal stills in Siberia, and US troops on the


"tag" /1 having long days of tedium. And the heavy handed criminal


punishments dished out by the military in lieu of therapies did not help


a damn either.


There is a shelf of books from biographers like Dallek and diplomatic


historians like Vidal on Joe Kennedy and his administration of the


Siberian War. I've read most of them and I am still unsure of what Joe


meant to do at any particular time. He was super reluctant to be the


first US President to lose a war, but to many people he expressed a


willingness to get out even if the panslavs did not agree to an accord


with the generals in Port Arthur.


Frankly, he dithered while US casulaties passed 150 daily. All his


firebombings and tack nukes and security camps do not disguise the fact


that Kennedy ultimately had no exit strategy for Siberia other than


waiting for Solzhenitsyn to surrender. And no one seriously expected the


"mad monk" to do that.


As I wrote, it goes back to Churchill and the Constantinople Campaign.


History proved that Czar Nicholas was not up to saving monarchial rule


in a united Russia. Churchill set up Sidney Reilly as overlord of


Eurorus, and was surprised when that opportunist switched sides to the


Germans. And then Reilly lost Siberia to Kolchak's men, who were beaten


by Japan, who was in turn brought down by the United States. So the


whole situation could have been avoided but for Churchill's meddling in


Russian history.


Soviet Communism is now the public and comical face of freemasons in


the USA, but it was once a fairly popular movement, sort of like a


European Wobbly party.


Back when B. Traven and his Zapotistas ruled South Mexico, IIRC one of


the few visitors to that hermit kingdom was Koba, an Asiatic Georgian


who had quarreled with his first foreign host, Premier Mussolini of


Italy's Conservative Socialist Progressives, and later fled to that


weird little country. I read Koba's Memoirs --- and Jack Reed's _The


Revolution That Wasn't_ --- and concluded that maybe there might have


been something to that outfit, if they had been more ruthless towards


their opposition. (For an old but interesting book on the subject, read


Julius Rosenburg, _The Reds in Russia: 1905=1925_, first published in


1955.)


/1. "Tag" is short for "taiga."
 

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