#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

Terthna

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Well first of all, he paraded the worst dredges of society before an audience, so that they could indulge in their hatred of them; which personally I think is immoral on both sides. Next, he gave step-by-step instructions to every potential child molester on what not to do if they don't want to get caught.

Don't even get me started on the ethical issues with entrapment; which Hansen managed get people to completely forget, due solely to the sorts of people he targeted. Then there's the problem with how he essentially enshrined vigilante justice when it came to exposing pedophiles and condemning them; something which screws over not only people who later turn out to be innocent, but has also managed to tank more than one investigation via tainting of evidence.



Is that about the suicide he caused one time too?
That's also a big reason; everyone should have their day in court, and even the worst monsters deserve to be treated with dignity before they are tried, proven guilty, and sentenced to their punishment. But no; Hansen needed to capture the man's despair on camera, so he could entertain his audience and continue to make money off of the suffering of others (I don't care if they deserved it, that's still what he did). Because of that, a man killed himself, and I hold Hansen personally responsible for his death.
 

Arch Dornan

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Well first of all, he paraded the worst dredges of society before an audience, so that they could indulge in their hatred of them; which personally I think is immoral on both sides. Next, he gave step-by-step instructions to every potential child molester on what not to do if they don't want to get caught.

Don't even get me started on the ethical issues with entrapment; which Hansen managed get people to completely forget, due solely to the sorts of people he targeted. Then there's the problem with how he essentially enshrined vigilante justice when it came to exposing pedophiles and condemning them; something which screws over not only people who later turn out to be innocent, but has also managed to tank more than one investigation via tainting of evidence.




That's also a big reason; everyone should have their day in court, and even the worst monsters deserve to be treated with dignity before they are tried, proven guilty, and sentenced to their punishment. But no; Hansen needed to capture the man's despair on camera, so he could entertain his audience and continue to make money off of the suffering of others (I don't care if they deserved it, that's still what he did). Because of that, a man killed himself, and I hold Hansen personally responsible for his death.
Ok I won't post future videos. I will post news updates however in relation to the livestream incident.
 

Arch Dornan

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Thank you. Sorry about that, but after years of having to deal with Hansen memes, and people treating him like some sort of hero, I'd rather everyone would forget the man already; he does not deserve your attention.
I may check further on him and watch his work but I won't make a big deal on it.

He's already past his prime. Divorced, got caught cheating and arrested once for doing his taxes wrong if I got it right.
 

Strigan44

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Better than name dropping someone on [a friendly to you ] twitter with zero evidence, decades later when they cannot possibly defend themselves without calling you a liar.
So if you knew someone had committed a crime, and could possibly harm others, your preferred course of action would be to do basically nothing and pat yourself on the back for not causing a ruckus?
Also, your solution is to... deliberately invoke the mob?
She didn't "deliberately invoke the mob." She posted an account of being abused by Alec Holowka. At no point did she direct people to harass him.
Opinions like these do more damage to actual rape victims then any number of disbelieving people by convincing them that going to the police is useless.
because police always bad? fuck that...
The police have consistiently mishandled rape cases in the US and the UK. I'm not saying the police are useless, but at the same time there's legitimate reasons why a rape victim would be reluctant to report to the authorities. None of this actually matters anyways, because- even the police are 100% professional in their handling of your case- they can't actually do anything without actionable evidence. In cases like Zoe's- where the incident took place a long time ago- there's usually very little information that can be gathered aside from the testimony of other people involved in the case, and the police can't contact literally everyone that the accused person met in his lifetime. Again, you can't find if other people have corroborating evidence without going public about allegations.
And you know what? If he did do it, Fuck him, but everything about the way she did it is why men are freaking out right now. If you have one iota of power, all it takes is one accusation and your life is over. This is not a good precedence and its going to set back relations for a while if they keep it up.
This is probably the most wrong thing I've heard so far on this forum. Virtually everytime a public figure gets "cancelled"- unless they actually get convicted of a crime- the worst that happens is that they take a temporary PR hit and things end up going back to normal after a while. The one exception to this- and there is an exception- is with people who don't have any power, such as Justine Sacco or that YA writer from a few months ago.
She spoke in front of the freaking UN. She has dozens of articles about her. She made a shitty game but she is far more in the public eye and has the ear of journalists more than the common man.
She got so much attention because a harassment campaign against her ended up developing into a massive reactionary clusterfuck that went on to influence US politics to this day. She doesn't have a ton of money or serious political/media connections.
This is actually retarded. People will lie constantly when you have mobs like these because they know that they won't be held accountable for doing so. We've seen it multiple times between what happened with moments like "hands up don't shoot" where the so called witnesses swore up and down that they'd seen it happen until they got dragged into a court of law where lying would have consequences and promptly shut their mouths and ran away, to the guy in the Vic case who claimed on twitter to have had Vic touch his friend's chest and had a police report only for it to turn out that not only was there no such report at all, but that said touching amounted to Vic's hand passing by their chest which they thought nothing of at the time who would also go on to run away. That's just off the top of my head.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Can you provide links for those incidents?
 

