Yes, that's correct. Though it's worth noting that most Hispanics in the Southwestern US are likely Mexicans:
Mexican-plurality areas are in pink on this map, FWIW.
Alternate History Mexico Keeps Californias
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Yes, that's correct. Though it's worth noting that most Hispanics in the Southwestern US are likely Mexicans:
Mexican-plurality areas are in pink on this map, FWIW.
Utah under Mexicans.Mexicans would welcome anybody who do not support USA or England,and remember,that mormons run from USA.
Or - independent state allied with Mexico.
Didn't have time to respond yesterday but
a) If ATP is so convinced that a powerful US is so bad why does he want it to be the world's only super-power - especially having achieved that status by massive nuclear strikes against a former ally?
b) Actually while Biden is making mistakes at least he's getting some weapons to Ukraine - unlikely his opponents who want nothing to do with the war or as in Trump's case are cheering Putin on. He's being more cautious than I would have been but better than nothing.
On a point in an earlier post its not so sure that Catholic migrants would flood to a powerful Mexico in as large numbers as ATP is assuming. The main factor for the migrants [Catholic, Jewish, Orthodox and others] during the late 19th and early 20th centuries were that they were often dirt poor. As such most ended up not only in NE N America but generally stayed in the eastern urban cities despite often appalling living conditions because they had little capacity to move further west and say buy land.
A trip to any Mexican port would be much longer and hence would cost more. Hence its unlikely to be either payable by the vast bulk of migrants and therefore rarely if at all offered by the shipping companies.
Its likely that a successful Mexico will attract a lot more migrants than OTL but they won't get all the Catholics, even with some facing persecution and seeking to move east. OTL most Catholics - which to be honest is the only community he cares about - stayed in the US despite frequent discrimination and a large number will still do so in TTL as well.
Didn't have time to respond yesterday but
a) If ATP is so convinced that a powerful US is so bad why does he want it to be the world's only super-power - especially having achieved that status by massive nuclear strikes against a former ally?
b) Actually while Biden is making mistakes at least he's getting some weapons to Ukraine - unlikely his opponents who want nothing to do with the war or as in Trump's case are cheering Putin on. He's being more cautious than I would have been but better than nothing.
On a point in an earlier post its not so sure that Catholic migrants would flood to a powerful Mexico in as large numbers as ATP is assuming. The main factor for the migrants [Catholic, Jewish, Orthodox and others] during the late 19th and early 20th centuries were that they were often dirt poor. As such most ended up not only in NE N America but generally stayed in the eastern urban cities despite often appalling living conditions because they had little capacity to move further west and say buy land.
A trip to any Mexican port would be much longer and hence would cost more. Hence its unlikely to be either payable by the vast bulk of migrants and therefore rarely if at all offered by the shipping companies.
Its likely that a successful Mexico will attract a lot more migrants than OTL but they won't get all the Catholics, even with some facing persecution and seeking to move east. OTL most Catholics - which to be honest is the only community he cares about - stayed in the US despite frequent discrimination and a large number will still do so in TTL as well.
1.Any superpower is bad.But,USA in 1945 should act in its own interest,and its interest was removing Sralin before he get nukes.Becouse ,once he have enough of them,he would start war and either destroy world,or take over it.
dude was genocider,but pragmatic.
What USA did was prolonged suicide - soviets with lots of nukes ruled by any beliver MUST DO SO.Only reason why we is still alive is becouse when Reagan faced them,they were ruled by oportunists ,not beliver,and choosed fall of their empire to death.
Yes,we should every day thanks those fuckers,we are alive only thanks to them.
2.Biden is paying for Putin war,becouse he stopped excracting of oil in USA - only thanks to that Putin have money.
When TRump was president,Moscov could do nothing,becouse they have no moneys for that.
3.There would be more Mexican ports in this TL.
4.Mexicans would not welcome noncatholics,unless they would be engineers or something like that.
5.Mexicans would care about only catholics ther,not me.Just like USA would care only about protestants.
6.Catholics in OTL have no other place then USA,so they must agree to be 3th rate citizen.Now,they could be 1th rate mexican subjects.Quess,what they would choose.
raharris1973
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If it was good enough for the Romneys, it's good enough for other Mormons.
You seem to have the belief that Stalin was some sort of ideological fanatic. The evidence is otherwise. He was a brutal dictator who was overwhelmingly interested in one thing - his continued possession of power. As such he is very unlikely to start WWIII because he would be aware that he can't win it.
Wrong about Biden as well. There are steps to cut down expansion of oil production because its in the US's interest - as well as everybody else on the planet. Russia has been making a lot of money from oil for years now and the EU is still struggling to get itself off its Russian oil and gas fix.
