LifeisTiresome
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I will have to doublecheck when I'm not at work. I recall it saying it was happening worldwide. But for sure it did say it was declining in the men of First world countries.
How come the left-wing talking points of the past are the right-wing talking points of today?
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A lot of that was excused, caused, kept or a bit of both politically incorrect crime problems that the establishment would rather not address at the root because it would be a mess politically to even talk about it in public, nevermind take broad action against it.
Both sides of the political aisle wanted it, even if for somewhat different reasons.
And the average Joe didn't care about these rights much, if he even knew he had them.
Afghanistan was hiding OBL. Until OBL felt fire under his ass and moved to Pakistan through the notoriously theoretical border between them.
Rumsfeld let Bin Laden escape in 2001, says Senate report
Inquiry says US failure to attack al-Qaida's leader at Tora Bora had far-reaching consequences
www.theguardian.com
We found bin Laden in Tora Bora ... but I aborted the mission, says elite Delta Force Commander
The commander of a U.S. military force so secret that many believe it does not exist has told American television how soldiers under his command found Osama bin Laden - but let him slip through their fingers.
Senate Report: Bin Laden Was 'Within Our Grasp'
Report says Al Qaeda leader was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora when American military leaders made the crucial and costly decision not to pursue the terrorist leader with massive force.
www.foxnews.com
And then after he got killed, it was mostly appearances and unrealistic expectations, which is where we are now.
This is how the proverbial sausage of geopolitics is made. The western left would be far better off paying less attention to that and focusing more on its own backyard. Its no skin off their backs after all, this kind of concern scatter is not good for anyone.
Unlike this. The left likes to put this story as a humanitarian problem, while in practice, well the sky is blue, water is wet, and communist China abuses its people in a myriad of ways, what's new there?
The more interesting part is that this is the labor offer that China competes with. Of course its far cheaper than doing it in the west. Doubly so with all the people wanting even higher minimum wage. That's the real problem. Then the centrists liberals in the west craft elaborate theories about "jobs Americans/Germans/British won't do" (yeah, sure, obviously they won't do any job for half a dollar an hour) and "natural competitive advantages", but it's all smoke and mirrors, it's not about anything natural. The simple fact is that China is willing to offer ridiculously cheap labor and also go easy on some other expensive regulations, all to get international business to put their factories there, pay them tax money, and share technologies (willingly or not so much).
The question of how is your country going to try compete with that (or if its just gonna fold) is the really inconvenient question which touches upon the very top of great power politics. Its a question different answers to which can kill corporations, whole business models, economies, and even start wars.
Far from all:
File:World Tantalum Production 2015.svg - Wikipedia
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For the sake of US presence in Afghanistan, the US has to maintain appearances and suffer the frenemy status of Pakistan. But that doesn't mean that the people in national security apparatus have forgotten or ignored it. Pakistan is playing stupid games and gravitating more and more towards China, so the balancing of US relationship between Pakistan and India for the sake of not making either an ally of China is becoming pointless. So far the only major reason not to heavily reevaluate this relationship is the supply route needed for the presence in Afghanistan. Which, as i've mentioned, is not really continuing for a good reason either.
That was mostly French wanting an intervention for a bunch of their own reasons and Hillary Clinton wanting to pad her resume, under pretense of USA avoiding another France-NATO relationship crisis over lack of support which France wanted.
There is a pattern developing here, US movers and shakers tend to be somewhat too prone to wishful thinking for their own good. A lot of the time they find great allies in some exotic lands that only want to fight for freedom and democracy, these great allies just fuck off with the guns and money the moment they feel like it.
As i said, sausage making. Also again seeing allies where there are only conmen and opportunists. The people not deeply interested in politics will take whatever the media says, the left will be outraged about something anyway so who cares, and the neocons are happy that they have found the allies and terrorists they wanted to find.
Part of it is political theater, part of it is most US mainstream media declaring total war against Trump, not Obama, and part of it is that the open progressive influence on the left has rapidly risen over the last decade or so.
Don't exaggerate. Syria and the region in general were a powder keg for many reasons (starting by being a poor country consisting of various ethnic groups that don't exactly like each other united under an authoritarian, heavy handed ruler belonging to a rather small and disliked one), something was bound to happen eventually. The details were up in the air and plenty of intelligence agencies worked hard to adjust them, but no one sane is going to say that Syria was a land of sunshine and rainbows until those damn Americans meddled in it.
