United States Push for gun control at state level include bill from Pennsylvania Democrat to ban body armor

That same reasoning was used to enable the horrible 'war on drugs' against shit that had been legal for most of US history, and in cannibis's case was done to help papermakers who didn't want to compete with hemp-based documents, and all of fucking Prohibition, neither of which has had any positive outcomes.

Well, not exactly. The reasoning wasn't "we can ban this, so we will", it was justified in terms of the harms those substances caused (and the hemp paper thing is a myth/conspiracy theory). And Prohibition did have positive outcomes, it decreased alcohol consumption and alcohol related deaths and some alcohol driven crimes such as domestic violence (and created entirely new crimes in other areas, yes, but on a much smaller scale).

Do you seriously not get how you desire to be seen 'doing something' won't actually help anything, and will restrict the rights of innocent people just because of a slight fear that maybe a copycat shooter may try to buy some.

"Restricting rights" isn't bad. Public decency laws constrain people's right to dress how they choose, perhaps you'll be campaigning against them next?

The issue at play here is if a proposed regulation causes harm, and if so, to what degree in comparison to the good it does. Prohibition is a good example of this. Rught now, something like a hundred thousand people die because of alcohol consumption a year (meaning liver issues, DUI related deaths, etc), and an unknown but very, very high number of violent crimes are committed under the influence of alcohol, and in exchange we get.....what exactly? I feel like the cost/benifit is tilted pretty far in the "Carrie Nation Was Right" direction on that one.

Circling back to armor, I've suggested that some age related restrictions on level III and IV armor might have merit. Will it save hundred of lives? No, probably not, but it also won't carry a substantial cost either, given how niche an issue this is, and quite possibly i lt comes at no cost if there's a route left often for people that would other be blocked from buying armor to get an exemption.

I certainly could be wrong, but "it's immoral to restrict anything for any reason, you're just like those 1920s ladies that thought a hundred gangsters killing each other was better than a thousand drunkards killing themselves" is not really a compelling counterarguement.

Not like someone who is going to commit that sort of crime is going to care about violating the law to get what they want to carry it out.

I'm not sure about that, since each additional crime they commit prior to excuting thier plan makes it more likely they'll be caught and stopped before they can pull it off.

You're importing anti gun control arguements into a field where they don't apply. "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" is accurate because America has far too many guns floating about for any ban on them to have any hope of cutting criminals off from access to firearms, and because the utility of firearms for criminal purposes is strong to create a market for them. Those same factors do not apply to body armor.
 
You're importing anti gun control arguements into a field where they don't apply. "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" is accurate because America has far too many guns floating about for any ban on them to have any hope of cutting criminals off from access to firearms, and because the utility of firearms for criminal purposes is strong to create a market for them. Those same factors do not apply to body armor.
Did you just completely ignore what I said about how one can easily improvise body armor? You can make one out of phone books, phone books, and it'd actually preform decently against most handgun calibers.
 
Did you just completely ignore what I said about how one can easily improvise body armor? You can make one out of phone books, phone books, and it'd actually preform decently against most handgun calibers.


The North Hollywood Shootout is probably the most high profile shooting involving body armor, and the two shooters, Larry Eugene Phillips and Decebal Ștefan Emilian did wear light Type IIIA bulletproof vest, not all that different than what I myself wear, but the majority of their full body armor was homemade.
 
the majority of their full body armor was homemade.

Eh, sorta. It was homemade in the sense they used bulletproof vests to make armor for thier arms and legs, they didn't do the book armor thing Terthna is talking about.

Did you just completely ignore what I said about how one can easily improvise body armor? You can make one out of phone books, phone books, and it'd actually preform decently against most handgun calibers.

"Can" and "will" are different thinks. Yes, you might think to do that, but mass shooters aren't like you, they have a different goal and different thought process, and are much more prone to copycat one another than break the mold. The goal of wearing armor is not to protect themselves, it's to look like a cool antihero like some previous shooter.
 
"Can" and "will" are different thinks. Yes, you might think to do that, but mass shooters aren't like you, they have a different goal and different thought process, and are much more prone to copycat one another than break the mold. The goal of wearing armor is not to protect themselves, it's to look like a cool antihero like some previous shooter.

You know, it's absolutely astounding how much you know about how other people think based mostly or purely on nothing but your own speculation.
 
You know, it's absolutely astounding how much you know about how other people think based mostly or purely on nothing but your own speculation.

Actually, this is based on a common thread I've seen brought up repeatedly in commentary on mass shooters.
 
The police in america proved that they will not protect people during a riot. They will actively let the mob murder you, they will stand by and let small children get murdered. The social contract here has been ripped apart, we need weapons to defend ourselves because the police will not protect us.

Maybe its different in your country but we have to live in reality as it is.

I'm not denying your need for your personal protection.

Like I said, I can kinda see where the lawmaker want to go.

Not necessarily agreeing with it, just agreeing with the stated intention.

Like, when your hand got burned, some people licked the burn to cool it down. Not necessarily the right step, but I can kinda see the intention.

And yes, in the country I live in the condition is different, so I can't capture your perspective as the one that lived there. I'm just offering my perspective as an outside observer.

And also yes. We live in the reality as it is, not as it should be.
 

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