#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

[StormEagle]

Old-school leftists can be worth talking to. They can at least be rational. It's the new school brought up on intersectionality, postmodernism and crimestop that aren't worth my time. The new school are why Occupy Wall Street self-destructed.

Agreed. The old school leftists usually at least had somewhat of a point in regards to the failings of capitalism. Don’t usually agree with the proposed solutions, but they did have a point.

There is no pleasing the new left. You can apologize, grovel before them, and debase yourself completely but, if you don’t hold the exact right opinions and skin color, they’ll find some new grievance to take up and use as a bludgeon against you.

Intersectionality is a cancer upon civilization.

 

[Terthna]

Agreed. The old school leftists usually at least had somewhat of a point in regards to the failings of capitalism. Don’t usually agree with the proposed solutions, but they did have a point.

There is no pleasing the new left. You can apologize, grovel before them, and debase yourself completely but, if you don’t hold the exact right opinions and skin color, they’ll find some new grievance to take up and use as a bludgeon against you.

Intersectionality is a cancer upon civilization.

Here's what confuses most people; the New Left (otherwise known as the Regressive Left) has nothing to do with politics. They have no principles, no real long term plans for the future; the only thing they care about is the endorphin rush they get from asserting their superiority, moral or otherwise, over others. In previous generations, they would have been card-carrying members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Weather Underground, or the National Socialist German Workers' Party; it just so happens that the Regressive Left is what's popular right now.

 

[Sol Zagato]

Here's what confuses most people; the New Left (otherwise known as the Regressive Left) has nothing to do with politics. They have no principles, no real long term plans for the future; the only thing they care about is the endorphin rush they get from asserting their superiority, moral or otherwise, over others. In previous generations, they would have been card-carrying members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Weather Underground, or the National Socialist German Workers' Party; it just so happens that the Regressive Left is what's popular right now.

I disagree in part. There are a lot of true believers in the group, including otherwise very intelligent and perceptive true believers, who trust the Whig history moral fable they've been taught. At their worst, they view cancel culture and struggle sessions as the price of building a better society.

Smart people can be just as wrong as the rest of us, they're just better at rationalizing their positions.

 

[Strigan44]

Harvey Weinstein’s night out looks a lot like the groundwork for a comeback

Weinstein’s been going out in public a lot lately.

www.vox.com

The reaction of those in the room suggests that, to many observers, Weinstein, sitting quietly at his table, came off as calm and reasonable. Those who reacted poorly to his presence, however — who noted that someone who has been credibly accused of rape by nearly 100 women was sitting in the room with them and that this situation was not ideal — came off as shrill, irrational. They were making a scene. They were hecklers.
Creating this kind of narrative, in which the disgraced person is the quiet, logical one and those who object are the loud and irrational ones, is step one of a comeback process. We know it is because we’ve seen it happen before. Mel Gibson pulled it off in plain sight just a couple of years ago.

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But it’s not all you need for a comeback. As I wrote for Vox in 2017, once Gibson had his narrative in place, he still needed additional tools to return to the A-list. He needed some of his powerful friends to go out on a limb for him (Jodie Foster cast him in her 2011 film The Beaver; Robert Downey Jr. made statements on his behalf). He needed to spend enough time out of the public eye for his sins to become vague and amorphous in the public memory. And he needed to find a way to mount his comeback as discreetly as possible, in a property that was unambiguously his but didn’t have his picture everywhere, so that people could gradually get used to the idea of Mel Gibson in public again. That’s why Hacksaw Ridge was an ideal comeback vehicle: Gibson directed it and it was clearly his baby, but he wasn’t acting in it so it wasn’t sold on his face.

Harvey Weinstein was a sacrificial lamb for misogyny. And now he's back | Moira Donegan

Weinstein’s presence at a New York bar is the latest in a string of increasingly brazen returns to public life by men who were credibly accused of sexual assault

www.theguardian.com

In the two years since #MeToo reshaped the public conversation around sexual assault, my friends and I have begun to whisper among ourselves – what if the exposure of predatory behavior by Harvey Weinstein had not raised our standards for men’s behavior, but actually lowered them? After all, Weinstein was routinely held up as an example of what kind of sexual abuse was unacceptable, but not in such a way that acknowledged the prevalence of his sort of exploitation and abuse of power, but in a way that seemed to suggest that anything short of his level of high-profile, organized, serial rape and assault wasn’t really so bad.
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I thought, in other words, that the forces of misogyny were willing to make Harvey Weinstein something a sacrificial lamb, a man they were willing to concede was an abuser, so long as they could also maintain that none of the innumerable less brazen or egregious offenses other men commit are worthy of censure. I thought that they were willing to concede, at least, that a man of incredible power who allegedly used that power to coerce and force sex from dozens of unconsenting women was unacceptable, that he should not be welcome in the community. I was wrong.
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Critics of the #MeToo movement have described being accused of sexual assault as akin to summary execution for a man, and have loudly bemoaned men’s ruined careers and social deaths. But these men are not dead. They are very much still alive, and in many cases they are still working. They will not go away, and they seem unwilling, even, to stop demanding our attention, stop showing up uninvited in our newsfeeds, on our television screens, and in the comedy bars where we go to have a laugh and relax. We’re told they’re dead, but they keep appearing everywhere, still here and still very much capable of inflicting further harm. In the set that got her booed at the Downtime Bar, Bachman compared Weinstein to the horror villain Freddy Krueger, and in his zombielike ability to reemerge and torment women where they expect to be at ease, this comparison seems particularly apt.

