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How good is the Mass Effect "EU" I've read the first too books. But I've heard horror stories about Mass Effect Deception. I even have an old google doc that catalogued every canon error in Deception. Too bad we're not going to get more tie-ins.

I've got the two Mass Effect library editions of the comics which collected the various stories as well as putting in a few one offs like a Blasto the Hanar Spectre story as a laugh. The library editions are the best due to presentation and having things like authors and illustrators notes as well as concept art etc.
 

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My first thought when i saw Miranda (who was based on Yvonne Stahovski no less) was “geez, do they dress all the ladies in Cerberus like that? They should have no problem with recruitment then.”

It wasn’t like BioWare wasn’t self aware of it all, with all the lingering camera shots on her “attributes” along with quips from characters like one Asari merc who said “I was just waiting for you to get dressed, or does Cerberus let you whore around in that outfit?”
Personally, I have no problem with the fan service, and I kind of roll my eyes whenever the usual feminist talking points about it come up. I was way more bothered by the fact they didn't have space suits for the characters for when they were supposed to be out in space. Like, I didn't mind that Jack was basically topless, but it was stupid that they carried that through and just gave her a mask for when she was supposed to be in a vacuum or in a hazardous environment that should require a suit, and that's what I'd criticize it for. In ME1 they managed to have different models for that, so why the step back?

What an articulate video. This must be from before he turned into a stereotypical SJW spending all day complaining about American politics on Twitter and Reddit despite being Canadian.
I do agree what was said there and here, ME2 was fun but it really "streamlined" the gameplay experience too much. I've also noted that the tone became raunchier in ME2. Didn't really like that.
Never played Me3 or Andromeda. I will say that the Face-heel turn of Cerberus from morally ambiguous good guys to Reaper assets felt out of nowhere.
How good is the Mass Effect "EU" I've read the first too books. But I've heard horror stories about Mass Effect Deception. I even have an old google doc that catalogued every canon error in Deception. Too bad we're not going to get more tie-ins.
I'm rather disappointed he went SJW myself. I used to rather enjoy his videos, and this Mass Effect one is the reason I even found him to begin with.

Honestly, I had problems with Cerberus being made into basically good guys by downplaying and retconning basically everything about them from the first game. Shepard's attitude toward them isn't even that much different if he/she had that survivor background from the first game, where they literally experimented on him/her and killed his/her entire squad. They also went from a clandestine black ops group that hardly anyone had even heard of which made all its unmarked ships from untraceable spare parts to this huge organization that had ships and stations everywhere, all kinds of personnel who wore actual uniforms, and proudly slapped their logo on everything, and suddenly everyone has heard of them and just considers them to be terrorists. Then in the third game they not only go unambiguously evil, but get even more ridiculously massive. And that's just my problems with Cerberus. There were a ton of changes between the two games I really didn't like. They're still fun to play, but their stories and world building just don't fit with the first game at all, and frankly I feel like they wasted the second game by essentially turning it into a soft reboot.

Say, how much of the Mass Effect fanbase is SJW to begin with? I think most gamers or ones who are also youtubers or physically around others much went SJW due to their Far-Left-Leaning politics
Apparently not that many of them since Andromeda performed rather badly. Personally I found it hilarious, and so wonderfully typical that they were more worried about romance options and identity politics than they were about the game actually working correctly.
 
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CarlManvers2019

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Apparently not that many of them since Andromeda performed rather badly. Personally I found it hilarious, and so wonderfully typical that they were more worried about romance options and identity politics than they were about the game actually working correctly.

When it comes to fanbases or fandoms, I’m sorta realizing there maybe a gap between the ones we see online so often and those who aren’t
 

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The ones who are pushing the SJW crap aren't actual fans, and any company that panders to them is wasting their time and money doing so. All you're going to get out of them is a few kudos until one of them notices you didn't quite go far enough on something else for them. Even if you made something that was ideologically perfect for them, they still aren't going to buy copies or tickets - they'll just crow about how they managed to bully a company into going along with what they wanted. It's why they're screeching so hard now at Sonic and the Snyder cut, because those are examples of things being changed to please the actual fans and they hate that.