They have money and 90% of politicians have no idea what the information traders are doing, how to regulate them or why. Does anyone really? But they do know how to shut up and take money, that was always part of their profession. Its something that will take a lot of time to hammer out in a reasonable and fair way, while the issue is here and now already.
International organization "for a cause" up to usual shenanigans, who would have thought.
This shit is why the global right tends to be distrustful of such organizations.
See: WHO-China kerfuffle.
At the time, they were hiding him, and the leader explicitly refused to hand him over. But other than that, you are right on nearly everything here.
Lanmandragon
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Yep women don't fight wars demoralization is centered on men for this very reason.This is a based thread. Simply the best.
@Reveille
What do you think of this?
Its been stated in multiple studies that male testosterone and sperm is going down in the world. Hell, apparently men of today have less testosterone compared to their forefathers.
And we see in the media continuous assaults on men and we even have this:
Can Estrogen and Other Sex Hormones Help Men Survive Covid-19? (Published 2020)
Men are more likely than women to die of the coronavirus, so scientists are treating them with something women have more of: female sex hormones.www.nytimes.com
So lets pump men with female hormones.
And we have the whole transgender pushing which as we see is very heavily focused on MTF's .
Its been said by analysts and governments that young men with nothing are very dangerous as they can do violence or rebel against the government. Men have fought the wars and revolts and revolutions.
And yet men and boys are pushed down by the state, education and women cause of feminism.
Feminism and the state and corporations are all heavily involved with each other.
Hence to me, there is an agenda to weaken men. Either turn them all trans or weaklings who will never question or fight back against the establishment and feminism is part of this movement to weaken men.
What do you think?
@Lanmandragon
How about you?
This is a based thread. Simply the best.
@Reveille
What do you think of this?
Its been stated in multiple studies that male testosterone and sperm is going down in the world. Hell, apparently men of today have less testosterone compared to their forefathers.
And we see in the media continuous assaults on men and we even have this:
Can Estrogen and Other Sex Hormones Help Men Survive Covid-19? (Published 2020)
Men are more likely than women to die of the coronavirus, so scientists are treating them with something women have more of: female sex hormones.
So lets pump men with female hormones.
And we have the whole transgender pushing which as we see is very heavily focused on MTF's .
Its been said by analysts and governments that young men with nothing are very dangerous as they can do violence or rebel against the government. Men have fought the wars and revolts and revolutions.
And yet men and boys are pushed down by the state, education and women cause of feminism.
Feminism and the state and corporations are all heavily involved with each other.
Hence to me, there is an agenda to weaken men. Either turn them all trans or weaklings who will never question or fight back against the establishment and feminism is part of this movement to weaken men.
What do you think?
@Lanmandragon
How about you?
There is a substantial difference between male and female mortality with COVID-19. Namely, men die far more often than women. Like 2.4 times more:
Frontiers | Gender Differences in Patients With COVID-19: Focus on Severity and Mortality
Objective: The recent outbreak of Novel Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) is reminiscent of the SARS outbreak in 2003. We aim to compare the severity and mortal...
www.frontiersin.org
They think Progesterone might have a positive effect. There's a reason for this. COVID-19 kills the fuck out of people with high blood pressure. Progesterone drops blood pressure.
Weill Cornell Researcher Shows How Progesterone Is Not Just Sex Hormone but Blood Pressure Hormone | NYP
Research from Weill Medical College of Cornell University and other institutions provides new evidence that the sex steroid hormone progesterone is also a vasoactive hormone that directly affects blood vessels. This finding sheds light on both the drop in blood pressure that usually accompanies...
www.nyp.org
Of course, that raises the question as to why they can't just try and drop their blood pressure with blood pressure medication, instead, instead of resorting to hormones.
The decline in sperm counts and sperm quality is very concerning, because over the long-term, that is an existential threat. It's probably an environmental or dietary factor. Pollution, electrosmog, hormones in food, et cetera.
As for the whole weakening men thing, I think wars have done more to weaken men as a group in the past hundred years than anything. Modern warfare is a meat grinder that takes the highest-testosterone, most aggressive males out of a given population (an all-volunteer army, for instance), and kills and maims them, reducing their numbers. In this way, the State disposes of its most troublesome and most independent subjects.
This war on men is very, very old. It didn't start yesterday. It started over a hundred years ago, sending them to die on the fields of Verdun. That's my opinion on the matter. After all, what better way to take fullest advantage of the nature of men, than by luring men with the thrill of combat and the promise of the hunt? The Elites on both sides don't care for their nations' men and boys. They see them as competitors for the seats of power.