So, another INNOCENT MAN WHOS LIFE WAS RUINED BY THE FMEMINIST LYNCH MOBS... for about a few months before he was back at it again.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Harvey Weinstein’s night out looks a lot like the groundwork for a comeback

Weinstein’s been going out in public a lot lately.

www.vox.com

Harvey Weinstein was a sacrificial lamb for misogyny. And now he's back | Moira Donegan

Weinstein’s presence at a New York bar is the latest in a string of increasingly brazen returns to public life by men who were credibly accused of sexual assault

www.theguardian.com

So, another INNOCENT MAN WHOS LIFE WAS RUINED BY THE FMEMINIST LYNCH MOBS... for about a few months before he was back at it again.

Pathetic.

I don't think anyone here likes Weinstein.

Hollywood is full of SJW/leftist hypocrites. They are on your side.

 

[Nitramy]

>implying we'd actually defend a creeper like Weinstein

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for those precious gotcha points, aren't you?

 

[Cherico]

Harvey Weinstein’s night out looks a lot like the groundwork for a comeback

Weinstein’s been going out in public a lot lately.

www.vox.com

Harvey Weinstein was a sacrificial lamb for misogyny. And now he's back | Moira Donegan

Weinstein’s presence at a New York bar is the latest in a string of increasingly brazen returns to public life by men who were credibly accused of sexual assault

www.theguardian.com

So, another INNOCENT MAN WHOS LIFE WAS RUINED BY THE FMEMINIST LYNCH MOBS... for about a few months before he was back at it again.

Weinstein was a male feminist, his whole thing just kind of proved our point.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Weinstein was a male feminist, his whole thing just kind of proved our point.

Male Feminists Respect Women

When they do something that goes against respecting women, they are no longer Male Feminists, so Harvey Weinstein is not a Male Feminist and thus he is a Conservative

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Male Feminists Respect Women

When they do something that goes against respecting women, they are no longer Male Feminists, so Harvey Weinstein is not a Male Feminist and thus he is a Conservative

Excellent. Now you are getting it. If its something the left doesn't like, its automatically right wing and conservative even if said thing is actually left wing.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Excellent. Now you are getting it. If its something the left doesn't like, its automatically right wing and conservative even if said thing is actually left wing.

Which Young Turks member said he was a “conservative” when he was harrassing a woman and apologised later on by saying he was a “conservative” before and now he’s changed?

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Which Young Turks member said he was a “conservative” when he was harrassing a woman and apologised later on by saying he was a “conservative” before and now he’s changed?

Don't know. I don't watch them.

 

[Darmani]

that the forces of misogyny were willing to make Harvey Weinstein something a sacrificial lamb, a man they were willing to concede was an abuser

And now I'm kind of done. This is ultimately the problem. Harvey Weinstein was an elite powerful member held in high regard of society his crimes are being used to broadly paint all men who are not part of the hate mob with the exact same brush with the implication that we are a conspiracy to Aid or abet in his behavior

This is the reason why I don't like hashtag movements. they're all about riling up groups of people for outrage and then trying to aim that towards some tangible accomplishment. but they try to bump numbers by making everything a minimal participation and ease of entry

As an example MSU had a doctor that was sexually harassing or abusing patients for over a Dozen Years. Despite the fact that our policy hasn't really changed he was able to get away with this because he had considerable Authority and was taking advantage of people in an intimate situation where they did not feel safe to come out with what had happen.
Surelytalkin heads when they know that their words could possibly held against them make sure to avoid out-and-out saying that these abusers did so with the approval participation and Aid of the greater male society that they've called the patriarchy
Or the misogynists conspiracy or whatever they want to use. But they love to make it an easy inference.
When talking to the common man they know they can't be held accountable to this is when they say stuff like the above. That everyone isn't really paying attention and ultimately is okay with what happened. As if somehow Harvey Weinstein's sexual abuse benefited everyone else

 

[Lanmandragon]

And now I'm kind of done. This is ultimately the problem. Harvey Weinstein was an elite powerful member held in high regard of society his crimes are being used to board a paid all men who are not part of the hate mob with the exact same brush with the implication that was somehow in conspiracy to Aid or abet in his behavior