An example I might use is how fans of nuTrek and nuStar Wars can't help but trash the classics - because they aren't really fans of it. Sure, they'll try to gaslight people by claiming "Star Trek was always progressive" if someone complains about the modern identity politics being shoved into nuTrek, but if any of them actually bothered to had seen older Trek, they can't help but bitch about how "ist" or "phobe" it was. So IMO, they aren't fans.
 

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Say, how much of the Mass Effect fanbase is SJW to begin with? I think most gamers or ones who are also youtubers or physically around others much went SJW due to their Far-Left-Leaning politics
I've spent quite some time on DeviantArt browsing Mass Effect fanart and occasionally exchanging messages with fanartists. So bearing in mind that:
1. That place is a rather Liberal hangout, although very much "live and let live"-Liberals, who never miss an opportunity to signal their support for LGBT causes and the like, yet also overwhelmingly oppose the neoPuritanism of the modern Left.
2. Between 80-90% of the artists there a female.
The gist from them was that, they are overwhelmingly in favour of "equal opportunity fanservice". As long as they get characters like open-shirt Thane and Garrus, they don't mind female eye candy at all. Plenty of them enjoy looking at both.

So by engaging in selective tunnel vision, you could conclude that a huge part of the ME fanbase is "progressive" young women. Yet their actual likes and dislikes are quite different from what woke corporations catering to SJWs would assume them to be.
 

CarlManvers2019

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So by engaging in selective tunnel vision, you could conclude that a huge part of the ME fanbase is "progressive" young women. Yet their actual likes and dislikes are quite different from what woke corporations catering to SJWs would assume them to be.

I guess they should look at the horrors I saw from Tumblr instead to justify their mindset.....yeah they ironically insult LGBT and other minorities with their art
 

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So given I'm reading this fanfic for about the seventh time, and loved it every time, I figured it deserves a long, well written recommendation so that other people will read it. I'll probably repost this in other places, because more people need to read this.

The fic is Something Blue, by Hamhammer.

So there are a few key parts that make this fic amazing.

First and least importantly, this is a somewhat reconstruction fic, which adds little things to make the plot make more sense. For example, Shepard doesn't trust the visions just put into her head, but instead does some quick research to see if there is any evidence that Prothean relics actual do anything like this. Turns out there is, and it's written by Liara (hence why Shepard goes to save her first). Other things are even more subtle, and used to flesh out the world. For example, take the comlink. Shepard notes that she has one implanted in her ear, which was paid for by the Systems Alliance. She likes it because it is convenient, the SA likes it because it means she's always on call. This isn't just a cool factiod, but it help builds a picture of SA's and Shepard's relationship (I'll get into that later). There are countless small details like this, which enhance the story without being a distraction.

But that alone wouldn't be a reason to read this fic. I mean, it doesn't adjust the plot of Mass Effect at all, even using as much of the same dialogue as it can. So why am I recommending what seems like a Let's Play? Because it's not a Let's Play. Instead, it hijacks the plot of Mass Effect to tell a wildly different story, one about a monster and the characters around her discovering this.

You see, Shepard isn't a good person. Some characters even wonder how much of a person she is. Shepard is a sociopath, but one being blackmailed to work for the Alliance because of her biotic potential. And although the higher ups know, most of the people on the Normandy don't. But each character interacts with Shepard, and has their own reactions and path as they learn more about her. It's almost like a bunch of different mystery novels happening at the same time, as each character puts together a different set of clues. Some find out all at once (like Dr. Chakwas, who is given her medical file). Others have to slowly compile information. Some never have the chance to put it together before they die (Looking at you, Jenkins). Meanwhile, Shepard is balances her true self with a need to hide what she is, while always putting herself and what interests her first, in some casual chilling internal monologues.

