Shipmaster Sane
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The people should protect the state and their values.
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Philosophy National Socialism: Far Right or Far Left
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LordsFire
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Conservatives see capitalism as an economic system, not an ethical system. Capitalism can be used for good or for ill, unlike socialism, which pretty nearly purely accomplishes ill. This is part of why Trump was pointing out that Biden supports socialism.
The solution to capitalism being abused by toxic ideologues is to engage them in the arena of ideas, and possibly do some boycotting if it's a viable tactic in the given situation. Also, we need to gut academia as that's behind a lot of this nonsense, but that's an issue for somewhere else.
KilroywasNOTHere
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Modern "Conservatives" I'm finding are just as lazy and narcissistic leftest as their SJW counterparts they just dwell in romanticism as opposed to utipion thought. Ones waiting for their false messiah to bring about the Federation while the other is waiting for their false messiah to bring about the new Camelot.
the fact is you want to change the world and your standing, you got to put your nose grindstone to the and work for it, to quote draft punk, work it harder make it better do it faster become stronger
the fact is you want to change the world and your standing, you got to put your nose grindstone to the and work for it, to quote draft punk, work it harder make it better do it faster become stronger
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Fleiur
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Just what do you believe then? What are you fighting for and how will you accomplish it?
KilroywasNOTHere
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Societal? nothing. kings and nations change with the wind, there is no golden age, nothing is perfect, nothing is nirvana, nothing last forever. if you want to impose your view of the world and be part of the elite, you have two ways to go ab out it. 1 be born into it or 2. work ruthlessly to get their.
You're talking to someone who belives that at some point reality itself will be undone and all that will be left is judgment a judgment that doesin't care about whether we helped create a 10,000 year empire or a golden city on the hill, but rather judge us on what we've done behind closed doors and the people we've helped along the way,
Me and my own, I want to be the best person I can be both physically and spirtually. by shooting for the moon I'll at least aim amoung the stars. If I fail then heck at least I can say I lived.
Fleiur
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But you can't withdraw from society. Even early Christians reached out to the Romans. It would be sinful not to make your voice heard.
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National Socialists are far right.
The far left is internationalist by nature.
The Nazis were definitely not.
en.wikipedia.org
National Socialist policy on women^
Does that seem far left to anyone?
Nazi policy on economics was mixed-and varied from practice. In theory, business was to be subordinated to state interests. Though private property was not attacked because of it being private property.
Nazi attitudes on communism-communism was a Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. A war against the European peoples. They did not sing the Internationale and had no truck with those that did.
The Nazis emphasized blood, race, and soil.
They were not cosmopolitan.
They rejected western liberalism(free markets, democracy, parliamentary politics), and Marxism.
The far left is internationalist by nature.
The Nazis were definitely not.
Kinder, Küche, Kirche - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
National Socialist policy on women^
Does that seem far left to anyone?
Nazi policy on economics was mixed-and varied from practice. In theory, business was to be subordinated to state interests. Though private property was not attacked because of it being private property.
Nazi attitudes on communism-communism was a Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. A war against the European peoples. They did not sing the Internationale and had no truck with those that did.
The Nazis emphasized blood, race, and soil.
They were not cosmopolitan.
They rejected western liberalism(free markets, democracy, parliamentary politics), and Marxism.
KilroywasNOTHere
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there's a difference between making your voice be heard, and trying to be the harbenger of some kind of Left Behind nonsense.
Fleiur
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But Christians cannot withdraw from the world either or cease supporting candidates who do good.
For example, the Trump administration has done more to fight against abortion than ever any other: The Trump campaign is touting its anti-abortion agenda. Here's what's at stake
And his administration is the first in along time to take human trafficking seriously: Executive Order on Combating Human Trafficking and Online Child Exploitation in the United States | The White House
KilroywasNOTHere
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that I'll agree with. admitidly this is the first election where I will vote. Whether it will be the last is yet to be seen. Depend on how many people like trump rise up. Oddly enough, I think he has made fools of both liberals and conservatives.
Shipmaster Sane
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Killing communists is the only thing communists do well.
"State intervention in economic production arises when private initiative is insufficient, or when the interests of the state are involved. This intervention may take the form of control or direct management."
-Benito Mussolini
" Fascism: Doctrines and Institutions "
"Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation, the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the italian people. What does Social Justice mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes"
-Benito Mussolini, speech in Milan.
"The outbreak of a Socialist revolution in one country will cause the others to imitate it so as to strengthen the Proletariat and prevent the Bourgeoisie from attempting any armed intervention"
-Benito Mussolini
"The Myth of the Nation and the Vision of Revolution"
How about a couple of snazzy anti communist policies from the Nazi economic doctrine! You have read the 25 point plan, right?
10. The activity of individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the whole for the benefit for the general good.
13. We demand the nationalization of all Trusts.
14. We demand profit sharing in large industries.
17. We demand the enactment of a law to expropriate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose, the abolishment of ground rents, and the prohibition of all land speculation
Ahhhh, anti communism. Nothing like folding all industry and private property into the state for the good of the collective commune for the purpose of anti communism.
You cannot be anti communist and subsume private industry and economy into the government, that is definitionally communist.
AnimalNoodles
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National Socialism is basically right wing socialism.
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That doesn't exist.
Shipmaster Sane
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Almos every socialist movement claims to be "a good middle ground between outrageous extremes"
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Yes, fascism, Nazism, integralism, and 20th century clericalism fall under the purview of the Third Position.
That is against Marxian Communism and Western Liberal Capitalism.
Shipmaster Sane
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No it isn’t.
Communism has a specific ideological meaning in Marxist theory.
“The government doing stuff” is not socialism.
Shipmaster Sane
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I have never heard a more dishonest description than "The government subsuming all industry and economy into itself and it's purview" conflated "Governments sometimes do things no big deal"
Aldarion
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"Government doing stuff" is literally what socialism is about. Or, rather, what modern socialism is about: in actual socialism, it comes down to "community doing stuff", which need not imply any governmental involvement. Communism however is a very specific form of socialism, defined among other things by extreme scope of government (and, consequently, propensity towards mass murder).