Philosophy Personal Confession – How a Socialist Democrat Became a Traditionalist Monarchist

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
I was not certain whether I should post this here, but what the hell... it is philosophy, after all, even if it is personal one. So without further ado...

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When I was young, I was very definitely Leftist. I completely agreed that large international corporations are the source of ultimate evil. I disliked George Bush Jr for his interventionism abroad. I believed that Military-Industrial Complex is out of control. Overall, I agreed in most things with your average Democrat, and with the Democratic Party as such.

Now for the punchline: I still agree with all of the above. What differs is my understanding of the problems, as well as my response to them.

Back then, I believed that the state – government – has to be the one to put the end to it. Laws have to be made to punish corrupt cronies, government has to oversee the corporations and to regulate the market.

But as time passed, I realized that the above is wrong. Centralizing more power in hands of the government is not the answer, because government is much more likely to help the corporations than to attack them (else who will pay for the election campaign?). More power in hands of the government does nothing to counter corporations – instead, it acts as a bait that only draws them closer in.

And even if corporations are somehow restricted, doing so would merely replace one problem (unaccountable corporations) with another (unaccountable government). While as a Leftist I believed that the problem lied in the nature of power – namely, in corporate power – now I realize that the problem is in accumulation of power – that is, in centralization of authority. Human nature does not change, nor does the type of person who seeks power. What does change is how much they can do with it.

As such, I no longer believe that more governmental control is the answer. After all, large corporations – which should be the main target – can easily bypass said control, and even if they get caught by some happenstance, they can easily afford to pay off penalties. All that government control achieves is to restrict, penalize and even destroy the small and medium business, which should form the basis of the healthy economy.

Instead, corporations have to be prevented from growing too large. And this requires not centralization, but rather decentralization of power. National autarky instead of international dependency, localized businesses, and localized government with only limited influence of national government and no influence of international structures of power. A system, in other words, that is most similar to the municipal system of the Roman Republic, as opposed to the centralized system of the Roman Empire or the Soviet Union. Even beyond that, government should be restricted in its ability to influence the society.

But restriction in the extent and powers of the government has automatic implications for the society as a whole. No longer would people be able to rely on the nanny state to do everything for them. In fact, even influence of laws would be minimized. And the only way to replace government and its laws is with the organic structures of power – structures of power and social rules that are natural outgrowth of the society and its development. In other words, tradition.

But if government as such has little influnce in day-to-day life, then democracy makes no sense. Elected government, no matter its source (typically fraudelent elections, which Left is so fond of – look at the “elections” in Yugoslavia in 1945, or any elections at all in Croatia, Serbia, BiH...), imagines that it has the “mandate of the people” – and thus can do anything it likes to the people. It is ironic that democratic government is much more likely to turn authoritharian than a traditional premodern monarchy – and, due to greater extent of the state apparatus, it is also much more capable in doing so. But it is true.

And so I became a monarchist.

Now to be clear, my support for the monarchy does not mean that I support any type of monarchy. Absolute monarchy is out of the question. My personal ideal is a federal / confederate monarchy with significant influence of individual regions, provinces and even cities and towns. Something similar to Holy Roman Empire, in other words, rather than Louis XIV’s France. Latter did everything modern government does, by concentrating political and economic power in his hands and awarding it to his cronies. But a “democratic” government is due to its nature and, ironically, distribution of power, both much more opaque and more difficult to restrict.
 
I'll simply ask this

If your idea is perfect and indestructible, where is holy roman empire?

How do you keep humans from being humans when there is no magical spear to smite those who are against you morality. Tradition? People buck those, Balance? people circumvent it. morality? two people can be moral so long as one is dead.

your idea works great on paper....just like every other government in existance. but how do you plan on implementing this and what do you hope to gain by doing so?
 
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Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
and again how do you plan on implementing it and what do you hope to gain? Talk is air without action

Figure out what is the smallest functional unit in a modern society, and then give it the greatest practical freedoms. Ideally, each political unit from municipality up would be able to have full authority in its own internal affairs, while the unit above it would regulate relationships with other units of its level. State as such would be focused primarily outwards: that is, foreign policy and defense.

EDIT: As for what I hope to gain? Reliability, responsibility and adaptability in response to problems.
 
and again how do you plan on implementing it and what do you hope to gain? Talk is air without action

are you going to run for office? Move to some place in the wilderness and found your own kingdom? or are you here to vent?
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
I am here to vent. Matter of the fact is, if you are going to do anything - especially in a democracy - you need to build up a support base. Which means brainwashing people. So unless some major catastrophe happens, doing anything is nearly impossible.

I would like to implement it, yes. But that would mean reforming European Union, and then Croatia... seeing how I am not a multi-billionaire, it sounds like an impossibility. So the best I can hope for is to educate people: be it by writing a blog, sending articles to newspapers and so on.
 
I am here to vent. Matter of the fact is, if you are going to do anything - especially in a democracy - you need to build up a support base. Which means brainwashing people. So unless some major catastrophe happens, doing anything is nearly impossible.

I would like to implement it, yes. But that would mean reforming European Union, and then Croatia... seeing how I am not a multi-billionaire, it sounds like an impossibility. So the best I can hope for is to educate people: be it by writing a blog, sending articles to newspapers and so on.

well I'm an anarchist so let's hope we never have to meet each other on the battlefield since we are clearly sworn enemies. I fight for the right to fight. while you fight for peace.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
well I'm an anarchist so let's hope we never have to meet each other on the battlefield since we are clearly sworn enemies. I fight for the right to fight. while you fight for peace.