While remaining enemies in public, the Elite shook hands and exchanged pleasantries behind closed doors, and they slathered the battlefield in the blood of warriors, as they've always done.
If both sides of the political aisle wanted it, then it stands to reason that they don't have the Average Joe's best interests in mind, doesn't it?
Afghanistan was hiding OBL. Until OBL felt fire under his ass and moved to Pakistan through the notoriously theoretical border between them.
Rumsfeld let Bin Laden escape in 2001, says Senate report
Inquiry says US failure to attack al-Qaida's leader at Tora Bora had far-reaching consequencesWe found bin Laden in Tora Bora ... but I aborted the mission, says elite Delta Force Commander
The commander of a U.S. military force so secret that many believe it does not exist has told American television how soldiers under his command found Osama bin Laden - but let him slip through their fingers.www.dailymail.co.uk
After that, staying in Afghanistan was part maintaining appearances and part making sure he doesn't come back.Senate Report: Bin Laden Was 'Within Our Grasp'
Report says Al Qaeda leader was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora when American military leaders made the crucial and costly decision not to pursue the terrorist leader with massive force.
And then after he got killed, it was mostly appearances and unrealistic expectations, which is where we are now.
True, true. He probably spent most of his time in Pakistan though.
And now that he's gone, we're just handing power back to the Taliban because they were better at running the country than the ineffectual, sycophantic morons that we put in charge. Same deal with Iraq, really. Why is it that when America tries to install a democracy in place of a dictatorship, we put weak, pathetic little yes-men in power who cannot command any respect from their soldiers or from the populace, and promptly get overthrown?
Even our guys on the ground know what's going on. They're not stupid. They're much sharper than our dumbass politicians.
When I was younger, anti-war discourse was central to the Left. Obama used the anti-war crowd to get elected to power, and then, he started more wars. I mean, this is very clearly what happened.
Obama pulled the funding rug right out from underneath these groups the moment he got into the Oval Office. They just kind of "went away". Nowadays, if someone says they're anti-war, they're derided as a "single-issue voter". Candidates like Tulsi Gabbard can't get any traction at all. The media is calculated to discredit and destroy them. One of the latest and nastiest tools in their toolbox is plain ol' McCarthyism. If in doubt, just call someone a Russian asset. That oughta do it.
Also, is it just me, or does Medea Benjamin look like one of Floop's Fooglies? Just sayin'.
China does more than just abuse their own people. They've historically devalued their currency to keep their export markets strong, and they've also been trying to steal American R&D for decades, going as far as using their citizens here on work visas as their eyes and ears. Much of the value of the US economy comes from research and development, and they want their hands in the pie, the bastards.
China is like that one D&D minmaxer at the table that nobody likes. They're not an actual participant in the global system. Soft power is just warfare by other means for them. They spend more money on PR than the next several countries combined. The way they've tricked everyone into constantly kissing their ass while they've bought up huge stakes in our social media corporations is fucking disgusting.
What's worse, China knows they're overdue for replacement, and they don't like it. Factory wages in China have been rising steadily over the past decade, and you know what that means? It means Western businesses are going to be looking to re-outsource those jobs. That's why everyone has their eyes on Africa as the next source of cheap labor. China's not stupid. They know this. That's part of the reason why they've been trying to get their foot in the door in Africa for years. That, and all the resources, of course.
Those "islands" China built in the South China Sea are fucking disgusting. Those aren't islands. Those are coral reefs that they churned up and dumped dirt and gravel on top of with fucking dredgers. The ecological devastation is fucking unbelievable.
China’s Island-Building Is Ruining Coral Reefs, Philippines Says (Published 2015)
A foreign affairs spokesman said that countries ringing the South China Sea could lose up to $100 million a year from the loss of fish breeding grounds.
These ecosystems will basically never recover. They were fucking obliterated.
Far from all:
File:World Tantalum Production 2015.svg - Wikipedia
For the sake of US presence in Afghanistan, the US has to maintain appearances and suffer the frenemy status of Pakistan. But that doesn't mean that the people in national security apparatus have forgotten or ignored it. Pakistan is playing stupid games and gravitating more and more towards China, so the balancing of US relationship between Pakistan and India for the sake of not making either an ally of China is becoming pointless. So far the only major reason not to heavily reevaluate this relationship is the supply route needed for the presence in Afghanistan. Which, as i've mentioned, is not really continuing for a good reason either.
