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So, why did he not turn said list over to the FBI or the police so they could investigate them?
Because the FBI is comprised of seditious traitors and always has been? Look at what they did to the Weaver family or anyone who is a right winger with a spicy take of late. They were founded by a closet homosexual who had a penchant for little boys and shemales and was known to use the Bureau as a dumping ground for the men he pumped and dumped and the women whose silence he needed to buy. It has existed, since its inception and in other incarnations as the policy arm of the progressive animal or the dysfunctional sex pest. One need only look at Robert Mueller and James Comey for examples of that, both of them framed people for political clout. One of them was high on cocaine during an interview where he justified his attempts to intimidate a sitting congressman by attack his crippled daughter by saying "Disabled people run a criminal cartel in the United States and it's quite pervasive".
 

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He went a step further and argued Senator McCarthy's actions were making the attempt to root out communist infiltration look so bad that it was handing the malicious actors the perfect shield from scrutiny.
Something I agree with. McCarthy was one of the worst things that ever happened to US politics, simply because of the poisoned legacy he left.
 

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Something I agree with. McCarthy was one of the worst things that ever happened to US politics, simply because of the poisoned legacy he left.
He handed the left a shield.

He was the boy who cried wolf
No, he's the one asshole in the room everyone should listen too but because everyone triggers at his tone they don't and then history vindicates him over the bones of his detractors.
 

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None of these depictions of McCarthy are historically accurate, from the modest reading I've done.

McCarthy wanted a private, closed investigation of Communists in the state department. The Democrats compelled him to publicly release the list, then crucified him for it.

It's literally just another case of leftist media control and propaganda.
 

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None of these depictions of McCarthy are historically accurate, from the modest reading I've done.

McCarthy wanted a private, closed investigation of Communists in the state department. The Democrats compelled him to publicly release the list, then crucified him for it.

It's literally just another case of leftist media control and propaganda.
The list didn't exist. He basically got caught bragging one time to a Republican Women's Club that he had a list. He knew, like most, that communists existed in the State Department, but he had no idea who, like most people not investigating the matter. So as part of his diatribe to constituents, he goes off scripts slightly and claims he has a list of X number of known Communists in the State department, brandishing a piece of paper.

But this ended up basically going viral, that McCarthy had a list, and people believed him. He wasn't planning on doing anything with this list, this wasn't some great crusade, instead it was like The Big Lie. Once he started lying, he felt the only way out was through, so he tried to find communists, quickly grabbing the Lee report as a starting point, then exaggerating the facts in that.

Why do we know he was a fake? First, the number of people on it kept changing. Second, he was a known liar, having lied and exaggerated about his war exploits. Third, he was shocked that the media picked up on this, and basically acted unprepared at the beginning, while he was scrambling to come up with a believable story, which he compounded with more lies (i.e. the origin of the list wasn't from a state department official, but a 3 year old report by Robert E. Lee, an FBI agent.

But the Lee list wasn't even full of communists! Sure, there were security vulnerabilities in it, and I'm in no way shaming Lee for what he did, as extramarital affairs and drunkeness are definite security vulnerabilities that can be exploited, but they also aren't card carrying communists.

So yeah, I despise McCarthy, his idiocy led to anticommunism being a joke for years.
 

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None of these depictions of McCarthy are historically accurate, from the modest reading I've done.
It was 2 things. Tailgunner Joe was a known alcoholic and had serious emotional problems and with that in mind he was also prone to wild hyperbole and very intense rages. Ike basically thought he was a bad front man for the hunt against infiltrators because his mental scars and his habit made him look like a degenerate. Which is why the Democrats forced him into the open, the optics of someone with those problems conducting such an inquest were and are terrible. The other thing is that he browbeat a guy people were under the mistaken impression of being some kind of great world war two era hero. Look at how Disney and Reagan handled communist infiltration of the SAG and the animation industry and the immense crater they left that set the infiltration game back about two decades and compare that with what they backed Joe into. He was the wrong man for the job essentially. Mind ye, Nixon calling him controlled opposition was both brilliant and incredibly mean spirited and probably contributed to his early death. It didn't help that some of Joe's staunchest allies were also homosexual men whose orientation was an open secret. People need to be cognizant of the times this occurred in and how a chronically depressed lush with gay attack dogs looked back then. Hell, it would look bad right now, albeit for different reasons.
 

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"What is common to the greatest number gets the least amount of care. People pay most attention to what is their own: they care less for what is common; or, at any rate, they care for it only to the extent to which each is individually concerned. Even when there is no other cause for inattention, people are more prone to neglect their duty when they think that another attending to it . . ."

- Aristotle.
 

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"There will be no separate peace between Israel and the Arab world. I want to make that very clear with all of you. I've heard several prominent politicians in Israel sometimes saying, 'Well, the Arab world is in a different place now. We just have to reach out to them. We can work some things with the Arab world and we'll deal with the Palestinians.' No. No, no, and no."

