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Plausible PoDs for a Republican Victory in the Spanish Civil War

TheRomanSlayer

Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
It is often on various alternate history websites that the question of what if the Republicans won the Spanish Civil War often pops up, but the main problem is that there isn't any kind of PoD for this to happen. Another thing is that one of the TL ideas that I had is a neutral Fascist Italy that mostly kept to itself and its Balkan puppets, while the rest of Europe are divided into capitalist and communist blocs. It also goes well with a more northward Soviet political expansion as well.

The main problem for a potential Republican victory in the Spanish Civil War is that the mostly professional crack troops of the Spanish military (all three branches) have mostly sided with the Nationalists, forcing the Spanish Republic to rely on its workers to arm themselves and train. While the International Brigades did provide sufficient help for the Republican cause, as well as Soviet military aid to the Spanish Republic, ultimately aid from Germany and Italy tipped the scales in favor of Franco, leading to Spain falling under fascism and would not democratize until 1975, when Franco died.

So what are the most plausible PoDs for the Republicans to win the Spanish Civil War? I could think of a few, but here goes:

1) Leon Blum does not win the 1936 French legislative election: Not sure how this would be accomplished, but from one of Monsieur Z's video on what if Franco lost, there was a chance that France would have intervened in the Spanish Civil War on the Republican side, had Leon Blum actually got what he wished. However, there were fears that if Blum did just that, he'd be deposed by a right-wing coup. Let's say someone else won the 1936 French election (Daladier from the PRV or Louis Marin from the RF, or even Pierre Etienne Flandin from the Democratic Alliance). Would a moderate minded French leader be limited to how willing are they to intervene in the Spanish Civil War?

2) The Spanish Army of Africa Airlift Goes Terribly Wrong: Not sure how this might work, but given that the Soviets gave aid to the Spanish Republic, I would also assume that it might also include anti-aircraft cannons that would be powerful enough to shoot down the German-piloted planes that were carrying the Spanish Army of Africa from Morocco. Had the airlift gone wrong for the Nationalists, it might have a significant consequence, as the Nationalists might not have enough troops to counter the Republican forces.

3) The Republican government Supports the Independence of Spanish Morocco: This is also a very risky move, should the Republicans do this. Though it is quite logical, as inciting rebellion within Spanish Morocco against Franco and the Nationalists might force the Nationalists to keep an eye on the rebellious part of Spanish Morocco, long enough for the Republican forces to gain much needed ground. However, this also carries the risks of triggering a war with France, who also ruled the other half of Morocco as well. Ironically enough, the Republican government and Mussolini's Fascist regime might be united by the common cause of taking bites out of France's African colonies (Spain attempting to unite its portion of Morocco with French Morocco, and Italy attempting to grab Tunisia).
 

WolfBear

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What about having Hitler and the Nazis not come to power in Germany? Would that help?

Also, what effects would Spain keeping Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines after 1898 if there is no Spanish-American War due to no USS Maine explosion have on this?
 

TheRomanSlayer

Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
What about having Hitler and the Nazis not come to power in Germany? Would that help?

Also, what effects would Spain keeping Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines after 1898 if there is no Spanish-American War due to no USS Maine explosion have on this?
Possible, although I would need a 1936 PoD, so that we could have a three way Cold War. However, a three way Cold War might also work.

And 1898 is far too early.
 

WolfBear

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Possible, although I would need a 1936 PoD, so that we could have a three way Cold War. However, a three way Cold War might also work.

And 1898 is far too early.

I have an idea: Have Hitler back Franco much more aggressively than he did in real life. Then, have the French and specifically their hawks decide that Hitler needs to be taught a good lesson in Spain so that he does not cause trouble elsewhere. So, France decides to militarily intervene in Spain to help the Spanish Republicans, ultimately tipping the war in their favor.

There--how does that sound?
 

TheRomanSlayer

Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
I have an idea: Have Hitler back Franco much more aggressively than he did in real life. Then, have the French and specifically their hawks decide that Hitler needs to be taught a good lesson in Spain so that he does not cause trouble elsewhere. So, France decides to militarily intervene in Spain to help the Spanish Republicans, ultimately tipping the war in their favor.

There--how does that sound?
I wonder if this might require the Nazis giving more than just transport planes. How about actual volunteers that are actual Wehrmacht soldiers in disguise?
 

WolfBear

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I wonder if this might require the Nazis giving more than just transport planes. How about actual volunteers that are actual Wehrmacht soldiers in disguise?

That might work here, I suppose. Hitler could view this as helping an ideological fellow traveler, after all.
 

TheRomanSlayer

Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
That might work here, I suppose. Hitler could view this as helping an ideological fellow traveler, after all.
And if that ends with France intervening on the Republican side, they might actually notify the British of possible German violations of the Treaty of Versailles, which by this time has already been violated beyond repair.
 

Buba

A total creep
Franco's Spain was not "fascist".
For the patriots to lose, have bad weather prevent the airlift and some of the expressions of civil disobedience to be speedily crushed by the freedom hating Madrid Clique.
Or traditional French intervention ...
Britain could not be arsed to react to the militarisation of the Rheinland, it will not to events in Spain.
 
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ATP

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Franco's Spain was not "fascist".
For the patriots to lose, have bad weather prevent the airlift and part of the expressions of civil disobedience to be crushed by the freedom hating Madrid Clique. Or French intervention ...
Britain could not be arsed to react to the militarisation of the Rheinland, it will not do anything.

After cyvil war Hitler regretted that he supported Franco,becouse Spain reds was closer to him then spanish patriots.
So,what if Legion Condor supported reds? they would win.

What next - Red Spain would help attack France in 1940.And,in 1941,they would attack germans.What next? Hitler never take so much of soviet territory,lost war earlier,soviet Europe,unhappy ending.

And,becouse Europe had colonies,soviet Africa and most of Asia,too.Additional 500.000.000 victims of communism?
 

WolfBear

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After cyvil war Hitler regretted that he supported Franco,becouse Spain reds was closer to him then spanish patriots.
So,what if Legion Condor supported reds? they would win.

What next - Red Spain would help attack France in 1940.And,in 1941,they would attack germans.What next? Hitler never take so much of soviet territory,lost war earlier,soviet Europe,unhappy ending.

And,becouse Europe had colonies,soviet Africa and most of Asia,too.Additional 500.000.000 victims of communism?

It would be suicidal for Red Spain to attack the Nazis in 1941. More likely it simply remains neutral.
 

TheRomanSlayer

Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
A Republican Spain would still remain neutral, just like its OTL Nationalist counterpart. Only difference is that Republican Spain might actually become one of the founding members of the UN.
 

ATP

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It would be suicidal for Red Spain to attack the Nazis in 1941. More likely it simply remains neutral.

They would be Sralin bitches,when they order them attack Hitler,they would do so.Besides,red Spain in OTL get 350 soviet tanks and about 1000 planes - now it would be much more.
Maybe even more tanks then Wermacht had.
 

Buba

A total creep
Possible.
With more troops bogged down in Abissynia and the whole affair being an even greater money sink, Italian Internationalist Assistance should be smaller.
 

ATP

Well-known member
Possible.
With more troops bogged down in Abissynia and the whole affair being an even greater money sink, Italian Internationalist Assistance should be smaller.

Indeed,but still not enough for reds to win - Hitler would support Franco.We must remove german support,too.
Or- if Sralin to decide more tanks and planes with more soviet soldiers to use them.
 

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