Overall, this is an amazing story that I can't recommend enough.
 

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I absolutely hate Fem Shepard. Sorry, will have to pass.
 

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I absolutely hate Fem Shepard. Sorry, will have to pass.
You're missing out on some good fics, but to each their own. In the fics defense, it does go into the limitations that she faces being female and tiny (she makes up for it with biotics, intelligence, and ruthlessness (and post-bootcamp, standard genemods for soldiers)), noting that she barely passed basic's hand-to-hand with the pugil sticks, given her lack of upper body strength.
 
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You're missing out on some good fics, but to each their own. In the fics defense, it does go into the limitations that she faces being female and tiny (she makes up for it with biotics, intelligence, and ruthlessness), noting that she barely passed basics hand to hand with the pugil sticks, given her lack of upper body strength.


I think its the same cause that makes me Leary of RWBY and Worm. I had to deal with the fandom as a Moderator. And a lot of what people was writing would make you sick to your stomach. With FemShepard it was always about Who she was banging, her having a Lesbian Harem or her being Polyamorous. It just turned me off to the concept of FemShepard when the focus is inevitably her sexuality.

Male Shepard doesn't have that issue, for the most part. His stories are are action and adventure or scifi crossovers. THAT is the heart of the stories I love. Romance being an after thought rather than the focus. Ya know?
 

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Male Shepard doesn't have that issue, for the most part. His stories are are action and adventure or scifi crossovers. THAT is the heart of the stories I love. Romance being an after thought rather than the focus. Ya know?
Oh, I totally get it, and can assure you that romance, while it might exist in the future, is by no means the focus. On the other hand, calling this an action adventure isn't really accurate either. It has that, but the action adventure is really a backdrop for the characters to discover the monster, so it's more of a mystery story? Except the reader already knows the answer to the mystery, the characters don't. It's hard to pigeon hole the genre, but it's really the only one of its kind in Mass Effect fanfiction.

It lists a pairing with Liara, that I doubt that will happen for a while, and while isn't quite an afterthought, it definitely doesn't take over the story. This story consciously makes the decision that games plot (hunt down saren, stop reapers, etc) isn't what this story is about, instead it is really a bunch of interlocking stories about each characters different ways of interacting with and discovering the monster that is Shepard. And each character has their own unique way of interacting with Shepard and discovering the monster. So Liara's story is the romance part of this, but that is just one of multiple different stories. I'd argue that Garrus's plot is more central and definitely my favorite by far.
Liara initially had a hero based crush on Shepard, because Shepard rescued her like a knight (or Justicar, as she refers to it) in shining armor. Her interactions with Shepard all have a hero-based crush element to them when we see it through Liara's POV (which is very different than interactions from Shepard's POV), with a definite element of Liara happily walking down a dark path, and having some darkness of her own (given she canonly becomes the Shadow Broker later, this makes sense). This lasts up until she has the canon meld with Shepard post Feros and she quickly realizes a) Shepard is no hero, and b) the horrible position she's in.

EDIT: @Spartan303 : If you do read it, do tell me if you liked it!
 
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I think its the same cause that makes me Leary of RWBY and Worm. I had to deal with the fandom as a Moderator. And a lot of what people was writing would make you sick to your stomach. With FemShepard it was always about Who she was banging, her having a Lesbian Harem or her being Polyamorous. It just turned me off to the concept of FemShepard when the focus is inevitably her sexuality.

Male Shepard doesn't have that issue, for the most part. His stories are are action and adventure or scifi crossovers. THAT is the heart of the stories I love. Romance being an after thought rather than the focus. Ya know?
Grim. The only good femshep ship is Garrus, and only after the bro out on the citadel. Everything else is heretical.