"I can tell you that, reaffirmed within the last week because I've talked to the leaders of the Arab community, there will be no advanced and separate peace with the Arab world without the Palestinian process and Palestinian peace. Everybody needs to understand that. That is a hard reality."


- Former Secretary of State and Current Climate Change Czar John Kerry in 2016



"Everyone who takes a flight between Israel and any of these countries becomes an Ambassador for the Abraham Accords, it just shows that all the old thinking about what was possible was past its time."

- Some Dude Named Jared Kushner in 2020
 

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George Orwell in a 1944 piece titled "What is Fascism?"

George Orwell said:
Of all the unanswered questions of our time, perhaps the most important is: ‘What is Fascism?’

One of the social survey organizations in America recently asked this question of a hundred different people, and got answers ranging from ‘pure democracy’ to ‘pure diabolism’. In this country if you ask the average thinking person to define Fascism, he usually answers by pointing to the German and Italian régimes. But this is very unsatisfactory, because even the major Fascist states differ from one another a good deal in structure and ideology.

It is not easy, for instance, to fit Germany and Japan into the same framework, and it is even harder with some of the small states which are describable as Fascist. It is usually assumed, for instance, that Fascism is inherently warlike, that it thrives in an atmosphere of war hysteria and can only solve its economic problems by means of war preparation or foreign conquests. But clearly this is not true of, say, Portugal or the various South American dictatorships. Or again, antisemitism is supposed to be one of the distinguishing marks of Fascism; but some Fascist movements are not antisemitic. Learned controversies, reverberating for years on end in American magazines, have not even been able to determine whether or not Fascism is a form of capitalism. But still, when we apply the term ‘Fascism’ to Germany or Japan or Mussolini's Italy, we know broadly what we mean. It is in internal politics that this word has lost the last vestige of meaning. For if you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people — certainly no political party or organized body of any kind — which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years. Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term ‘Fascist’. I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words ‘Fascist in sympathy’, or ‘of Fascist tendency’, or just plain ‘Fascist’, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:

Conservatives: All Conservatives, appeasers or anti-appeasers, are held to be subjectively pro-Fascist. British rule in India and the Colonies is held to be indistinguishable from Nazism. Organizations of what one might call a patriotic and traditional type are labelled crypto-Fascist or ‘Fascist-minded’. Examples are the Boy Scouts, the Metropolitan Police, M.I.5, the British Legion. Key phrase: ‘The public schools are breeding-grounds of Fascism’.

Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930-35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.

Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet régimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a ‘Fascist country’. Again from a different angle this is echoed by Anarchists and Trotskyists.

Trotskyists: Communists charge the Trotskyists proper, i.e. Trotsky's own organization, with being a crypto-Fascist organization in Nazi pay. This was widely believed on the Left during the Popular Front period. In their ultra-Right phases the Communists tend to apply the same accusation to all factions to the Left of themselves, e.g. Common Wealth or the I.L.P.

Catholics: Outside its own ranks, the Catholic Church is almost universally regarded as pro-Fascist, both objectively and subjectively;

War resisters: Pacifists and others who are anti-war are frequently accused not only of making things easier for the Axis, but of becoming tinged with pro-Fascist feeling.

Supporters of the war: War resisters usually base their case on the claim that British imperialism is worse than Nazism, and tend to apply the term ‘Fascist’ to anyone who wishes for a military victory. The supporters of the People's Convention came near to claiming that willingness to resist a Nazi invasion was a sign of Fascist sympathies. The Home Guard was denounced as a Fascist organization as soon as it appeared. In addition, the whole of the Left tends to equate militarism with Fascism. Politically conscious private soldiers nearly always refer to their officers as ‘Fascist-minded’ or ‘natural Fascists’. Battle-schools, spit and polish, saluting of officers are all considered conducive to Fascism. Before the war, joining the Territorials was regarded as a sign of Fascist tendencies. Conscription and a professional army are both denounced as Fascist phenomena.

Nationalists: Nationalism is universally regarded as inherently Fascist, but this is held only to apply to such national movements as the speaker happens to disapprove of. Arab nationalism, Polish nationalism, Finnish nationalism, the Indian Congress Party, the Muslim League, Zionism, and the I.R.A. are all described as Fascist but not by the same people.

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.


Source: George Orwell: What is Fascism?
 

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When equality is treated not as a medicine or a safety-gadget, but as an ideal, we begin to breed that stunted and envious sort of mind which hates all superiority. That mind is the special disease of democracy, as cruelty and servility are the special diseases of privileged societies. It will kill us all if it grows unchecked.
- C. S. Lewis
 

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"Homosexuality, dope, immorality generally — these are the enemies of strong societies. The upper class of San Francisco is that way.. It's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time — it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I don’t even want to shake hands with anybody from San Francisco. Decorators. They’ve got to do something ... but goddamn it we don’t have to glorify it.”

- President Richard "Dick" Nixon on San Francisco and the secretive Bohemian Grove. Recorded in 1971.
 
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