Well, the answer is simple, then. We need to get the fuck out of Afghanistan and side with India. Get them sucking the NATO defense contractor teat. They suck at building their own weapons. They need to buy a few of our tanks, jets, and missiles. That'll get them all set up.
Sarkozy was a fucking creep. Gaddafi was his friend, and he stabbed the guy in the back.
Nicolas Sarkozy in police custody over Gaddafi allegations
Former French president questioned over claims Libyan regime gave his election campaign €50m
www.theguardian.com
Why Did the U.S. and Its Allies Bomb Libya? Corruption Case Against Sarkozy Sheds New Light on Ousting of Gaddafi.
The former French president is accused of accepting campaign cash from the Libyan leader. The rush to bomb Gaddafi gets a necessary second look.
theintercept.com
There's a reason for this. For decades, the CFA Franc has been used to establish French colonialist control over North Africa. These countries all pay a reserve into French banks. Every single country that has tried going off the CFA Franc since the sixties has suffered coups and assassinations of French origin. The independence of the Évian Accords was independence in name only. In reality, France has continued to exert financial control over North Africa all the way up into the present.
The Franc Zone, a Tool of French Neocolonialism in Africa
François Mitterrand warned that France would be irrelevant to twenty-first-century history unless it maintained its control of Africa. Its instrument for so doing is the CFA Franc — a colonial currency entrenching French rule more than fifty years after independence.
www.jacobinmag.com
Most people don't know about this uncomfortable fact. Even if we shove it in people's faces, they don't care. They'd rather believe that we're the good guys, that there are heroic democracies and evil dictatorships that oppose our freedoms, or whatever. No. There are rich nations and there are poor ones, and the poor ones are lorded over by the rich in every conceivable way.
We had the benefit of hindsight, though. We knew what happened the last time we did this shit. The Taliban came into power. Our leaders cannot possibly be so stupid that they can't see that, can they?
The Left were joined at the hip with the Liberals in the US to the point where, in common discourse in America, Liberal means Left, and vice versa. That's not how it is in other countries, of course, but in the US, that's the way it's been for decades. If someone was left-wing, they sided with the Democrats. However, it's become increasingly obvious to some Americans, especially those on the far-left, that the Democrats never really served their interests to begin with.
And now that the Left and the Liberals have begun to split, the Left in America is looking less like its own coherent movement and more like a weird tumor excised from the Democratic Party's belly. All of a sudden, you have these Left-wing career politicians going around making ridiculous demands, making a laughingstock of themselves. Like in some puppet show, the specter of Communism has been raised and the Left have been made exceptionally easy to discredit.
This scary, mean puppet has appeared, wearing an ushanka and a pendant of a hammer and sickle, waving its clawed hands in the air and stomping around, and I'm just sitting here thinking, y'know, we just wanted the drone strikes and indefinite detention to stop. Who the fuck are these people making these ludicrous, fiscally-impossible demands and proposing trillions of dollars in social programs? Who are they useful idiots for?
Of course it wasn't a land of sunshine and rainbows. Civil war was inevitable, what with rising food costs and everything. That said, if we'd kept our hands out of it, then Assad would have quickly quashed the rebellion and we wouldn't have this massive refugee crisis on our hands. They're smuggling people into Europe, and for what? What is the point?
With how COVID-19 has torpedoed our economy and is threatening our food infrastructure, we may be looking at a repeat of that, here. Nothing makes people flip out and start civil wars faster than a lack of food. It's the most basic thing.
It's literally their job to know what the information traders are doing. These corporations have established, in essence, a form of double government.
Democracy as we know it is a lie. Voting is a distraction. All our candidates are bought and paid for by wealthy special interests with their own agendas that run counter to what the masses want, and nobody seems to care about this at all.
The international watchdogs that we're supposed to rely on to bring accountability into the mix are essentially putting a rubber stamp of approval on the official narrative without so much as questioning it. That's a problem.
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It holds with the history of pacifist movements in the west. They are against all wars in theory, but how much do you see them protesting against communist's wars?
Above all, they always oppose wars that can be pinned on their favored side's opponents or otherwise benefit them.
That's the whole point of expanding the "global system". Its to let clever players more easily turn "soft power", in form of bribery, general assholery, and behind the scenes favors above all, as opposed to virtue signalling about all sorts of charity cases, which some naive fools think it is about, into meaningful political, economic, and military benefits.
Anyone who isn't playing this system the same way China does is being played by all those who do.
