Culture In Defense of the Big Top: Why I think it's tragic That the Circus Has Been All but Erased From the American Culture

What it says in the title. It seems like Just ten years ago it wasn't hard to find to find articles about the various "Greatest shows on earth." whether it be news articles, videos, people posting Dark Fantasy fics, costumes. then it seems like somewhere in 2014 something happened. Not only did people seem suddenly stop finding wonder in it, but suddenly word words "offense and cruel" started to pop up.

the Barnum & Bailey Circus officially shut its doors in 2017 and it seems like since then the circus has just thoroughly been scrubbed from the American culture. Even in the internet where "Things never die." anytime I try to look up the circus or merlin forbid "Circus freaks" I'm met with broken links or that one season of American horror story that Chrissy Metz (or as she's sadly more well known, "That one chick from This Is Us." was in. Now adays if you type in the circus, it's all outside of American.

I don't know. There's something about this I just find sad. While The circus I don't think was ever as popular as baseball it did have a prominent place within American culture, and it still holds a place of wonder for me both in the fantasy sense and in a real sense. Where else are you going to see a clown perform daredevil like tricks, or lions and tigers and bears all within a few feet from each other. Not to mention people riding elephants. I can't help but think even in the time of video games and the internet that there should still be a place for things like this. Heck even more so now.

the most common arguments I've heard against the circus is as follows.

1. "Circus freaks" are common everyday people. Not only are people like "A fat lady" and "a tattooed man." common site, but marginalizing them and treating them like zoo exhibits is cruel and wrong.

It's true that these sorts of oddities are more commonplace nowadays, you want to see a 500 lb man or woman, go to your nearest Wal-Mart. You want to see a man or woman covered head to toe in tattoos and piercings go to LA or San fran, but I'd argue that in spite of such things being more commonplace now, the circus still would grants such people one thing that everyday America would never provide. That is a sense of gravitas.

Take a look at Dolly Dimples. Even if you don't recognize her name right off the bat, you've more than likely seen her image invoked. her real name was Celesta Herrmann and she was born in Cincinnati on July 18, 1901. She was nothing too out of the ordinary aside from the fact that she was a little short, (4ft 11 in to be exact) she really didn't gain weight until she met a fat admirer named Frank Geyer. At the time she weighed 150 lbs. the two fell in love and she'd blow up by 100 lbs as a result. the happy couple would visit a traveling carnival outside of Detroit called "The Happy land carnival" where Celesta would discover that she outweighed the Circus's "world's fattest lady" by about 50 lbs (Yeah hard to believe there was a time were weighing 200 lbs was enough to get you dubbed as "The World's fattest woman" and no one would question it.) She was offered a job on the spot, thus her career in showmanship was jumpstarted.

seemingly enjoying her newfound attention, she decided to try to make herself an even bigger attraction, quite literally. It's often said she'd consume about 10,000 calories daily to try to bulk herself up. Eventually she would catch the attention of the Ringling Bros. Circus and at the height of her popularity in the 30s, she weighed approximately 555 lbs.

After suffering a heart attack in 1950 she decided to shed the weight and shed it she did. She lost 443 lbs, became a prominent author and fitness guru, has The Guinness Book of World Record for losing the most weight in the shortest amount of time and lived to be over 80 years old. Heart attack aside I'd say she had a pretty good run.

by today's standard, even for her height her weight doesn't seem that out of the ordinary. Heck nowadays we have a whole cable channel dedicated to pointing and laughing at such people and we ironically call it "The Learning Channel" really, even for her time she wasn't the lady with the biggest BMI in town, and yet while at the Circus all eyes were on her while she was performing. Yes, there was some pointing and laughing, but there was also a sense of wonder and imagination, something you'd never get from junky reality tv.

and that's just one performing trope. You know a group of people that's getting increasingly marginalized and having a hard time finding work? Those that suffer from dwarfism. there was just recently a story about how Peter Dinklage has gotten ripped apart by other dwarves because he's now potentially cut off another avenue for them to work in because "dwarves in fantasy are offensive" and because he spoke before thinking there is a possibility that Disney will now scarp the 7 dwarves in their upcoming Snow White movie, which means you now have seven people that were not only cut off from having a well-paying gig, but also cut off them off from the ability to raise awareness about Achondroplasia and promote themselves. (Now there is a conspiracy about whether this was purposely done on Peter's part because he doesn't want the competition, but that's a topic for another time)

Now let me be clear, I'm not saying everyone that suffers from Achondroplasia needs to join the circus and become a clown or a stunt performer and I can't say I speak for anybody. I'm just someone on the outside looking in, but what I think I can say is that everyone has to start somewhere and giving people such as these more avenues to promote themselves and show the world what they can do can't hurt. Yes, money is important and yes programs to help the disabled exist, but what welfare programs can't provide is a sense of agency. It can't provide an avenue where people are treated more like a wonder and less like a joke (Again, but what looking at you reality television)

even ignoring all of that, you still have Strongmen, you still have acrobats, you still have magicians. People seem to be focused on the pointing and laughing reality TV part of the circus that they've forgotten it's also (and possibly more importantly) theater and showmanship, something that in spite of the age of CGI and virtual reality seems to be gravely missing in today's entertainment.