This is the reason why I don't like hashtag movements they're all about riling up groups of people for outrage and then trying to aim that towards some tangible accomplishment. but they try to bump numbers by making everything a minimal participation and ease of entry

As an example MSU had a doctor that was sexually harassing or abusing patients for over a Dozen Years. Despite the fact that our policy hasn't really changed he was able to get away with this because he had considerable Authority and was taking an two people in an intimate situation where they did not feel safe to come out with what it happen. The me to talkin heads when they know that their words could possibly held against them make sure to avoid out-and-out saying that these abusers did so with the approval participation and Aid of the greater male society that they've called the patriarchy
Or the misogynists conspiracy or whatever they want to use
Guess I'm talking to the common man but they know they can't be held accountable to this is the stuff that they say. That everyone isn't really paying attention and ultimately is okay with what happened. As if somehow Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse benefited everyone else

That's because the folks who push this stuff are collectivists. So since Weinstein is a cis white male. That means each and every cis white male is responsible for his actions.

 

[Captain X]

Which Young Turks member said he was a “conservative” when he was harrassing a woman and apologised later on by saying he was a “conservative” before and now he’s changed?

The buffalo himself - Cenk.

 

[JagerIV]

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Is this story just "guy who isn't in jail goes out to eat"?

What am I missing here? Did they expect him to simply vanish from reality once he was accused? If he's not in jail, the man still has to eat, and he's not broke, so he can eat fancy.

What the hell is the controversy?

 

[prinCZess]

Is this story just "guy who isn't in jail goes out to eat"?

I think a major or even central component of it is lingering problems with the way Weinstein got away with it for years because of the aiding, abetting, and downplaying or sidelining of Hollywood (see Woody Allen or Roman Polanski as similar, earlier instances of the same phenomenon, or perhaps even Bill COsby), and perhaps to a lesser degree the fact that he can pop out fat stacks of cash as bail and get to faff about eating fancy where virtually any other person similarly accused would be quite incapable of doing so (and how that fed into or even creates the prior issue).

Like, guys who aren't in jail are still quite capable of being immense douchebags, and in Weinstein's case a major reason for why he's not in jail is because of a culture he's headlined for decades in Hollywood and a personal fame & fortune born from that culture which allows him to actively or passively silence accusers, whistleblowers, critics and, by extension, the law.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I think a major or even central component of it is lingering problems with the way Weinstein got away with it for years because of the aiding, abetting, and downplaying or sidelining of Hollywood (see Woody Allen or Roman Polanski as similar, earlier instances of the same phenomenon, or perhaps even Bill COsby), and perhaps to a lesser degree the fact that he can pop out fat stacks of cash as bail and get to faff about eating fancy where virtually any other person similarly accused would be quite incapable of doing so (and how that fed into or even creates the prior issue).

Like, guys who aren't in jail are still quite capable of being immense douchebags, and in Weinstein's case a major reason for why he's not in jail is because of a culture he's headlined for decades in Hollywood and a personal fame & fortune born from that culture which allows him to actively or passively silence accusers, whistleblowers, critics and, by extension, the law.

The funny thing is that Hollywood is left. They are all fucking left.

And yet we mere forum members, video game and anime/manga fans are blamed for this. Hollywood hates all of us. Why is this our fault?

 

[Lanmandragon]

The funny thing is that Hollywood is left. They are all fucking left.

And yet we mere forum members, video game and anime/manga fans are blamed for this. Hollywood hates all of us. Why is this our fault?

Because "how dare you digustsing peasents do the thing we do". Combined with acussing others of what your doing ala Alinisky.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The funny thing is that Hollywood is left. They are all fucking left.

And yet we mere forum members, video game and anime/manga fans are blamed for this. Hollywood hates all of us. Why is this our fault?

Because obviously, criminals are supposed to be proud and righteous and never hiding their beliefs about other people

They claim that we’re saying all that stuff and painting us as the “Moustache Twirling Cartoon Villain” and denying when our actual reason is more complex and reasonable

Dangerous Sexual Predators are NOT supposed to be repeatedly going on about how they’re Pro-Women and how much they respect them and want them to be around

 

[Lanmandragon]

Because obviously, criminals are supposed to be proud and righteous and never hiding their beliefs about other people

They claim that we’re saying all that stuff and painting us as the “Moustache Twirling Cartoon Villain” and denying when our actual reason is more complex and reasonable

Dangerous Sexual Predators are NOT supposed to be repeatedly going on about how they’re Pro-Women and how much they respect them and want them to be around

Considering the number of so called "male feminists". Who turn out to be predators of some stripe. I'd say a dude going on about "women's rights". Would be and is a warning sign that he's a predator.