Philosophy Might In The End Unfortunately Decides What Is “Right”

CarlManvers2019

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Before anybody says anything, no I’m not a social darwinist, hell I think large quantities of people could possibly do more than those of rare quality in abilities, mostly because they’re those who are around

It maybe a result of having read two Heinlein books and liking that scene from Game of Thrones where Varys talks to Tyrion on the nature of power, but I believe that in the end, without the willingness to use force or violence or the threat of it, things like laws are meaningless unless someone enforces them.

So to does it extend to the concept of justice, which decides who is right and who is wrong and who is to be punished

And those in power can be the ones who decide who is right and wrong, it doesn’t necessarily make them the good guys, hell it means they can be the bad guy without so many consequences

Hell it’d make things like a law unjust, but what could you do about it?

Before you ask, voting itself can be considered violence, it sort of puts pressure to change things and so long as the military follows the vote or if say, the corrupt politician surrenders quietly or doesn’t have the power to murder the dissidents voting him, those votes carry power and will to somehow use force to change things

It probably even extends to religion, there is a threat of violence or something being done against you if you’re not a “good person” whether it be getting reincarnated as a duck, sent to hell, sent to limbo, being eaten by a crocodile or some other equivalent, you feel threatened away from doing what that religion says is bad

Property itself in the end is also decided by force or violence or should better be said the majority who have military and/or economic power. So lots of land can be “legaly” seized if the right votes are made and a noble family having thousand year ownership will mean nothing if no other nobles recognize said “rights” and don’t assist or marry into it in order to take advantage. Even basic private properties are only still yours unless you can defend yourself or others are willing to defend your rights to an object that you bought.

As for how the guys in power sorta decided what was right and rather than it just being according to whims, being nice and caring and protective has its pragmatic reasons and is part of our human instincts, though as shown by more older civilizations, this maybe “biased” to only applying this good behavior to “my people” instead of “all people”

Still, even weak individuals against a stronger and larger in comparison society/majority, can decide what’s right or stick to their principals as they may not shrink even in the face of threats as they either recognize a bigger threat or truly value some things

So if you’re in a 1984-esque world where what is considered right and wrong has been decided by the wider majority or the wider brainwashed majority, you could still eventually realise what is right and wrong

Though you may end up horribly injured or dead for rejecting it

That said simply thinking differently doesn’t make you right, you gotta actually think it through as much as possible.

How else do there end up guys in Nazi Germany freeing Jews except by actually using their intelligence and whatever protective instincts together to realise they’re committing mass murder

Also a “gold and silver rule” you don’t want you or your family and friends to suffer, so you shouldn’t inflict or allow hurt onto others
 
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SergeantBrother

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Might doesn't make right, but morality without might of some kind is going to lose. The winners also right the history books, so we would expect to see people who win because they are mightier depicted their foes as being evil and that representation will be widely accepted.
 

CarlManvers2019

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@CarlManvers2019 How do you not know you haven't been indoctrinated or partially indoctrinated into any ideology?

You have to use your head and have a sort of sense of self that doesn’t just conform or anti-conform

Also, try not focusing too much on some “greater good” or joining up on some religion or big organization with goals and if you do, try seeing when they stray from the right path and/or are going insane, stupid and maybe corrupt
 
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The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
You have to use your head and have a sort of sense of self that doesn’t just conform or anti-conform

Also, try not focusing too much on some “greater good” or joining up on some religion or big organization with goals and if you do, try seeing when they stray from the right path and/or are going insane, stupid and maybe corrupt
I don't really think those are good ideas. I mean, we live in a society that emphasizes individualism and "free thinking," and it seems like you've swallowed it wholesale.

I would start by looking at the very basics of what you believe and why you believe it. What are your first principles?
 

CarlManvers2019

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I would start by looking at the very basics of what you believe and why you believe it. What are your first principles?

1. If you don’t like something being done to you, don’t do it to others.

This was sorta a result of me really wanting to never be a hypocrite

2. Never shut down someone from expressing or saying their beliefs

The latter is sorta something I came up with due to my experiences on FFN and other places like deviantart

I get banned for critiquing a bad In-Name-Only Fic and I don’t ban others from telling me how much of a “flamer” I am for it

Like that one guy who kept accusing me of being pro child abuse and being hitler for his Undertale X Naruto fic where I said that he was bashing Konoha only for him to keep saying I was okay with child abuse

He banned me after I tried talking to him

Also, kinda because I believe that doing so makes it so that you get a bad image and render your future complaints invalid. Think how McCarthyism made it so that complaints about Left-Based threats are automatically dismissed.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
This forum for one is consistent in one regard, we won’t ban our Communists no matter how fucking annoying they are and how much they like to do things like accuse us of shit

Like that guy who accused us all of being pro-Harvey Weinstein only for us to point out the guy was the Left’s fucking fault or belonged to them

They may ban or punish us in other forums, but we will allow them here, to show we’re better than them

Turn to the other cheek.

