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LifeisTiresome

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even if Judaism is in need of a massive reformation, it doesn't really changed that many of the so called redpilled aren't part of the solution. They have completely lost the plot and have moved the goal post so sharply they are going in the other direction. First they said we have to go back to our christian roots, now they are saying "No no no christanity is too Jewish. We need to go back to the pagan roots of out ancestors."

Guess I'm too jewish now even though i'm a Lilly White protestant that probably has less jewish blood in him than most of these ethno nationalist

point is They are devolving and they are devolving fast and frankly I don't trust them anymore than I trust the communist. Admittedly watching the Redpilled Right steadily devolve since gamergate has been a depressing yet cautionary experience.
What you mean Judaism? Do you means Jews or the religion? The people who made these shows? All likely liberal and liberals don't tend to be religious.

As for redpilled side? You have to be specific about who are you talking about. The Redpilled side is a mess of different groups who don't like what the left are doing or don't like the state of society. None of this means they all agree.

You have as you said, the one's who want a return to Christian roots. They are called Christcucks or pawns of the Jews by Atheists Polacks or Pagan Polacks. Pagan Polacks are called Larpers by the Christians.

These people are looking for a way to reverse the damage that is Leftism and Globalism and they have different thoughts about how to do that. You have those that call to go back to Christianity and then you have those that say that Christianity is to be blamed for the decline for one reason or another like Christianity too embraces universalism/globalism also preached by leftists and current mainstream Christian Churches support leftism anyway and thus why you have those who call to return to paganism.

Well, that video didn’t last long did it? 😒
I really shouldn't be surprised. A shame I couldn't back it up.

it was a picture of a medival european king with a dark skined persumably black queen. considering it's supposed to be passing as historically accurate, it's Cringe worthy if your a historical perservationist and blasphmous if your a white ethno-nationalist or white supremacist.
Its more then pictures. Its basically POL or does who believe the same trying to prove that all these shows which are made for propaganda btw were made by Jews and that there is a Jewish conspiracy.

POL has it right that these shows are propaganda. Why do you think the left are so insistent to make all shows spout their values while taking down anything they deem problematic?

As always with the left, its a case of projection, they and only they can be allowed propaganda while its not called propaganda but anything not leftism but the same is called out as propaganda and thus bad.
 
What you mean Judaism? Do you means Jews or the religion? The people who made these shows? All likely liberal and liberals don't tend to be religious.

All of the above, though again, admited protastant so you can probably get a good idea of my views on the Jewish religion.

As for redpilled side? You have to be specific about who are you talking about. The Redpilled side is a mess of different groups who don't like what the left are doing or don't like the state of society. None of this means they all agree.

probably should have been more specific and say the the so called skeptic community Sargon of Akkad, Kraut and Tea, Dave Cullen (computer forever) amazing Atheist, Ect. Sargon became a parody of himself Chris Ray Gun became an SJW lite though at least he's softer about it, Computing Forever became something akin to a paranoid conspiracy theorist, ect.

Edit: this video explains things better than I can right now:

You have as you said, the one's who want a return to Christian roots. They are called Christcucks or pawns of the Jews by Atheists Polacks or Pagan Polacks. Pagan Polacks are called Larpers by the Christians.

These people are looking for a way to reverse the damage that is Leftism and Globalism and they have different thoughts about how to do that. You have those that call to go back to Christianity and then you have those that say that Christianity is to be blamed for the decline for one reason or another like Christianity too embraces universalism/globalism also preached by leftists and current mainstream Christian Churches support leftism anyway and thus why you have those who call to return to paganism.


which is again why I argue the right needs to be better defined. I'm not one for purity test but we have to have more than a share of an enemy in common. The redpiil has gone from red (Anti-progressive) to black (nithilist) to white (Christian nationalist) and now it's looking awfully light egg shell blue. (Neo-Nazi white ethnonationalist)
 
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LordsFire

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All of the above, though again, admited protastant so you can probably get a good idea of my views on the Jewish religion.



probably should have been more specific and say the the so called skeptic community Sargon of Akkad, Kraut and Tea, Dave Cullen (computer forever) amazing Atheist, Ect. Sargon became a parody of himself Chris Ray Gun became an SJW lite though at least he's softer about it, Computing Forever became something akin to a paranoid conspiracy theorist, ect.