Modern anarchists just destroy crap instead of building anything. But if you look at the original definition of anarchism - "sceptical of authority and rejects all involuntary, coercive forms of hierarchy" - my ideas are actually quite similar to it, just not as extreme. Anarchists believe in no government; I believe in limited government. Anarchists believe in absolute freedom and removal of state, I believe in subsidiarity, freedom with responsibility and strict limitation of the state. And so on.

In fact:
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Similar to. But maybe better model would be Roman Republic, but with monarchy instead.

But the Republic only existed in the first place because the House of Romulus became weak and degenerate? The Republic then died in its ashes, more virile and ambitious men and women consolidated power. A Monarchy can become inferior and dysgenic just as swiftly as a democracy can.

edit- A monarchy is only as healthy as its last set of rulers and as robust as its peasantry. A Democracy is never healthy as most humans aren't even worthy of the electricity their heart generates let alone the ability to impose their will on the world. Republics are only as healthy as the healthiest and most fit of its citizenry. At any moment in any time, any of those methods of government can become bloated, sick and unworthy of life. Cycling through them is the healthiest form of human development.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
But the Republic only existed in the first place because the House of Romulus became weak and degenerate? The Republic then died in its ashes, more virile and ambitious men and women consolidated power. A Monarchy can become inferior and dysgenic just as swiftly as a democracy can.

What I meant was in terms of municipal rights. Not in terms of the central government. In fact, "government" of the Roman Republic was just government of Rome itself, and all other cities had their own governments, but were beholden to Rome through various treatises. So changing Roman government from republic to monarchy or even absolutist dictatorship would not have affected them in the slightest - which is my point.

edit- A monarchy is only as healthy as its last set of rulers and as robust as its peasantry. A Democracy is never healthy as most humans aren't even worthy of the electricity their heart generates let alone the ability to impose their will on the world. Republics are only as healthy as the healthiest and most fit of its citizenry. At any moment in any time, any of those methods of government can become bloated, sick and unworthy of life. Cycling through them is the healthiest form of human development.

Precisely. Which is why non-absolutist monarchy is better, as local governments will want to limit influence of the central government, instead of being its extension or, alternatively, trying to use central government to push their agenda.
 
Precisely. Which is why non-absolutist monarchy is better, as local governments will want to limit influence of the central government, instead of being its extension or, alternatively, trying to use central government to push their agenda.


why a monarch then at all? Why use a symbol that's been associated throughout history as one of centralization if that's not what you're wanting, why not some other symbol of authority or better yet none at all. Just tell local governments they are on their own.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
why a monarch then at all? Why use a symbol that's been associated throughout history as one of centralization if that's not what you're wanting, why not some other symbol of authority or better yet none at all. Just tell local governments they are on their own.

Because increase in size (and capability) of central government promotes political centralization, and increase in centralization promotes growth in government. A monarch is basically the minimum of government possible. Now, as far as decision-making goes, it might be possible (with modern technology) to have local governmental representatives vote on national issues directly - no need for a Parliament or stuff, just have online meetings and count the votes. But it was not so in the past, and even today, such a setup would be difficult (and depending on how it is done, might enable IT companies to basically take over the government). Also, having a monarch as a symbol for a nation and a moderating influence in politics is still useful - someone who is not affected by voting, who can look past the short-term chase for election results.
 

Yinko

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A monarch is basically the minimum of government possible.
That is basically Janusz Korwin-Mikke's argument from what I remember. The idea uses the same basic premise as the "top-down economy cannot run everything because small groups are worse at controlling large systems than large groups" criticism of Socialism and uses it as the core of a small-government argument. Using monarchs are a way of restricting the potential growth of government because they are intrinsically limited to the multi-tasking potential of a single human mind.

Of course, the idea requires a lot of caveats, most of what @Aldarion has already mentioned, such as having the goal of the monarchy be international affairs and defense, and having the regional governments take care of most of their own affairs.

The focus on the smallest possible socially stable unit as the emphasis of maximal political autonomy and the way in which that can be used to build up a stable political system is also the basis for Hans-Hermann Hoppe's ideas, where he essentially says that the pre-Absolutist aristocratic system provided the greatest agency for the greatest percentage of society, as well as the greatest earning potential for the given industry and resources available. He then goes on to say that the problems caused by democracy are a natural consequence of Absolute monarchy, due to Absolutist monarchs relying on intellectuals to justify their rule under the guise of justice and fair rule. However, the next logical step of a system like this, that is effectively just an absolute bureaucracy with a monarch in charge of it, is to remove the monarch and leave the absolute bureaucracy.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
The focus on the smallest possible socially stable unit as the emphasis of maximal political autonomy and the way in which that can be used to build up a stable political system is also the basis for Hans-Hermann Hoppe's ideas, where he essentially says that the pre-Absolutist aristocratic system provided the greatest agency for the greatest percentage of society, as well as the greatest earning potential for the given industry and resources available. He then goes on to say that the problems caused by democracy are a natural consequence of Absolute monarchy, due to Absolutist monarchs relying on intellectuals to justify their rule under the guise of justice and fair rule. However, the next logical step of a system like this, that is effectively just an absolute bureaucracy with a monarch in charge of it, is to remove the monarch and leave the absolute bureaucracy.

Is that "Democracy - The God That Failed" book, or he wrote another one I am unaware of (though TBF, I haven't yet even read this one)?
 

Yinko

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Is that "Democracy - The God That Failed" book, or he wrote another one I am unaware of (though TBF, I haven't yet even read this one)?
That one, sure, but it's also part of his core thesis so it shows up a lot.
 

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