Pacific Hermitage - a refuge for battered nations -the teleportation of Ireland and Korea

[raharris1973]

1531 - Just before Henry VIII sends the expedition to Ireland to crush the revolt of the Earl of Kildare, Ireland disappears, teleported to the northern Pacific, around the western end of the Aleutian island chain.

How does Europe develop with Ireland simply vanished?

How does Ireland develop in isolation from Europe for the next two centuries, with its only neighbors, the Inuit and Chuckchi?

In the same world, whatever sensation the vanishing of Ireland created in Europe is hardly noticed in Asia, at least by Asians. It hasn't made an impression by 61 years later, 1592. Hideyoshi is about to launch his grand project of conquering Korea and then China and then maybe India and then maybe Persia and then he'll see.

But his fleets report back that Korea is gone. Where land was expected, there is only open sea.

At the same time, Koreans are disturbed by the disappearance of China and its replacement by open water. Within a few weeks they notice that Tsushima is nowhere to be found. Korea is in the central Pacific north and west of the Hawaiian island chain. It is a land alone, without any neighbors it knows.

How does East Asia develop without Korea, and how does Korea develop in isolation from the wider world until the late 18th century British or European exploration of the Pacific. Korea may meet some new neighbors in that time, maybe some Hawaiians, maybe even Irishmen, but Korea finds itself on the one hand left alone and uninvaded, but on the other hand lacking in trading partners and outside sources of supply.

Map:
Ireland and Korea are at the respective western and eastern "ends of the earth" in this map.

 

[raharris1973]

@Chiron -

I know you were highly interested when I posted a somewhat similar scenario about Japan being teleported centuries ago to the mid-Pacific, even though we ended up disagreeing on the consequences. - I thought you might be interested in this one.

Your thoughts @stevep @Buba

 

[Buba]

England (Great Britain) has a smaller economy and is thus weaker but ... no revolting Irish means no draw on resources. Hence probably a wash.
Ireland is relatively quickly "discovered" by the Spanish - it'd be on the return leg of the Manila Galeon route and joins the Spanish Empire. So, 1570? Or maybe minimally sooner, as the Irish would reach out to find other Europeans and run into the Spanish in Mexico.
The Irish and Old English overrun the Pale and Irishify it. English language is gone inside 2-3 generations.
The Irish could colonise "Oregon" and "Californias". Fuck you, USA
Of course, no USA at all is possible. Maybe not even a BNA on steroids ...
No Russians south of Alaska. Maybe not in Alaska, even.

Korea? Hermit kingdom? Nobody notices its lack - the Chinese Imperial Treasury and Foreign Offices aside. It is in the middle of the North Pacific gyre and goes undiscovered until the late XVIIIth century. Internal development as in OTL?

 

[raharris1973]

Korea? Hermit kingdom? Nobody notices its lack - the Chinese Imperial Treasury and Foreign Offices aside. It is in the middle of the North Pacific gyre and goes undiscovered until the late XVIIIth century. Internal development as in OTL?

Hideyoshi does - no stepping stone to invade on the way to China. He gets to try to invade a Chinese coast direct, and probably gets a superior Ming fleet to wreck his inferior Japanese fleet and cut off his hyper aggressive army.

Korea will notice not having its neighbors.

But Korea and Hawaii can easily find each other.

 

[ATP]

1531 - Just before Henry VIII sends the expedition to Ireland to crush the revolt of the Earl of Kildare, Ireland disappears, teleported to the northern Pacific, around the western end of the Aleutian island chain.

How does Europe develop with Ireland simply vanished?

How does Ireland develop in isolation from Europe for the next two centuries, with its only neighbors, the Inuit and Chuckchi?

In the same world, whatever sensation the vanishing of Ireland created in Europe is hardly noticed in Asia, at least by Asians. It hasn't made an impression by 61 years later, 1592. Hideyoshi is about to launch his grand project of conquering Korea and then China and then maybe India and then maybe Persia and then he'll see.

But his fleets report back that Korea is gone. Where land was expected, there is only open sea.

At the same time, Koreans are disturbed by the disappearance of China and its replacement by open water. Within a few weeks they notice that Tsushima is nowhere to be found. Korea is in the central Pacific north and west of the Hawaiian island chain. It is a land alone, without any neighbors it knows.

How does East Asia develop without Korea, and how does Korea develop in isolation from the wider world until the late 18th century British or European exploration of the Pacific. Korea may meet some new neighbors in that time, maybe some Hawaiians, maybe even Irishmen, but Korea finds itself on the one hand left alone and uninvaded, but on the other hand lacking in trading partners and outside sources of supply.

Map:
Ireland and Korea are at the respective western and eastern "ends of the earth" in this map.

Irish Oregon and Canada.Maybe more.Nobody would made them colony like in OTL.
Korea - nothing change till 19th century,then somebody would conqer them.

 

[WolfBear]

A food-related question for this ATL: Any chance of the Koreans and/or Irish adopting some Pacific Ocean foods, such as Pacific salmon, into their diets on a regular basis in this TL?

 

[raharris1973]

A food-related question for this ATL: Any chance of the Koreans and/or Irish adopting some Pacific Ocean foods, such as Pacific salmon, into their diets on a regular basis in this TL?

Irish definitely. And they may have some familiarity since their Scottish neighbors had salmon.

For the Koreans, I am not sure if mid Pacific Ocean was a salmon habitat or supported the freshwater part of their life cycle. If it was in the pre contact Hawaiian diet, it should end up in the Korean diet before long I’d think.

 

[WolfBear]

Irish definitely. And they may have some familiarity since their Scottish neighbors had salmon.

For the Koreans, I am not sure if mid Pacific Ocean was a salmon habitat or supported the freshwater part of their life cycle. If it was in the pre contact Hawaiian diet, it should end up in the Korean diet before long I’d think.

A salmon and potatoes Irish diet sounds great. What else can be added to it, other than alcohol?

 

[Buba]

Oh, yes, outsushying the Japanese is important!

 

[WolfBear]

Oh, yes, outsushying the Japanese is important!

Korean sushi actually does exist:

Easy Kimbap (Korean Sushi Roll)

A popular Korean picnic food - Easy kimbap (Korean sushi roll) recipe! Bite sized little rice and vegetable goodies are savory, nutty and delicious!

mykoreankitchen.com

In this TL, it can also include salmon.