Make a martyr of yourself when you accept their abuse or don’t and you let the other become the martyr when you tell him to get out
 
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CarlManvers2019

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In the end, who is right depends on who is the current martyr or looks sympathetic somehow, just don’t look too much into history or what actually happened
 

The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
1. If you don’t like something being done to you, don’t do it to others.

This was sorta a result of me really wanting to never be a hypocrite

This isn't intuitive. Why is it wrong to be a hypocrite? Because it makes you feel bad? Why does it make you feel bad? Is that a rational feeling, or is it because you were indoctrinated into believing so?

2. Never shut down someone from expressing or saying their beliefs

The latter is sorta something I came up with due to my experiences on FFN and other places like deviantart

I get banned for critiquing a bad In-Name-Only Fic and I don’t ban others from telling me how much of a “flamer” I am for it

Like that one guy who kept accusing me of being pro child abuse and being hitler for his Undertale X Naruto fic where I said that he was bashing Konoha only for him to keep saying I was okay with child abuse

He banned me after I tried talking to him

Also, kinda because I believe that doing so makes it so that you get a bad image and render your future complaints invalid. Think how McCarthyism made it so that complaints about Left-Based threats are automatically dismissed.
Notice how the censorship goes all of one way. The Left is able to censor people and shut them down. The Right can't do that without justifying Left-wing censorship. There's a fundamental inequality here.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
This isn't intuitive. Why is it wrong to be a hypocrite? Because it makes you feel bad? Why does it make you feel bad? Is that a rational feeling, or is it because you were indoctrinated into believing so?

Because you don’t want it done to you

Also, indoctrinated? I had these ideas before I even knew about Libertarnianism

Notice how the censorship goes all of one way. The Left is able to censor people and shut them down. The Right can't do that without justifying Left-wing censorship. There's a fundamental inequality here.

So what? The Moral Guardians of before were around, I never liked them. Jack Thompson could do censorship on stuff I like and I’d still say fuck him.

Bye Mr Mark Soldner
 

The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
Because you don’t want it done to you

Also, indoctrinated? I had these ideas before I even knew about Libertarnianism
How does "not being a hypocrite" actually prevent it from being done to you? What about in the case of the powerful hypocrite, where the hypocrite prevents bad things from being done to him by force and does them to others anyways?

Maybe indoctrinated is too strong a word, but we all live in a Western society where individualism is held in high regard and preached by all the powerful institutions. You would have gotten your ideas by osmosis. Your parents, your teachers, your friends, television... all of those things could have given you those ideas of individualism. I'd also like to point out that the critique of hypocrisy is also found in Christianity, and our society is nominally Christian, such that most people are at least culturally Christian.

I'm not trying to take away your views. I'm just trying to point out that they aren't actually self-evident. Very few things are.

So what? The Moral Guardians of before were around, I never liked them. Jack Thompson could do censorship on stuff I like and I’d still say fuck him.

Bye Mr Mark Soldner
Do you agree or disagree that nobody is saying Left-wing censorship will bring about the Left's downfall?
 

CarlManvers2019

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How does "not being a hypocrite" actually prevent it from being done to you? What about in the case of the powerful hypocrite, where the hypocrite prevents bad things from being done to him by force and does them to others anyways?

It doesn’t stop them from hurting you. But at least you’re consistent.

Well that hypocrite is still a hypocrite, doesn’t mean you gotta like him. He maybe an asshole, but there’s no way to beat him unless he faces something he can’t beat down.

Maybe indoctrinated is too strong a word, but we all live in a Western society where individualism is held in high regard and preached by all the powerful institutions. You would have gotten your ideas by osmosis. Your parents, your teachers, your friends, television... all of those things could have given you those ideas of individualism. I'd also like to point out that the critique of hypocrisy is also found in Christianity, and our society is nominally Christian, such that most people are at least culturally Christian.

Preached but in the end pretty much everybody’s a conformist who doesn’t really think everything through

Okay, don’t care, not really interested anyway

Do you agree or disagree that nobody is saying Left-wing censorship will bring about the Left's downfall?

Left-Wing Censorship, especially in its sheer obviousness is something that combined with negative far left behavior helps turn people who get a feeling

To be....Away from them.