Edit: this video explains things better than I can right now:




which is again why I argue the right needs to be better defined. I'm not one for purity test but we have to have more than a share of an enemy in common. The redpiil has gone from red (Anti-progressive) to black (nithilist) to white (Christian nationalist) and now it's looking awfully light egg shell blue. (Neo-Nazi white ethnonationalist)


...No, this is really just you and your perceptions. And, to be fair, perceptions that some others on the internet share.

There are more red-pilled people out there now, and a few more black-pilled as well. 'Christian nationalist' is functionally a nonsensical term (or perhaps to be generous to you, you meant something other than what you ended up typing), and neo-nazi white ethnonationalists are still functionally extinct outside of the miniscule rump of the 'Aryan Nation' and such orgs, and /Pol.

The 'red-pilled' is the only social movement with enough weight behind it to be meaningful, with the 'black-pilled' being something of a tagalong barely substantial enough to be relevant, as people who over-correct away from the 'blue pill' go there instead of red-pilling. There's a lot more to the world than the blogosphere/twitter/Youtuber crowd.

And even in that, Sargon isn't a parody of himself. He's been doing an impressive job of learning and deepening his understanding of the world around him, some just through reading and observing, some through failing and then getting back up and moving on (like with his experiments with IRL politics). As expected, learning about things that are actually real has had him creeping steadily more to the right, but by and large his core principles haven't changed. I can't really speak to the other youtube personalities, because I either never followed them or don't do so enough to know where they're at now.


In real life, at least in the USA, there's a political realignment going on, something that is being exacerbated by the lockdown pushing so many people into a personal pressure cooker, with internet echo-chambers being their primary outlet.

If you move from one echo-chamber to another, or even just from one isolated community to another, you can end up with drastically different pictures of what reality is like.
 
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I personally find Anti Semitism as a political program to be unproductive in the extreme. Simply screaming “the Joos” doesn’t actually solve people’s problems.

It doesn’t deal with the cultural or economic decay or the fucked up nature of our society.

Even if you believe with all your heart, that the Jews are the root from which all our problems spring(and that is the foundation of Anti Semitism on the far right)-those problems don’t go away when the Jews do.

Unless you want to conduct some Neo Nazi global race war.

Even a total global Nazi/Neo Nazi/White supremacist victory worldwide. would not ensure the regeneration of our society, or a move to true sanity.

I do think however, that acknowledging Jewish influence on our society, for good and ill, is a healthy and productive conversation to have.

If we can’t have that conversation beyond “any criticism of the Jews no matter how honest or forthright is evil Anti Semitism” and “Hunt down the last of Satan’s spawn”-then something is truly wrong with the sort of choices of political discussion we are able to even imagine. Because neither of those two options actually allows for a productive discussion.
 

Cherico

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I personally find Anti Semitism as a political program to be unproductive in the extreme. Simply screaming “the Joos” doesn’t actually solve people’s problems.

It doesn’t deal with the cultural or economic decay or the fucked up nature of our society.

Even if you believe with all your heart, that the Jews are the root from which all our problems spring(and that is the foundation of Anti Semitism on the far right)-those problems don’t go away when the Jews do.

Unless you want to conduct some Neo Nazi global race war.

Even a total global Nazi/Neo Nazi/White supremacist victory worldwide. would not ensure the regeneration of our society, or a move to true sanity.

I do think however, that acknowledging Jewish influence on our society, for good and ill, is a healthy and productive conversation to have.

If we can’t have that conversation beyond “any criticism of the Jews no matter how honest or forthright is evil Anti Semitism” and “Hunt down the last of Satan’s spawn”-then something is truly wrong with the sort of choices of political discussion we are able to even imagine. Because neither of those two options actually allows for a productive discussion.


what is there to say we are a middle man minority lots of people like us all over the world.

Like any group of people some of us are good, some of us are assholes and most of us are just people trying to get by.


As for society as a whole, a lot of the issms we have or had during the 20th century came out of the utopian movments, there was this idea that human nature was prefectable, that we were clean slates that just needed proper guidance to create a new man.

This went poorly.

The problem with the left as a whole is that their for social experimentation but are not willing to do some thing that is critical to success in any experiement and that's admitting when an experiment fails that means admitting when some thing doesn't work. I feel that a lot of the problems we have is the lefts sunk cost falicy.