FriedCFour

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She got so much attention because a harassment campaign against her ended up developing into a massive reactionary clusterfuck that went on to influence US politics to this day. She doesn't have a ton of money or serious political/media connections.
Influence US politics to this day? The only people who care or are talking about Gamergate are a few people who hated it. No one else even cares about that anymore. Its dead and long since been dead. The only thing I think you can say is that for many it was a big showing of how the news media will lie and tell half truths and are highly politically biased. It can be considered a birth for Fake News.

The one exception to this- and there is an exception- is with people who don't have any power, such as Justine Sacco or that YA writer from a few months ago.
Would you consider this suicide a second exception?
 

Cherico

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Gamer gate was one of those things that did not have to happen at all.

Seriously there was absolutely no reason why the left had to pick a fight with gamers, were talking about a group of people who were politically neutral, didn't have a lot of power and mostly just wanted to be left the fuck alone. It was a bunch of left wing assholes going in and picking a fight they absolutely did not have to fight and then being surprised when people who didn't have a lot to lose decided to fight back.

Lets say the left had won this fight? What the fuck would they get? A couple apologies a chance to humilate a few people? There wasn't any major poltical gain to be had, what they did do was enrage a whole bunch of people and create perminant enemies they did not have to create.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Gamer gate was one of those things that did not have to happen at all.

Seriously there was absolutely no reason why the left had to pick a fight with gamers, were talking about a group of people who were politically neutral, didn't have a lot of power and mostly just wanted to be left the fuck alone. It was a bunch of left wing assholes going in and picking a fight they absolutely did not have to fight and then being surprised when people who didn't have a lot to lose decided to fight back.

Lets say the left had won this fight? What the fuck would they get? A couple apologies a chance to humilate a few people? There wasn't any major poltical gain to be had, what they did do was enrage a whole bunch of people and create perminant enemies they did not have to create.

Plus, my time in KotakuInAction made me see that many of them were ironically of the opinion that “We already accomplished what we set out to do and are no longer needed” and that “We don’t have to do anything, just avoid buying alongside many others who are avoiding buying shitty products”

That and the SJW’s general combined stupidity, laziness and corruption would be something that sorted itself out (GetWokeGoBroke)

Plus, as I’ve seen, plenty like on this site aren’t even close to the stereotype and aren’t even white or male and as such can easily disprove accusations of being Nazi’s



Like these guys
 
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Isem

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The police have consistiently mishandled rape cases in the US and the UK. I'm not saying the police are useless, but at the same time there's legitimate reasons why a rape victim would be reluctant to report to the authorities. None of this actually matters anyways, because- even the police are 100% professional in their handling of your case- they can't actually do anything without actionable evidence. In cases like Zoe's- where the incident took place a long time ago- there's usually very little information that can be gathered aside from the testimony of other people involved in the case, and the police can't contact literally everyone that the accused person met in his lifetime. Again, you can't find if other people have corroborating evidence without going public about allegations.
The rape kit scandal is actual poor performance by the police but still isn't an argument to not at least make an attempt to go to the police. Which is what you're arguing is the correct move. And in all likelyhood they have improved since the scandal hit. Ignoring that however, this is a Canadian case not a US one. The performance of the US cops is irrelevant to the matter at hand.