There would be more ports but at best they would still be in the western Caribbean so the economic imperative would still be for most migrants to go initially to the far easier to reach western N America. If anti-Catholicism is worse than OTL in the US - which it might be with a markedly more powerful Mexico as a clear economic rival - then a lot might end up moving on to Mexico or Canada. However most initially will travel to the Halifax-Boston-New York region simply due to geography and economics.
Your suggesting that Mexico would become as religious fanatical as you think the US was - which wouldn't be good for its social and technological development. Closed minds tend to be closed in multiple directions not just one.
Have Catholics ever been as much into evolution denial as Evangelical Protestants were?
1.Sralin planned WW3,we knew that thanks to "polish" commander of that time,soviet Rokossowski,who was invited with other soviets ruling over puppet states and ordered prepare their armies for war till 1956.
Of course,officially war woud be started by bad americans,and soviets would only retaliate.
Pity tat Sralin died,becouse he would lost that war.
2.As long as Trump was president,USA used its own oil and have it cheap.Now Biden forbid it,and your economy suffer for it.
UE could use coal and made oil from that - but,they prefer helping senpai Putin,becouse they are his allies.
3.Still,most would go to Mexico
4.USA was religious fanatical at least till 1920 - and it not hampered their technological development.So,Mexico would be fine,too.Good Protestant engineers would be still welcome.
All in all - we have much better world here.Without one superpower,and united Russia and Germany.
First - now we knew that evolution,as Darwin prescribed it,simply not existed.
Second - no,we catholics do not belive in Old Testament being 100% true,for example everybody agree now that it was 2 or 3 Izaiachs,not one.
I don't think as much on that issue although ATP seems to be somewhat along that line from his comment about Darwin? However there was opposition to the idea of a long time since the creation of Earth. Also a commitment by many established churches to unquestioning obedience to authority, both within the church and also to conservative/reactionary establishments it generally supported.
If your denying religious freedom to your citizen then your likely also to seek to restrict their actions and opinions/ideas in other ways. Also will there be a willingness to education your population independent of the church.
Buba
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Not for quite a while.
The benefits of an ecclesiarchy - the traditional churches are run by highly educated people - in the Roman Church you need a doctorate to be eligible for bishop rank, and I'd be surprised if something along those lines did not exist among the Orthodox, Eastern and Oriental Churches - hence the relevance of frothing at the mouth Bible thumpers is low
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Darwin claimed,that species slowly changes.Which mean,that we have 99% of reptile and 1% of mammal,and it gradually come to 100% mammal.
Reality showed something else - we have one species,and then we have another,no real missink links.
Darwin made predictions as he understood from the information at the time. Which is a lot more complex than your desciption. There are a lot of 'missing links' as you put it. However the big issue is that as a responsible scientist he would have expected that later scientists would test his ideas and in many cases improve on them. That's the way science works.
Yes,he expected that we find all that missing links.And considering how much old bones was digged from that time,we should have all of them.Which is not the case.
New species appeared,but not in Darwin evolution way .
Back to topic - Mexico in this scenario would not be world superpower,but stronger then USA at least with its Confederacy ally/ - and it would be enough to gave freedom to all South american countries.
Becouse there would be on one big bully which do what he want,but two bullies beating each other and do not having time for some banana wars.
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Evolution is clearly supported by all the evidence. Its also been demonstrated frequently in real life as well. For instance all domesticated animals and plants as the most obvious examples.
That assumes that not only does a pro-slave bloc seek to break away - which is likely - but that it wins - not so likely - and that it becomes a Mexican ally - even less likely given Mexican hostility towards slavery and the fact the main group in the US that wished to expand into Mexican territory was the US south.
The US and Mexico are probably likely to be rivals for influence in central America which probably protects S America from both of them.
Evolution is clearly supported by all the evidence. Its also been demonstrated frequently in real life as well. For instance all domesticated animals and plants as the most obvious examples.
That assumes that not only does a pro-slave bloc seek to break away - which is likely - but that it wins - not so likely - and that it becomes a Mexican ally - even less likely given Mexican hostility towards slavery and the fact the main group in the US that wished to expand into Mexican territory was the US south.
The US and Mexico are probably likely to be rivals for influence in central America which probably protects S America from both of them.
1.Domesticated wolfs are dogs,capable of having puppies with wolfes ,not another species.
2.Enemy of my enemy - if USA was too strong,Mexico and CSA would be allies.
3.Exactly - S America would be free to made its own mistakes,not american or mexican.
1) - so? Plus that doesn't apply in other areas, hence creatures such as the ligar and tion.
2) - IF the US was too strong possibly so in the longer term. However in the short term the mutual mistrust and differing interests are likely to be stronger. Plus your talking about a Mexico which is not only strong but also exclusive and mistrustful if not paranoid.
1.ligars could have no fertile offsprings,half-wolfs could.
2.Not excusive,it would take all catholics and others christians.And in 19th century protestants was agents of their goverments,so they could not be trusted becouse of that.