2. "Animal abuse is rampant in the circus, and it should not be encouraged or supported."

I won't actually argue against this, nor will I defend the practice. I don't know near enough about animal care and from what I have heard from actual experts, the conditions and treatment of most circus animals was pretty abhorrent both for the animals and often the young interns that had to help care for them. I don't think that should be encouraged or supported.

That doesn't mean the baby should be thrown out with the bath water. There are animals out there that do have a natural disposition to show off. and there are animal trainers and caretakers that actually know what they are doing. Not only can these sorts of things help animals that may naturally be endangered they can and have help sparked people's passion for nature and create a new generation of nature conversationalist. This is a case where Professionalism needs to be encouraged

3. "We've grown past that sort of thing and don't need such lowbrow entertainment anymore.

Las Vegas and "America's got Talent" says hi.
 
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Cherico

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that's fair. I guess I just don't like the cultural stock that's come from the digital culture particularly social media.

Social media is garbage, expecially the way its been politically weaponized against anyone who isn't a part of the social justice cult. And thats what it is a cult.

But that fact doesn't save the circus, the circus life style is something your more or less born into. Its a pretty mamoth undertaking where you essentally get a small towns worth of performers and support personal and move them around the country. And every time you move you have to arrange deals with every town along the way, you have to manage your logistics and you have to make enough of a profit to support yourself your performers and support personal on top of it.

In a less regulated america that was possible, but in todays america? Where buracracts hatefully fuck over every one they can to vent their splean about the disatisfaction with their own lifes and to enjoy the sadism of fucking you over? With Nimbys and Karens and self rightous assholes who understand nothing about your culture and way of life but want to destroy you so they can look more virtuous to people who don't know them and dont care about them?

And this is before the circus had to compete with numerous other forms of entertainment.

Its honestly a miracle they lasted as long as they did.
 

ShadowArxxy

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That's really the thing -- a traveling circus has absolutely massive logistical footprint and operating costs, which were sustainable in the era where a visiting circus was pretty much guaranteed to make money in every town it stopped at because nothing else offered that kind of entertainment, where people could put their everyday troubles out of mind and be immersed in show biz spectacle for a day or two.

Y'know what really killed the circus, or at least was the beginning of the end? Television. Because television wasn't nearly as good, but it brought escape entertainment into the comfort of your own home, anytime you wanted it, and for a one-time purchase cost. That basically took the economic legs out from under the circus; it went from being *the* entertainment venue, to simply being *an* entertainment option.
 

Cherico

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Allow me to point out that the "less regulated" days also produced the sheer horror that was the Hartford Circus Fire.

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Ive seen what over regulation does to people I will take my chances with under regulation.
 
I'm not even advocating for the days of the traveling circus. I get that that's not particularly viable, but I don't see why there aren't circus's in any major cities like Austin TX, San Fran, branson missouri ect.
 

ShadowArxxy

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I'm not even advocating for the days of the traveling circus. I get that that's not particularly viable, but I don't see why there aren't circus's in any major cities like Austin TX, San Fran, branson missouri ect.

A non-travelling circus set up on a permanent basis in a large city is an amusement park. . . and these in their turn were very successful, both in their vintage incarnation and in the modern form of theme parks. Honestly, it's kind of funny how people think those are so different; theme parks are literally just a newer generation of amusement parks.
 
A non-travelling circus set up on a permanent basis in a large city is an amusement park. . . and these in their turn were very successful, both in their vintage incarnation and in the modern form of theme parks. Honestly, it's kind of funny how people think those are so different; theme parks are literally just a newer generation of amusement parks.

probably because theme parks feel really corporate & sleek with more focus being put on thrill rides and roller coasters. As someone who lives next to a fair, the differnce between it and somthing like Six Flags or Disney World is night and day.
 

ShadowArxxy

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probably because theme parks feel really corporate & sleek with more focus being put on thrill rides and roller coasters. As someone who lives next to a fair, the differnce between it and somthing like Six Flags or Disney World is night and day.

That's a fair point, but it's also partly a difference between a smaller amusement park and a larger one. The larger old-school amusement parks like Coney Island or Jantzen Beach did have both many more rides and more thrilling rides than a small fair would. Six Flags also has a very disproportionate number of roller coasters because it's specialized as a roller coaster park; Disneyland in contrast has many "big ticket" rides, but only three actual roller coasters (Space Mountain, the Matterhorn Bobsleds, and Thunder Mountain).
 