As an aside: I'm replaying all four games, and the first one is really weird. Like I remember the plot, and the characters and such; but replaying it years later I realize that I've not remembered the actual 'game' all that much. It's combat is bizarre and reminds me oddly of ghost recon; the power system is so broken, the ability to absolutely alpha strike any enemy by chucking a dozen abilities down range at once in rapid fire is hilarious.

The character animations are also complete trash; maybe back when it first came out they were good, but they have aged like milk. Still a 10/10 game in my book though. It's weird seeing characters like Liara, Garrus, and Tali in their arcs inception. Wrex is still just as good as I recall and his scene on the beach is great. I love all his little sarcastic quips and remarks.

I'm also still holding out for a ME:A DLC, or even a sequel. Andromeda wasn't great, but I'll take another one.

EDIT: Normandy SR-1 is a sexy, sexy ship. She's sleeker and feels far more 'shippy' than the SR-2 does. I much prefer her in ME1 than in 2.
 

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For me, Mass Effect 2 is probably the best mix of gameplay and story, but that's mostly because I wasn't particularly interested in the Reaper plot. I'd pegged them as "Lovecraft + (Stargate Atlantis) Wraith ripoffs" at the end of ME1 and figured they'd get taken out in the final game, so I glommed on to the character stories and exploration of the setting.

That said, I was mostly okay with the Collector plot, although they really needed to explain what the goal of creating the Human Reaper was more than not at all. My head canon was that it was a replacement for Sovereign, but I have no idea if that was the intent, and the whole "the Reapers flew back to the Milky Way in less than a year" thing makes that make no sense.

Andromeda was interesting in terms of its gameplay changes, but they had some godawful UIs, and just about everything sucked because pre-production was a total shitfest and they crunched for like 18 months to 2 years to get what they had going. It also had a terrible name, which made sound way bigger than it could ever deliver on, and most of the emotion/adventure evoking stuff was in the ads/video intros to the various features, not the actual game itself.

Played ME1 and a bit of ME2.

For me, the quality started to drop in ME2. For me, it was the really pathetic shoehorn of putting Shepard in a private company's ripoff of the Normandy. If you need a remodel of the ship for gameplay, just give him a new ship. The Normandy was a prototype anyway. I just never really got into the whole "Look at me, I'm a military war hero abandoning my post so I can pay back some nefarious private company..."

And while I get the whole Lovecraft angle they were going for in the second game, the main story was really not all that engaging and didn't really match the atmosphere of the first game. It wasn't a terrible game, it just wasn't really able to keep me engaged. And to be honest, I think the popularity of the Halo franchise sort of undercut them to begin with. The whole "sci-fi unstoppable eldritch horror" thing was already being done by Halo. Even if Halo was doing it in a more sort of Doom fashion, where as ME was going for the Lovecraft vibe.
 

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Grim. The only good femshep ship is Garrus, and only after the bro out on the citadel. Everything else is heretical.
Lol, I do think that's a great ship. It maybe could have worked here, but it would have ended horribly. Instead, the Garrus/Shepard interactions are some of the highlights of this fic as Garrus slowly finds out what a monster FemShep is.
The author is doing some really cool stuff in regards to Garrus. Usually, Garrus is just the cowboy cop turned up to 11, despite some warnings from his former boss. In this, he is quickly watching what someone with unchecked authority and no morals other can and will do, and it isn't pretty, but Garrus is still tempted. It's a very different take on the usual Garrus Shepard friendship/relationship, and one that I don't know where exactly it will head. Everything just came to a head in the latest chapter, with Saleon (the organ harvester side mission from ME1), and it's really good.

@Senor Hortler BTW, the request to @ me or pm me if you do end up reading it goes out to you also, and everyone else on this board. It's one of my favorite non-comedy fics for all the subtle ways it is good, and I'd love to discuss it with others.
 