CCP liked the "China will grow larger" meme a bit too much. Ecological devastation on some remote piece of sea is so far below their concern that it might aswell not exist.
If they were to care about stuff like that, the insane levels of air and water pollution in their population centers would have to come first.
Quite possible things will go that route. At least once someone manages to get the establishment to ignore the appearances and actually drop Afghanistan no matter how shitty its gonna turn afterwards - as that will be mostly Iran's, Russia's and Pakistan's problem, not USA's.
Its a bit more complicated. Gaddafi's warnings about migration to Europe were a bit less innocuous than they seemed, it was a bit of a blackmail scheme similar to what Erdogan is doing to this day. Still, the solution in that case was worse than the problem...
Another theory is that it's just part of a plain corruption case with big money involved.
Why Did the U.S. and Its Allies Bomb Libya? Corruption Case Against Sarkozy Sheds New Light on Ousting of Gaddafi.
The former French president is accused of accepting campaign cash from the Libyan leader. The rush to bomb Gaddafi gets a necessary second look.
theintercept.com
Its France, so all the media friends of EU elites know to shut up about it.There's a reason for this. For decades, the CFA Franc has been used to establish French colonialist control over North Africa. These countries all pay a reserve into French banks. Every single country that has tried going off the CFA Franc since the sixties has suffered coups and assassinations of French origin. The independence of the Évian Accords was independence in name only. In reality, France has continued to exert financial control over North Africa all the way up into the present.
The Franc Zone, a Tool of French Neocolonialism in Africa
François Mitterrand warned that France would be irrelevant to twenty-first-century history unless it maintained its control of Africa. Its instrument for so doing is the CFA Franc — a colonial currency entrenching French rule more than fifty years after independence.
Most people don't know about this uncomfortable fact. Even if we shove it in people's faces, they don't care. They'd rather believe that we're the good guys, that there are heroic democracies and evil dictatorships that oppose our freedoms, or whatever. No. There are rich nations and there are poor ones, and the poor ones are lorded over by the rich in every conceivable way.
The irony is, that the military side such lasting commitments in fact stretching the relatively small expeditionary capacity of French military, so its starting to become questionable whether even France actually benefits from this whole scheme in material terms (rather than being just about involved cronies and French sense of importance in the world), and is trying to drag allies into sharing the burden with some success.
A Flawed Strategy in the Sahel
France’s military activity in the Sahel may be doing more harm than good, since it provides crucial support to the repressive governments that are at the heart of the region's problems. A lighter French footprint focused on local peace-building efforts would cost less and be more effective in...
Sweden says to send up to 150 special forces troops to Mali
Sweden's government on Monday said it had decided to send troops to Mali to join French-led special forces that are fighting militants linked to al Qaeda and Islamic State in the Sahel region of North Africa.
www.reuters.com
France Agrees to Small Troop Increase, but Little Else, at Sahel Summit (Published 2020)
President Emmanuel Macron and five African leaders agreed that French troops would remain in the fight against Islamist militants.
Operation Barkhane: France's Counter-Terrorism Forces in Africa
Four thousand French soldiers are currently deployed across five African nations in support of a wide-ranging counter-terrorism effort.
www.theatlantic.com
Would it really? America or Saudis for that matter aren't the only shady actors in the region. The sunni islamist networks were bound to get involved either way and support their brothers on the rebel side.
Its not something the old politicians are used to doing (its easy to notice that the few who do pay attention tend to be very much on the younger side), as this whole business didn't even exist "back in their days".
Some run counter to some parts of the masses and to each other (say, coal mining vs green energy), those have contradictory interests too.
Lobbying is legal and its practically impossible to prevent even if it wasn't, so attempts at supervision are the most that can be done.
But voting still matters - it decides which special interests will get their day and which won't.
Or at least the official narrative of whoever has bought influence in any given watchdog most recently.
So, what are the alternatives? Its not like USA is exceptional in doing these things. They are part of the "basic standard toolkit" of all countries competing for global power, and to throw them out would be a form of self-handicap. The only way i see it possible to not do that is for USA to adopt a "isolationism no matter the cost" policy, which if adopted (getting lasting majority support for it is another question) would cause major celebrations in Beijing and Moscow.
Global power for the benefit of a small elite, at the cost of wretched conditions for the rest of the population, is not really a goal that justifies all that much.
The point the other poster was making though, was that the Left used to complain long and loud about all this stuff. They'd want us all to feel bad about using smartphones made by starving slave-children in Third World countries. Doing something about it? Maybe not so much.