That's a fair point, but it's also partly a difference between a smaller amusement park and a larger one. The larger old-school amusement parks like Coney Island or Jantzen Beach did have both many more rides and more thrilling rides than a small fair would. Six Flags also has a very disproportionate number of roller coasters because it's specialized as a roller coaster park; Disneyland in contrast has many "big ticket" rides, but only three actual roller coasters (Space Mountain, the Matterhorn Bobsleds, and Thunder Mountain).

that's why I specifically mentioned the corporate aspect.
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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It sucks that there just doesn't seem to be good outdoor events in general.

There was the local rodeo. Watching guys try to ride bulls was fun for 20 minutes, but then after you've seen it once or twice you've seen it all. Horse races are really boring, as the horses zoom past you in about 5 seconds... and then you have to wait a minute for them to loop around the track and come past you again. Monster trucks are really, really, really loud holy crap my ears hurt. Watching Robosaurus eat cars and breathe fire was cool. Walking through a zoo is sorta interesting once every few years, but I'd imagine seeing a circus act with the animals would be way more engaging. I think I liked roller coaster rides when I was a kid. Now I don't like them at all (except for slow rides like the water log ride at Knott's Berry Farm or the rides at Legoland).

As someone who lives next to a fair, the differnce between it and somthing like Six Flags or Disney World is night and day.

What kind of stuff do they do at your fair? Here, fairs are usually boring. The LA and Orange Country fairs are hours of walking around in hot summer heat, staring at arts and crafts shows or paying $4 to play a 2 minute game, and it's crowded. And they often have rides but they're pretty meh. Watching a dog competition was fun. Smaller fairs don't tend to have much good stuff either. At one fair that was near where I was, there was a straw maze, but sadly I think that fair closed up. There's Tom's Farms, but it's just a bunch of restaurants and occasionally a band plays.
 
It sucks that there just doesn't seem to be good outdoor events in general.

There was the local rodeo. Watching guys try to ride bulls was fun for 20 minutes, but then after you've seen it once or twice you've seen it all. Horse races are really boring, as the horses zoom past you in about 5 seconds... and then you have to wait a minute for them to loop around the track and come past you again. Monster trucks are really, really, really loud holy crap my ears hurt. Watching Robosaurus eat cars and breathe fire was cool. Walking through a zoo is sorta interesting once every few years, but I'd imagine seeing a circus act with the animals would be way more engaging. I think I liked roller coaster rides when I was a kid. Now I don't like them at all (except for slow rides like the water log ride at Knott's Berry Farm or the rides at Legoland).



What kind of stuff do they do at your fair? Here, fairs are usually boring. The LA and Orange Country fairs are hours of walking around in hot summer heat, staring at arts and crafts shows or paying $4 to play a 2 minute game, and it's crowded. And they often have rides but they're pretty meh. Watching a dog competition was fun. Smaller fairs don't tend to have much good stuff either. At one fair that was near where I was, there was a straw maze, but sadly I think that fair closed up. There's Tom's Farms, but it's just a bunch of restaurants and occasionally a band plays.

We have a ferris wheel and some other rides, namely just carney games and deep-fried unhealthy food. 😋 it's kind of small though from what I can tell. Now when I was little and lived near Indiana there was this thing called the Tri-fest that came every year. It really did have that old school carny feel to it. the only thing that was missing was the sideshow acts.
 

ShadowArxxy

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The big top grand circus is dead, but smaller circuses and carnivals do still exist, plus there's Circus Circus in Vegas which very much emulates the vintage big top feel even if it isn't really a big top.

And then there's Cirque de Soleil, which takes a very different form than the vintage circus, but is *very* much using a lot of the acrobatic skillset and spectacle. I just saw "O" last night and it is *astoundingly* good.
 

Robovski

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It sucks that there just doesn't seem to be good outdoor events in general.

There was the local rodeo. Watching guys try to ride bulls was fun for 20 minutes, but then after you've seen it once or twice you've seen it all. Horse races are really boring, as the horses zoom past you in about 5 seconds... and then you have to wait a minute for them to loop around the track and come past you again. Monster trucks are really, really, really loud holy crap my ears hurt. Watching Robosaurus eat cars and breathe fire was cool. Walking through a zoo is sorta interesting once every few years, but I'd imagine seeing a circus act with the animals would be way more engaging. I think I liked roller coaster rides when I was a kid. Now I don't like them at all (except for slow rides like the water log ride at Knott's Berry Farm or the rides at Legoland).



What kind of stuff do they do at your fair? Here, fairs are usually boring. The LA and Orange Country fairs are hours of walking around in hot summer heat, staring at arts and crafts shows or paying $4 to play a 2 minute game, and it's crowded. And they often have rides but they're pretty meh. Watching a dog competition was fun. Smaller fairs don't tend to have much good stuff either. At one fair that was near where I was, there was a straw maze, but sadly I think that fair closed up. There's Tom's Farms, but it's just a bunch of restaurants and occasionally a band plays.

I only ever go to the OC fair to catch a music act, otherwise it's pure miss.
 

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