Poor countries are poor because of bad culture. Rich countries are rich because of superior culture. The Left cannot accept this.

Bear Ribs

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Sort of how like the Hittites had iron while everyone else was in the bronze age? That doesn't disprove my point, technological levels are inconsistent. The Indians were on the cusp of entering the bronze age, but failed to push forwards. We know that in Eurasia that the Bronze age by necessity required massive continent wide trade networks to get both copper and tin in the same place. It is very likely that cultures like the Aztecs becoming blockers to trade was what kept the Indians so primitive.
There were extensive copper mines around the great lakes, but the nearest point they could get tin to make bronze was in the southwestern states. Without animals to haul wagons of goods or a viable sea route they just couldn't make the two meet and start up a serious bronze age.

The lack of viable animals to use for anything really hosed the Native Americans as far as getting any industry off the ground.

As a curiosity, there were actually some tribes working iron, notably at Ozette they've found pre-Columbian iron tools in archeological digs. However, the current theory is that they weren't smelting it themselves, but got the iron from Japanese ships.
 

ATP

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There were extensive copper mines around the great lakes, but the nearest point they could get tin to make bronze was in the southwestern states. Without animals to haul wagons of goods or a viable sea route they just couldn't make the two meet and start up a serious bronze age.

The lack of viable animals to use for anything really hosed the Native Americans as far as getting any industry off the ground.

As a curiosity, there were actually some tribes working iron, notably at Ozette they've found pre-Columbian iron tools in archeological digs. However, the current theory is that they weren't smelting it themselves, but got the iron from Japanese ships.

Possible.Kuro-sivo is kind of sea road - everything which start near Japan would end in America after 2 month.
And about those copper mines - natives used them almost to the times when european come,and copper knives was still used there.
 

Scottty

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Possible.Kuro-sivo is kind of sea road - everything which start near Japan would end in America after 2 month.
And about those copper mines - natives used them almost to the times when european come,and copper knives was still used there.

Now I wonder if mining is something that different peoples developed independently, or knowledge that they brought with them when they first migrated into those regions.
 

ATP

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Now I wonder if mining is something that different peoples developed independently, or knowledge that they brought with them when they first migrated into those regions.

Considering that it need complicated society,i would say that it must be developed independently.

Althought...i read some book about stone-age sea people culture which ,thank to lover level od seas,was capable of making ports on every continent,which would explain why many cultures have similar things.And since all their ports are under sea now,there is no proofs for that.

Maybe true,maybe no.Even if they are under sea,we should find it - if it ever existed.
 
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Simonbob

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Considering that it need complicated society,i would say that it must be developed independently.

Althought...i read some book about stone-age sea people culture which ,thank to lover level od seas,was capable of making ports on every continent,which would explain why many cultures have similar things.And since all their ports are under sea now,there is no proofs for that.

Maybe true,maybe no.Even if they are under sea,we should find it - if it ever existed.

Humanity did spread through out the world sometime, somehow.
 
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