But unless people who recognize it and are willing to act against it are in sufficient numbers well.....you get to live in the Soviet Union where people just follow whatever the propoganda says and goes along with any and all censorship, also helps that they are probably unarmed and afraid of the rest of the population who maybe are also too afraid and/or too believing to resist

Best not to ever forget that there are those other than yourself with a Strength or Power or “Violence” of their own and that when confronted with either of those three, there are people who disagree and can resist

Even Gandhi was essentially using violence by getting himself and others not to submit

Voting With Your Wallet IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE!!! YOU ARE WITHHOLDING STUFF OTHERS WANT AND THAT HURTS THEM!!! EVEN IF YOU JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY YOU ALREADY SHOW DISAGREEMENT!!!

It cuts both ways, Donald Trump openly getting pissed about that movie called The Hunt and not wanting it released, helps make people dislike him and other Non-Left more
 
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The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
It doesn’t stop them from hurting you. But at least you’re consistent.

Well that hypocrite is still a hypocrite, doesn’t mean you gotta like him. He maybe an asshole, but there’s no way to beat him unless he faces something he can’t beat down.

In what way is it consistent? And isn't it just as consistent to go "I will do X to others, but I won't let others do X to me"?

Preached but in the end pretty much everybody’s a conformist who doesn’t really think everything through

Okay, don’t care, not really interested anyway

Do you not understand what I'm trying to do here?

Left-Wing Censorship, especially in its sheer obviousness is something that combined with negative far left behavior helps turn people who get a feeling

To be....Away from them.

But unless people who recognize it and are willing to act against it are in sufficient numbers well.....you get to live in the Soviet Union where people just follow whatever the propoganda says and goes along with any and all censorship, also helps that they are probably unarmed and afraid of the rest of the population who maybe are also too afraid and/or too believing to resist

Best not to ever forget that there are those other than yourself with a Strength or Power or “Violence” of their own and that when confronted with either of those three, there are people who disagree and can resist

Even Gandhi was essentially using violence by getting himself and others not to submit

Voting With Your Wallet IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE!!! YOU ARE WITHHOLDING STUFF OTHERS WANT AND THAT HURTS THEM!!! EVEN IF YOU JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY YOU ALREADY SHOW DISAGREEMENT!!!

It cuts both ways, Donald Trump openly getting pissed about that movie called The Hunt and not wanting it released, helps make people dislike him and other Non-Left more
But if that's the case, don't you see how it's pointless for right-wing people to be anti-censorship if it makes them lose?
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
But if that's the case, don't you see how it's pointless for right-wing people to be anti-censorship if it makes them lose?

By refusing to consume a coopted thing, they already do show a form of force

It’s just gonna take awhile for the censorers to admit that what they’re doing is making them lose money and customers

Also, it helps that alternatives or previously uncensored versions of things exist

Though being right-anti-censorship and being depicted horribly for it probably only really feeds those who are too into just following whatever the western left says

From other people’s POV and the occasional Left dude who realises things, they can see who’s really the oppressor and underdog
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
In what way is it consistent? And isn't it just as consistent to go "I will do X to others, but I won't let others do X to me"?

What? My consistency is, “I won’t let others do X to me and I won’t do X to others”

Hell it’s why I liked the end of Aristillus Volume 2

The Peakers(UN Peacekeepers)and USArmy massacred a good portion of Aristillus’ people but they didn’t nuke em back, instead they just sent the moon city off towards Mars

I don’t approve of others censoring me or my friends, I don’t approve of censoring those people either.
 

Lanmandragon

Well-known member
We can play morality games and pretend it matters. The thing is though commie piece of shit or not (inftact me I don't give two fucks) Mao was totally correct power indeed flows from a gun. Truth is for better
or worse might 💯 makes right period. Apologise if that piss s you off but the truth hurts.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
We can play morality games and pretend it matters. The thing is though commie piece of shit or not (inftact me I don't give two fucks) Mao was totally correct power indeed flows from a gun. Truth is for better
or worse might 💯 makes right period. Apologise if that piss s you off but the truth hurts.

Essentially

No wonder having the right to bear arms’ such a big deal to you Westerners or Americans specifically
 

Lanmandragon

Well-known member
The hippies hate you or are currently strawmanning you
Fuck them? I mean seriously accept it or not but. If I can and am willing to whip your ass I win. It's seriously that simple I mean we can play games. In the end though the fact I (or whoeve ) can and will whip that ass is all that matters. Like it or not "I'm stronger then your bitch ass" is still abd always will be period
 

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