Your second link is to someone who started their little work with a defense of someone who was caught faking a rape claim. It is telling, that the best some feminist sites can do is go "oh but she was vulnerable and had a bad childhood she shouldn't go to jail for lying". And why did she lie you might ask? Why to not have to take exams of course. And that was just something I found when looking up the author's name on google and finding a page calling her out on it and then searching the name it mentioned. I'm not going to bother going through the rest of it because quite bluntly I have 0 faith in someone who starts off their journal lying outright about cases you can easily find the details about with a basic google search.

And so your solution is to start an online lynch mob where any accusation will be taken as true? Where nothing the person accused says matters and where his guilt will be assumed by nearly everyone unless the accuser manages to fuck it up by falling apart on being questioned? That's not justice. Not even remotely close. The point of these callouts is not to get corroboration. It's to ruin someone without having to bother to go to court or even make a slight attempt to prove your claim. Knowing full well that attempting to get the accuser in court to defend yourself would be almost ruinously expensive assuming you can even win the case, the current Vic Mignogna case has a gofundme that's nearly at the 250k mark and that probably still won't be enough. and very few people who are attacked like that can afford to or will be willing to muster a defense after they've been fired from their job and abandoned by nearly everyone they know. Risk free, consequence free.

Do you not give a shit about the people being accused who have no ability to even attempt to defend themselves? Do you think that it's just that someone can just accuse you of something and ruin your entire life and there's nothing you can reasonably do to defend yourself that would work? We have the courts for a reason. It's so that we have actual justice not some random lynch mob deciding things. Because otherwise? We're going to have more suicides and at some point, someone is going to really snap and put a bullet in the person who accused them. And to be honest? I wouldn't blame them for it.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Can you provide links for those incidents?
Hands up don't shoot. Where witness who'd lied before court and helped cause a US wide outrage suddenly realized they couldn't keep at it in a court of law without any consequences and rapidly changed their tune. The best part is that lie still gets brought up to this very day.

The Vic case's one is more difficult by virtue of the nature of the case. The name of the individual is Sam Swicegood who also went under the username ponytoast on twitter. First let's start with his twitter claims as per the archives taken of them by kiwifarms. Started off really strong didn't he? It didn't really last unfortunately for him. As per Nick's coverage of it (1:04:12 to 1:13:21) the police report didn't exist and he retracted everything.
 

ShadowsOfParadox

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the thing about "it is better to let ten guilty men go free than one innocent suffer" is that the reverse "it is better that ten innocent suffer than one guilty man go free" involves ten guilty men going free.
 

Husky_Khan

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And you know what? If he did do it, Fuck him, but everything about the way she did it is why men are freaking out right now. If you have one iota of power, all it takes is one accusation and your life is over. This is not a good precedence and its going to set back relations for a while if they keep it up.

This is probably the most wrong thing I've heard so far on this forum. Virtually everytime a public figure gets "cancelled"- unless they actually get convicted of a crime- the worst that happens is that they take a temporary PR hit and things end up going back to normal after a while. The one exception to this- and there is an exception- is with people who don't have any power, such as Justine Sacco or that YA writer from a few months ago.

So the most wrong thing on this forum you ever read was that false accusations can end your life.

And his statement is so wrong that you point out that it only 'temporarily' harms famous people. The only exception is people who aren't arbitrarily famous enough.... you know.... Vice Presidents of companies and actual novelists. :cautious:

What a relief.... if your a member of the top .01% though... chances are you'll only get a three month to three year hiccup that'll hound you for the rest of your life and probably your family/estate a few decades after that. ;)

Most wrong thing ever! :ROFLMAO:
 

Darmani

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the thing about "it is better to let ten guilty men go free than one innocent suffer" is that the reverse "it is better that ten innocent suffer than one guilty man go free" involves ten guilty men going free.
That's because the court doesn't determine who was worthless it determines who is guilty of an action. When you let 10 guilty men going free you let 10 individual actions go unpunished. Do not let 10 individual machines that cause crime and only calls crime go unpunished forever free of any punishment
 

Arch Dornan

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Plus, my time in KotakuInAction made me see that many of them were ironically of the opinion that “We already accomplished what we set out to do and are no longer needed” and that “We don’t have to do anything, just avoid buying alongside many others who are avoiding buying shitty products”

That and the SJW’s general combined stupidity, laziness and corruption would be something that sorted itself out (GetWokeGoBroke)

Plus, as I’ve seen, plenty like on this site aren’t even close to the stereotype and aren’t even white or male and as such can easily disprove accusations of being Nazi’s



Like these guys
JustSomeGuy was quite funny when Mark Waid called him a white supremacist. Being an uncle ruckus is quite rare.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
JustSomeGuy was quite funny when Mark Waid called him a white supremacist. Being an uncle ruckus is quite rare.