Now they don't. China can work it's people to death, Americans can lose their jobs and end up on the street, the oceans can become a mire of plastic bags - and the "Woke" crowd do not give a hoot. They think it much more important that everyone be affirming of sexual deviancy, or something.
Duke Nukem
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Yeah the leftist dont give a rats ass about people being oppressed they only care furthering their agenda. if they truly cared they wouldn't be shilling for china so much.
CarlManvers2019
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There’s a thing about how fantastic “globalism” is in that you can have lots of international trade and have someone else an ocean away do work for you or something and how it’d make those other countries’ economies better due to employment
Funny how I believed it was a positive and great thing in college until I realized how much it would lead to mass unemployment and that those countries with cheap exploited labor may not really even improve
Yeah, it’s sorta like imperialism but the guys from other countries may leave really quick for other shores
It’s “Capitalism” with a Romanticised Hippy Feel that steals the whole “enlightened self interest” part too and acts as if an entirety of a first world country’s people are extremely educated and mostly just for higher class jobs and so on
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Not having global power in no way prevents the small elite from causing the same or even worse conditions for the population.
And as i pointed out, one can come at this particular issue from 2 completely separate angles - humanitarian or competitive. The mainstream left tends to focus on the former rather than latter, and in many of the others, there is no competitive aspect, just worrying about the well being of far away peoples. But from pragmatic perspective, the competitive one is more important - the fact is that the labor market of western countries just can't compete with next to nothing salaries. Might want to have some tariffs to deal with that in case of unemployment/high labor supply, for all the downsides still better than trying to achieve a similar effect by increasing minimum wage like the socialists want (and accidentally making their own country's labor even less competitive on costs). Nevermind the security issue of relying on some potentially strategic goods to be produced and exported from a not necessarily friendly country, as demonstrated in the recent situation with medical equipment. When shit happens, it may suddenly turn out that they think they need this stuff more than you do and possession is 9/10 of the law...
I do not like this comparison. Mainly for the fact that there was massive communist infiltration and propaganda aimed at the US and because right now while Russia has a foreign policy of trying to aid any destabilizing elements regardless of political leaning to fulfil its geopolitical goals, it is not the main pinko backer while said goals benefiting from american military overextension. That main backer would be China and strangely enough sometimes Qatar... Hopefully the outrage from the viral quarantines will have China as the culprit in the mind of elites and populations so that boycott China gets into real gear. That being said Tulsi is would be Obama2.0 in regards to her anti war rethoric.
Also a somewhat entertaining rant somewhat to the subject era with nice resources for sources to show that all this is not new.
And as a parting gift a saying I find to be most amusing.
If at 20 you are not a lefty you lack a heart
if by 30 you are not a righty you lack a brain
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those celibrations would last right up until the moment that they realize that no one is protecting global shipping any more and everything they float on the ocean is up for grabs. This by the way would deeply damage the Russian economy and could easily lead to a famnine that would kill millions of Chinese people and utterly wreak them because guess what? Both countries are highly dependent on the US order china more so then Russia.
I know, but i would take this argument with much more reservation than some throw it around.
It would take a lot of time and assisting factors for actual large scale piracy to develop in this scenario, because:
a)Other countries have navies too, not as big or long range as US one, but the total sum is pretty impressive, and distributed around the world
b) That leaves only few specific regions of the world where there would be no regional power stepping in, or in fact it would be the local major power bullying someone else for trade route control or undersea hydrocarbon deposits. That in turn would carry a high risk of ending up in an ordinary war between them, and/or dragging in third parties pissed off by the attacks on their shipping, so abusing the now lesser naval policing much could still happen to have dire consequences who don't think this through much.
c) Sure, maybye with current day "luxury politics" you could imagine a rise in Somalia style piracy, but uncontained it would by itself create different attitudes, eventually. Either that, or it would affect countries with lesser navies, but also far lesser restraint...
For example, maybye Russian or Indian Navy would not be able to maintain much of constant patrols in all the risky spots for years, but sufficiently pissed off it would be perfectly capable of flattening everything roughly resembling a pirate port on the coast of the offending third world country.
Lanmandragon
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1. Trust busting Invented by the right. 2.civol rights passed by the right 3. Slavery ended by the right 4. Protectionism right 5.anti ChiComs right.
Basically everything he listed as good was done by Republicans while the Dems opposed all of it. These things being "left" is just a lie that's been pushed to secure power. Now that they're in power the mask is off and you see what the left actually wants.
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