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And while I get the whole Lovecraft angle they were going for in the second game
That was a thing they established in the first game. Like, that was literally the entire point of the Virimire confrontation with Sovereign.
The whole "sci-fi unstoppable eldritch horror" thing was already being done by Halo.
Honestly, Dead Space did it better than both... but they made their whole franchise revolve around that. Mass Effect's problem was that they made the Lovecraft stuff foundational to a more traditional space opera setting, which backfires when you have the Lovecraft stuff play a key role in the current events of the setting.

Like, 99% of the problems with Mass Effect as a franchise come from the fact that they hamstrung themselves with that Reaper plot, when they could've just had them be a backstory element and do a different plot in each game to explore and flesh out the universe.
 

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You're missing out on some good fics, but to each their own. In the fics defense, it does go into the limitations that she faces being female and tiny (she makes up for it with biotics, intelligence, and ruthlessness (and post-bootcamp, standard genemods for soldiers)), noting that she barely passed basic's hand-to-hand with the pugil sticks, given her lack of upper body strength.

You know, I'm sorta surprised that with all the Warhammer Crossovers, I haven't seen a fic where she's a Sister of Battle or something. Already shares a boobplate.

I've seen some Mass Effect crossovers wherein Shepard was a Primarch, an Inquisitor and a Space Marine, can't recall all
 

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Like, 99% of the problems with Mass Effect as a franchise come from the fact that they hamstrung themselves with that Reaper plot, when they could've just had them be a backstory element and do a different plot in each game to explore and flesh out the universe.
They didn't realize that leaving things unexplained is an integral part of lovecraft.
 

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They didn't realize that leaving things unexplained is an integral part of lovecraft.
It's not even leaving things unexplained, they literally didn't get that you can't have the space opera stuff and the Lovecraft stuff exist in the same narrative space-time without one of two outcomes:
-The complete destruction of the Lovecraftian
-The complete destruction of the space opera

And both outcomes involve completely fucking up the setting in the process and possibly killing all the characters the audience cares about. If your goal is to create a franchise that can last for decades, there's literally no reason to make it revolve around an antagonist that will fundamentally fuck up the two main pillars of any successful long-term franchise (the world and the characters).
 

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I have another story to suggest. It is called Shepherd of the Stars on fanfiction. It is a crossover with Sword of the Stars and I think it did the idea of a morally grey conflict between the Council and and Sword of the Stars races very well. It makes humans and the other Orion races antagonistic to the Citadel without making them overpowered. It is a great read, if a bit heavy on the lore, though it unfortunately has not updated since 2015.
 

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That was a thing they established in the first game. Like, that was literally the entire point of the Virimire confrontation with Sovereign.

Yes, but they were different Lovecraft stories. The Reapers were more of a "Call of Cthulu" sort of story, with the direct threat awakening and trying to devour the world--saved only by the smallest of chances. The Collectors were more of a "Shadow over Innsmouth" story.

Honestly, Dead Space did it better than both... but they made their whole franchise revolve around that. Mass Effect's problem was that they made the Lovecraft stuff foundational to a more traditional space opera setting, which backfires when you have the Lovecraft stuff play a key role in the current events of the setting.

Like, 99% of the problems with Mass Effect as a franchise come from the fact that they hamstrung themselves with that Reaper plot, when they could've just had them be a backstory element and do a different plot in each game to explore and flesh out the universe.

I think it's more of an issue with tone clarity. Part of why ME1 worked better than its predecessors was that ME1 started out with the Star Trek/Halo tone, then shifted toward the Lovecraft tone as its twist. The problem was that with ME2, they tried to retain both of those tones, while achieving neither. After realizing they couldn't, it almost seemed like they wanted to lean into the Lovecraftian nature of the Reapers, but they did it entirely with a Star Trek/Halo tone.

Part of the trick with Lovecraft stories is that you never actually pull the curtain fully back. You're supposed to give the audience half of the clues, then let their terrified imagination fill in the rest for you. The retards over at Bioware decided it was a good idea to tell you everything about the Reapers, including their favorite color and song preferences.

And of course, Andromeda was just a worthless pile of dogshit.
 

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