Did Mark Waid even know he wasn’t white?

So the most wrong thing on this forum you ever read was that false accusations can end your life.

And his statement is so wrong that you point out that it only 'temporarily' harms famous people. The only exception is people who aren't arbitrarily famous enough.... you know.... Vice Presidents of companies and actual novelists. :cautious:

What a relief.... if your a member of the top .01% though... chances are you'll only get a three month to three year hiccup that'll hound you for the rest of your life and probably your family/estate a few decades after that. ;)

Most wrong thing ever! :ROFLMAO:

Hey, if they can’t get those actually important and very wealthy and hard to remove people out, may as well destroy those they know who’s lives are more at risk. That will scare the males who aren’t part of the 0.01% at the very least.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Don't know. What I heard of him doesn't make a good impression. He's a giant man baby from his actions. Could be ignorant or just that bad an imbecile.

Called Ya Boi Zack one except he had children of mixed ethnicity.

And this guy made Kingdom Come and has been a comicbook veteran for more than a decade?

Aren’t all of Zack’s kids of different mothers? And illegitimate? Just asking, kinda curious, I think it has to do with him being a former soldier
 

Arch Dornan

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And this guy made Kingdom Come and has been a comicbook veteran for more than a decade?

Aren’t all of Zack’s kids of different mothers? And illegitimate? Just asking, kinda curious, I think it has to do with him being a former soldier
He's a strange one alright. Lolcow section should tell more.

Believe so yes. Screwed by child support as a result. Though he seems to be doing alright with how he makes videos though the lawsuit's taking a toll on him.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
He's a strange one alright. Lolcow section should tell more.

Believe so yes. Screwed by child support as a result.

Kiwifarms? Been months since I lurked without registering. I recall it once being mentioned that he used to have temper tantrums even before SJWism came in, en force

Well, at the very least as far as I can tell, that so called “Nazi” is actually a nice and caring parent. Seriously he tries avoiding ruling his kids’ opinions on Kamala Khan, surprisingly his kid still didn’t like her

Outside of FFN, archiveofourown, spacebattles, sufficientvelocity, alternatehistory, questionablequesting and deviantart. I keep on hearing she’s NOT that popular.....I tried reading the first Kamala Khan comic and gave up quick
 

Arch Dornan

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Kiwifarms? Been months since I lurked without registering. I recall it once being mentioned that he used to have temper tantrums even before SJWism came in, en force

Well, at the very least as far as I can tell, that so called “Nazi” is actually a nice and caring parent. Seriously he tries avoiding ruling his kids’ opinions on Kamala Khan, surprisingly his kid still didn’t like her
They have information on famous people on the internet should they be notorious enough to include regardless of who they are. Right, left, progressive, transgender, conservative all sorts. Make a scene and you'll be there with all the archived links to prove your lolcow moments.

I watched his videos sometimes and he acts really normal. Don't remember him raising his voice.

Saw Khamala Khan at first glance and I wouldn't be interested. Must only appeal to a smaller percentage of nerds.
 

Terthna

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They have information on famous people on the internet should they be notorious enough to include regardless of who they are. Right, left, progressive, transgender, conservative all sorts. Make a scene and you'll be there with all the archived links to prove your lolcow moments.

I watched his videos sometimes and he acts really normal. Don't remember him raising his voice.
I'm not a fan of the community there, but I've got to give them credit; if you want to know what someone has done and/or said on the internet, sometimes even off of it, Kiwifarms is probably the best place to find out. As I recall, Vic's lawyer has said they've been instrumental in finding evidence to support the case against his client's accusers; and considering the sheer amount of data they uncovered and put up on their forum, I believe him.
 

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