It's certainly more original than your "muh intended portrayal" + "maximum misrepresentation" nonsense and has the virtue of being supported by source material.
Most of what you wrote directly contradicts source material on fundamental levels. Such as your interpretation of the whole Valar vs Numenoreans issue.
Actually the only person who openly engaged in falsehoods and misrepresentation was you. But we'll get to that.
Riight.
You tried denying not me, but TOLKIEN himself on several cases.
So yeah.
Everything I said here is correct.
Except nothing is. Even things that you say which are technically correct still miss the fundamental themes of Tolkien's work.
>Doesn't require fuel
>Shines at night under its own power
There was another one the Umbarians were commanded to destroy by Sauron but whatever you probably don't consider HOME canon because it contradicts your foundationless views.
If you are so absolutely certain they were solar-powered, why don't you provide a quote?
Also, you are quite definitely wrong here in at least the second part. The one Umbarians destroyed was stated to
reflect sunlight. And it was not a lighthouse, it was monument to Ar-Pharazon in form of a white pillar with a crystal globe on top. That globe reflected sunlight and so the monument could be seen at tremendous distances...
during the day.
And keep in mind that HOME is below Lord of the Rings and even Silmarillion/Unfinished Tales/Fall of Gondolin when it comes to canonicity, because it is literally a collection of texts that were either unfinished, early concepts or outright rejected by Tolkien in his later writings.
I guess that explains why you are so confused, though.
No, see it does exist, because they created it using magic to enchant the swords to do harm to fucking ghosts. You can't even debunk my arguments correctly because I was asserting that they created this not dug it out of the ground. You're such a fucking sperg that you basically harp on every little detail without reading the full context.
This makes you wrong, it also makes you look ridiculous.
Nah, it just means you suck at explaining things.
And this is where we get into you either having an extreme spectrum disorder or are functionally illiterate. Either are grounds for outright dismissal of anything you have to say mind ye.
Learn to fucking read.
Nothing there implies that they were afraid they'd lose to the Sea Kings, rather that they were concerned they'd fuck their own house up in the process of smiting their asses.
Learn..to...fucking read.
Learn to fucking write.
And there is literally no proof of that either, anywhere in the text. All we know, from texts themselves, is that
1) Numenoreans landed on Aman
2) they found the empty land as Valar refused to fight them
3) Valar asked Illuvatar to intercede, and Illuvatar did so by sinking Numenor and burying Ar-Pharazon's army
The rest of it is just your baseless wanking.
There is nothing in the text that supports the idea that Valar fighting the Numenoreans would have sunk the Aman into ocean. Sure, there is the War of the Wrath as a precedent, but Numenoreans don't have Balrogs, or Dragons, or the military force on the general scale of what Morgoth was able to amass for the War of the Wrath:
Ar-Pharazôn, King of the Land of the Star, grew to the mightiest tyrant that had yet been in the world since the reign of Morgoth, though in truth Sauron ruled all from behind the throne.
In fact, we know for a fact that the army of the Last Alliance was greater at the very least than the army which Ar-Pharazon took with himself to Umbar (it is unlikely Elrond knew of the scale of the Great Armament, though), and
they did not cause any geography-affecting damage.
So where exactly do you get the idea that Valar fighting the Numenoreans would have caused irreparable collateral damage? Valar are able to literally
raise mountains. They created Valinor, they created Numenor, and Elves of Valinor had clearly evacuated the area ahead of the Numenorean army. Had the Valar laid the smackdown, the only casualties would have been the Numenoreans.
The only thing we know
for certain is that the Valar had no
authority to punish Numenoreans and destroy Ar-Pharazon's host:
Letter 156 said:
The Valar had no real answer to this monstrous rebellion — for the Children of God were not under their ultimate jurisdiction: they were not allowed to destroy them, or coerce them with any 'divine' display of the powers they held over the physical world. They appealed to God; and a catastrophic 'change of plan' occurred. At the moment that Arpharazôn set foot on the forbidden shore, a rift appeared: Númenor foundered and was utterly overwhelmed; the armada was swallowed up; and the Blessed Realm removed for ever from the circles of the physical world. Thereafter one could sail right round the world and never find it.
Notice what Tolkien wrote:
they were not allowed to destroy them, or coerce them with any 'divide' display of powers. Collateral damage to Valinor never even entered the consideration,
because Eru had forbidden Valar from doing anything against the Children to begin with.
