DirtbagLeft
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@FriedCFour
Race both does and does not exist. Race does not exist in any real or meaningful sense. What does exist is haplogroups which are kinda sorta but not really at all the same thing as race. The definition of race relies heavily on description of physical characteristics which may or may not come from the same genetic code. As an example (and I am going to need to dig up the name in the near future) there were white Japanese when the Europeans discovered Japan. Until very recently it was thought that a lost European culture traveled to Japan in the distant past. What we learned recently through genetic testing was that they bore no relation to Europeans at all. Rather the superficial features developed independently in an entirely different haplogroup.
The claim that Africans will always have more peak representation in many sports is patently false. As much as I am opposed to such a program we could begin a breading program that could match or surpass African athletes. And not just African Athletes of today. If Haplogroup R1B began a eugenics program and haplogroup L0-6 and M1 did not R1B would surpass L's and M1. If both began a eugenics program then they would reach parity based on the limitation of physics. As to genetic heritability and intelligence this does not mean what people seem to either fear it means or hope it means. High heritability implies no link between genetics and the trait. Just like there is no "piano gene" there is no "smart gene". Rather intelligence is genetic structurally. What this means in simple terms is that the genes determine the structure of the brain but have no direct link between intelligence and particular genes or sets of genes. Genes alone however do not determine intelligence but rather it is genes with a combination of nutrition and other external factors.
Critical Thinking and intelligence
Interestingly however there is a difference between critical thinking and intelligence and a lack of development of critical thinking skills has a larger negative impact than lower IQ. While measuring the ability to engage in abstract thinking is useful, abstract thinking is less useful than the ability to reason well. While it is fallaciously believed that IQ measures the latter it actually only measures the former. CTT or CRT (Critical Reasoning Test) seems to be a higher indicator of success and the ability to make good choices.
Haplogroups and Traits
No one denies the existence of genetic variation within haplogroups, or that these genetic variations are causal to physical differences or minor variations. While we have found causality between genes and Hair, eye color etc, there at this time appears to be no causal link to between genetics and IQ although there does seem to be some correlative link mostly linked to the structure and operation of the brain which is in part genetically determined. There also seems to be an over emphasis on physical brain size with a disregard to the proportional size of the brain which appears to have a more substantial relation to both IQ and Critical Reasoning both within and without humans.
Haplogroups are distinct allele frequencies that appear within given populations and allow for the tracking of ancestry. Because of parallel evolution the colloquial term "race" is both inadequate and useless when speaking of biology.
... I think racial differences are extremely clearly existent so the idea that it doesn’t exist is silly, but ultimately everyone possesses the same rights by virtue of being a human, and I’m married to a non-white immigrant so I don’t really hate either of those two things.
...To me it’s obvious. Africans will always have more peak representation in many sports because they are better physically on average as one example, and so their peaks tend to be higher than others. Same with Samoans. Hell even down to weird random shit like ear wax it’s significantly different as I discovered with my wife. We can obviously acknowledge that a chihuahua is different from a pit bull. I don’t understand why it’s so taboo to the say the same of people.
Race both does and does not exist. Race does not exist in any real or meaningful sense. What does exist is haplogroups which are kinda sorta but not really at all the same thing as race. The definition of race relies heavily on description of physical characteristics which may or may not come from the same genetic code. As an example (and I am going to need to dig up the name in the near future) there were white Japanese when the Europeans discovered Japan. Until very recently it was thought that a lost European culture traveled to Japan in the distant past. What we learned recently through genetic testing was that they bore no relation to Europeans at all. Rather the superficial features developed independently in an entirely different haplogroup.
The claim that Africans will always have more peak representation in many sports is patently false. As much as I am opposed to such a program we could begin a breading program that could match or surpass African athletes. And not just African Athletes of today. If Haplogroup R1B began a eugenics program and haplogroup L0-6 and M1 did not R1B would surpass L's and M1. If both began a eugenics program then they would reach parity based on the limitation of physics. As to genetic heritability and intelligence this does not mean what people seem to either fear it means or hope it means. High heritability implies no link between genetics and the trait. Just like there is no "piano gene" there is no "smart gene". Rather intelligence is genetic structurally. What this means in simple terms is that the genes determine the structure of the brain but have no direct link between intelligence and particular genes or sets of genes. Genes alone however do not determine intelligence but rather it is genes with a combination of nutrition and other external factors.
Critical Thinking and intelligence
Interestingly however there is a difference between critical thinking and intelligence and a lack of development of critical thinking skills has a larger negative impact than lower IQ. While measuring the ability to engage in abstract thinking is useful, abstract thinking is less useful than the ability to reason well. While it is fallaciously believed that IQ measures the latter it actually only measures the former. CTT or CRT (Critical Reasoning Test) seems to be a higher indicator of success and the ability to make good choices.
Haplogroups and Traits
No one denies the existence of genetic variation within haplogroups, or that these genetic variations are causal to physical differences or minor variations. While we have found causality between genes and Hair, eye color etc, there at this time appears to be no causal link to between genetics and IQ although there does seem to be some correlative link mostly linked to the structure and operation of the brain which is in part genetically determined. There also seems to be an over emphasis on physical brain size with a disregard to the proportional size of the brain which appears to have a more substantial relation to both IQ and Critical Reasoning both within and without humans.
Haplogroups are distinct allele frequencies that appear within given populations and allow for the tracking of ancestry. Because of parallel evolution the colloquial term "race" is both inadequate and useless when speaking of biology.