You do need people who try new things and experiement but in order for that to work you need to be able to admit failure and stop the experiement and try some thing else. There is too much pride in the left, they have made their cause into a personal religion and that just makes for bad governance.

The experiement has failed its time to pull the plug and either go back to a more sustatainable model or try some thing new but what we are doing isn't working.
 

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I do think however, that acknowledging Jewish influence on our society, for good and ill, is a healthy and productive conversation to have.
I acknowledge it.
Like any group of people some of us are good, some of us are assholes and most of us are just people trying to get by.
The Rothschilds is one of the most astounding Jews that I ever saw to influence Europe with their banking money.
 

Cherico

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Or, and I'm just throwing this out here, we could accept capitalism is currently the best possible solution and we don't need to create mountaims of corpses everytime a basement dwelling moron creates a new idiotic form of regime-building.

One of the reasons I look forward to space travel is that we will be able to tell said morons to try it out on some oniel cylinder before imposing their bullshit on everyone else.
 

LordsFire

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Or, and I'm just throwing this out here, we could accept capitalism is currently the best possible solution and we don't need to create mountaims of corpses everytime a basement dwelling moron creates a new idiotic form of regime-building.

One of the main reasons utopian movements are so pernicious, is because for the vast majority of adherents, it is not and was never about trying to bring about a better society. That's just the claim, something that only a very few people actually believe in.

For the overwhelming, it's about wanting to see themselves as the bold pioneers of a brighter future, about thinking themselves as transcendant luminaries who will forge the better tomorrow that all the plebeians around them lack the with and will to create.

It's about self-satisfaction and elitism, not about actually accomplishing an outcome. The reason such people refuse to admit error or change course, is because as long as they get to talk down to you and be lauded for how enlightened they are, the actual primary purpose of their ideology is being fulfilled.

We can know that this is the case, by the evidence of their actions and how heavily those actions clash with the claims of their words.
 

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One of the main reasons utopian movements are so pernicious, is because for the vast majority of adherents, it is not and was never about trying to bring about a better society. That's just the claim, something that only a very few people actually believe in.

For the overwhelming, it's about wanting to see themselves as the bold pioneers of a brighter future, about thinking themselves as transcendant luminaries who will forge the better tomorrow that all the plebeians around them lack the with and will to create.

It's about self-satisfaction and elitism, not about actually accomplishing an outcome. The reason such people refuse to admit error or change course, is because as long as they get to talk down to you and be lauded for how enlightened they are, the actual primary purpose of their ideology is being fulfilled.

We can know that this is the case, by the evidence of their actions and how heavily those actions clash with the claims of their words.
Yeah that is true. I once got into a debate with a White Nationalist about them creating their own Whites Only Utopia in the US. I asked them straight out. What about people in the area you want that don't want to move. They would say we would pay them to move. I then asked but what if they don't want to move. They kept going back to the talking point. This went on for a few minutes ending with him saying we would make them move by force. I just said and you think you are the good guys and ended the conversation.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
For the overwhelming, it's about wanting to see themselves as the bold pioneers of a brighter future, about thinking themselves as transcendant luminaries who will forge the better tomorrow that all the plebeians around them lack the with and will to create.
They're born too late for that when much of earth is already mapped out but their descendants could do that when space colonisation starts.
 

LordsFire

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They're born too late for that when much of earth is already mapped out but their descendants could do that when space colonisation starts.

Oh heavens no, the majority of these kind of people wouldn't dare to do something so dangerous and difficult. There's doubtless a few genuine explorer-types in the crowd, but without a frontier like that to readily go explore, they'll likely stay with the indolent elitist dreamers.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Oh heavens no, the majority of these kind of people wouldn't dare to do something so dangerous and difficult. There's doubtless a few genuine explorer-types in the crowd, but without a frontier like that to readily go explore, they'll likely stay with the indolent elitist dreamers.
Like I said they're born in the wrong time. In the age of explorers they could be persucuted or lured by dreams of owning their own land they'd take the long trek to a foreign land to make their own civilisation.
 
Like I said they're born in the wrong time. In the age of explorers they could be persucuted or lured by dreams of owning their own land they'd take the long trek to a foreign land to make their own civilisation.


I think you give them too much credit. Most likley had they lived during this time they would have been the city folk mocking them for not having strong roots.
 

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