Even
if it is true that Valar fighting the Numenoreans would have caused irrepareable collateral damage (and there is nothing in the text that supports that),
it is irrelevant, because issue at hand was completely different one.
And yet he still created them ergo they're his get.
While you are
technically correct, Tolkien clearly differentiates the Ainur from the Children of God, who are Elves and Men:
Letter 156 again said:
But if it is 'cheating' to treat 'death' as making no difference, embodiment must not be ignored. Gandalf may be enhanced in power (that is, under the forms of this fable, in sanctity), but if still embodied he must still suffer care and anxiety, and the needs of flesh. He has no more (if no less) certitudes, or freedoms, than say a living theologian. In any case none of my 'angelic' persons are represented as knowing the future completely, or indeed at all where other wills are concerned. Hence their constant temptation to do, or try to do, what is for them wrong (and disastrous): to force lesser wills by power: by awe if not by actual fear, or physical constraint. But the nature of the gods' knowledge of the history of the World, and their part in making it (before it was embodied or made 'real') – whence they drew their knowledge of the future, such as they had, is pan of the major mythology. It is at least there represented that the intrusion of Elves and Men into that story was not any pan of theirs at all, but reserved: hence Elves and Men were called the Children of God; and hence the gods either loved (or hated) them specially: as having a relation to the Creator equal to their own, if of different stature. This is the mythological-theological situation at this moment in History, which has been made explicit but has not yet been published
Of the first kind and the chief was the theme of the incarnate intelligence, Elves and Men, which was not thought of nor treated by any of the Spirits. They were therefore called the Children of God. Being other than the Spirits, of less 'stature', and yet of the same order, they were the object of hope and desire to the greater spirits, who knew something of their form and nature and the mode and approximate time of their appearance in the realization. But they also realized that the Children of God must not be 'dominated', though they would be specially susceptible to it. It was because of this pre-occupation with the Children of God that the spirits so often took the form and likeness of the Children, especially after their appearance. It was thus that Sauron appeared in this shape. It is mythologically supposed that when this shape was 'real', that is a physical actuality in the physical world and not a vision transferred from mind to mind, it took some time to build up. It was then destructible like other physical organisms. But that of course did not destroy the spirit, nor dismiss it from the world to which it was bound until the end. After the battle with Gilgalad and Elendil, Sauron took a long while to re-build, longer than he had done after the Downfall of Númenor (I suppose because each building-up used up some of the inherent energy of the spirit, which might be called the 'will' or the effective link between the indestructible mind and being and the realization of its imagination). The impossibility of re-building after the destruction of the Ring, is sufficiently clear 'mythologically' in the present book.
Yes, you
could say that Ainur are the Children of God in that they were
created by Him: and Tolkien specifically states that Ainur had the same relation to the Creator as humans and elves did; but the specific label as such was reserved for the Elves and Men.
Again, same as relation of angels and humans in Christian theology. Angels were created by God as well, but usually only humans are called the Children of God, as we were created in His likeness.
The implication being that nothing Numenor had would force the Vanyar and the Ainu to put even ten percent of the effort they put into taking out Morgoth at the end which destroyed Beleriand.
Numenor had no Valar, no Maiar (Balrogs), no dragons... so yes, it is entirely possible, likely even, that "nothing Numenor had would force the Vanyar and the Ainu to put even ten percent of the effort they put into taking out Morgoth at the end which destroyed Beleriand".
It is also irrelevant because we
know why the Valar did not fight Numenoreans, and it had nothing to do with Numenoreans' military power. See earlier in this reply.
We can certainly powerscale them to first age heroes if not the strongest, the mid to low end ones given y'know...multiple first age heroes failed to kill Sauron but one enraged old Numenorean beat his meatsuit to "death"
It was not "one enraged old Numenorean". It was Gil-Galad
and Elendil, literally the most powerful Elven warrior and most powerful Human warrior at the end of the Second Age, working together, that felled Sauron - and both of them perished in the effort.
And this was Sauron that had already been diminished by his death in sinking of Numenor, and had not even recovered most of his power.
Questioning your stability and cognitive capacity is fun.
It is possible I am an Aspie, but my cognitive capacity is definitely greater than yours by quite a bit.
Also, next time, before you call out people for making mistakes in
details of Tolkien's work, you might want to make sure that you understand
fundamentals of it at least. Just sayin'. Not that you are much better in the details either.
