Philosophy of living thread

Duke Nukem

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A thread to talk about philosophy of society.

I made this since the Complaining about other forums thread was getting off topic.
 
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So I’ll be the first to say I live by/believe an eclectic mix of philosophical ideas.

I run the spectrum of idealist-pragmatist-utilitarian. As well as being an avowed pessimist. And cynic.

But I am not a skeptic.

Also to start the thread off, philosophy matters. It isn’t just one’s individual worldview but it shapes ideologies, people’s spoken and unspoken ideas as to how the world works, how human beings work. And so on.

Everyone has philosophical ideas, but philosophy gives people a vocabulary to express what they believe, and what they do not.

But that’s just me throwing my hat in the ring.
 

Terthna

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I highly doubt there are many practitioners of Stoic philosophy in the modern world, I also highly doubt that you can prove the majority of the ones that exist were trying to be emotionless automatons denying their problems.

You’re starting to sound a bit like Realm honestly.

“I don’t care to have an accurate understanding of the thing I’m criticizing. Hoes mad? Deal with it!”
There aren't many practitioners of any philosophy period throughout history; most people never think about why they think the way they do. Heck; most people don't think period. They just regurgitate what somebody else told them to believe without question. I'm not really criticizing Stoicism itself, but rather human nature.
 
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I think the problem is that human nature gravitates towards the herd instinct. People find solace, meaning, comfort, security, and safety in believing and acting in the way their group does.

That is why for example, leaving one’s religion is psychologically painful in the extreme, or joining another one in opposition to one’s “herd”.

People all have a mixture of things they take as true, even if they don’t or can’t express them.

For example a common belief people might subconsciously hold is the notion that they are immortal, or that bad things can’t happen to them. Or say, their parents attitudes on this subject were right or wrong because it was their parent’s attitude.

Not because the subject itself has ever received any scrutiny from them.

Philosophy at its highest level aims to allow individuals to make their own decisions, and come to their own conclusions. Any “philosophy” that tells people what to think is not a philosophy, it’s a dogma.

Human behavior I think is really not inclined to the serious practice of philosophy. And that is what makes it so important. Because philosophy imposes demands against human inclinations and default behavior.
 

Terthna

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Most of my understanding of philosophy is from a historical perspective; which is why I focused so much on how it's actually practiced (or rather, not practiced; beyond surface-level interpretations) by the majority. I would appreciate, however, any recommendations people might have for more in-depth research into particular philosophies.
 

StormEagle

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Most of my understanding of philosophy is from a historical perspective; which is why I focused so much on how it's actually practiced (or rather, not practiced; beyond surface-level interpretations) by the majority. I would appreciate, however, any recommendations people might have for more in-depth research into particular philosophies.

For the Stoics I’ll quote what I said to @Hlaalu Agent:

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and On the Shortness of Life by Seneca are a good introduction to Stoicism.

Discourses and Selected writings by Epictetus is also a good book but is a little more preachy than either of the above.

Letters from a Stoic by, again, Seneca is also decent from what I remember of it.

For Discourses and Letters I’d recommend the Penguin translations, while I’d recommend the Gregory Hays translation for Meditations.

These are the main four I can think of off the top of my head, though it’s been years since I’ve read any of them. I lost my paperback copies, and haven’t picked up an electronic one yet. I have been meaning to by a new copy of Meditations, as it was the best of the lot from what I remember of them.

On the flip side is one of the other most influential philosophy of the Roman period, Epicureanism.

In Epicureanism, the pursuit of pleasure and avoidance of pain are of paramount importance and both are necessary for a happy life. In that way, Epicureanism is a hedonistic philosophy but it differs from other such philosophy in that it advocates for a simple life.

“Accustom yourself to the belief that death is of no concern to us, since all good and evil lie in sensation and sensation ends with death. Therefore the true belief that death is nothing to us makes a mortal life happy, not by adding to it an infinite time, but by taking away the desire for immortality. For there is no reason why the man who is thoroughly assured that there is nothing to fear in death should find anything to fear in life. So, too, he is foolish who says that he fears death, not because it will be painful when it comes, but because the anticipation of it is painful; for that which is no burden when it is present gives pain to no purpose when it is anticipated. Death, the most dreaded of evils, is therefore of no concern to us; for while we exist death is not present, and when death is present we no longer exist. It is therefore nothing either to the living or to the dead since it is not present to the living, and the dead no longer are.” -Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus

“It is better for you to be free of fear lying upon a pallet, than to have a golden couch and a rich table and be full of trouble.” -Epicurus.

Epicureanism is ultimately an atheistic materialist philosophy rooted in what mankind understands of the natural laws of the universe. It concerns itself less with the acquisition of wealth or other physical pleasures and more with the pleasures of the mind and the abandonment of fear or worry.

An epicurean is thus less concerned with acquiring physical objects than with making good friends and living a joyful life as free as he can make himself. What matters to an epicurean is that you aren’t hungry, thirsty, or cold. What you are eating, drinking, or taking shelter in matters less than how much comfort you take in it.

On the Nature of the Universe by Lucretius would be a good start.

I personally find the dynamic between Epicureanism and Stoicism fascinating.
 

Arch Dornan

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The owner of a certain forum in one of his mad at the internet videos talked of some saying of how to live is to suffer or some shit. Something by Nietzsche or a Buddhist?
 

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