Breaking News Hong Kong Debacle is Over!!! Or is it?

[Cherico]

The Mainland has been executing a certain pattern of totalitarian thought control to eliminate dissent to the rule of the PRC. Systematically disrupting that is absolutely critical to the success of any kind of effort to organize mass protests against the Communist Party. That means, essentially, counter-propaganda to destroy the Communist Party's narrative.

the mainland is terrified.

China's bad debt issues are worse then what America had before subprime, between shadow banking, years of bad debt growing international debt that alone means their in for a major recession.

Then the next issue, Mexican labor is now less expensive and more skilled then chinese labor is right now, and mexico doesn't have all of the related transportation costs so the price is actually even lower then that. Add Nafta as a factor and all of those chinese jobs are going to move to mexico just based on economics....it gets worse.

Their surrounded by hostle island clusters that can destroy any attempt to get their navy out, in order to get their fuel they have to sail their ships past these island clusters, go to the middle east pick a side in a centuries old knife fight between shia and sunni and then sail home. Not a problem when america garenteed safe shipping for everyone kind of a problem now that we care less and less about doing that.

Then there is the fact that the american chinese trade war is finally happening and the only market capable of obsorbing chinese goods other then america is the EU and their far more protectionist then america is.

On top of this they have a rapidly aging population and have to take care of said eldars.

Yeah china is in for some seriously bad times and they know it hence the lock down on everything.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Given their Tiger Mom culture and how much land was developed(though I do hear there are Ghost Towns with no buyers)in a few decades, I’d think that China’s sort of prepared for future problems

Except the horrible side effects of their one child policy and stupid sexist decision to mostly only have boys due to something last name related

 

[Deleted member]

@Cherico @CarlManvers2019 I am really quite less sanguine over-all about the inability of the Chinese to manage the current situation if they are not directly and aggressively confronted. The regime has, in a very short period of time, mobilized enormous resources to lock the population into obedience with its will and channel natural Chinese nationalism into a blind support and enforcement mechanism for the regime. The Uighur camps (we should make East Turkestan Independence a priority) are in the top five of the wickedest actions, they may not be killing people but they are systematically killing the soul of a culture and its identity, which still constitutes genocide under the United Nations definitions thereof. They are applying these surveillance techniques to the rest of the country to enforce their will, and I fear that any economic collapse will just see a DPRK-like tightening of regime power, not a weakening.

 

[Cherico]

@Cherico @CarlManvers2019 I am really quite less sanguine over-all about the inability of the Chinese to manage the current situation if they are not directly and aggressively confronted. The regime has, in a very short period of time, mobilized enormous resources to lock the population into obedience with its will and channel natural Chinese nationalism into a blind support and enforcement mechanism for the regime. The Uighur camps (we should make East Turkestan Independence a priority) are in the top five of the wickedest actions, they may not be killing people but they are systematically killing the soul of a culture and its identity, which still constitutes genocide under the United Nations definitions thereof. They are applying these surveillance techniques to the rest of the country to enforce their will, and I fear that any economic collapse will just see a DPRK-like tightening of regime power, not a weakening.

survialance states are expensive what happens when they run out of other peoples money?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

survialance states are expensive what happens when they run out of other peoples money?

They try improvising and hoping that citizens telling on one another is enough

 

[Deleted member]

survialance states are expensive what happens when they run out of other peoples money?

Neo-colonialism in Africa.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Neo-colonialism in Africa.

How long till Hollywood expands to including the Chinese in-terms of the repeatedly “satired” idea of “Imperialism”?

 

[Deleted member]

How long till Hollywood expands to including the Chinese in-terms of the repeatedly “satired” idea of “Imperialism”?

To me, the more interesting question is when they get the ballad from 55 Days at Peking taken down from the english language youtube. I consider that a bell-weather, sort of like the Big Mac price test.

 

[Arch Dornan]

the mainland is terrified.

China's bad debt issues are worse then what America had before subprime, between shadow banking, years of bad debt growing international debt that alone means their in for a major recession.

Then the next issue, Mexican labor is now less expensive and more skilled then chinese labor is right now, and mexico doesn't have all of the related transportation costs so the price is actually even lower then that. Add Nafta as a factor and all of those chinese jobs are going to move to mexico just based on economics....it gets worse.

Their surrounded by hostle island clusters that can destroy any attempt to get their navy out, in order to get their fuel they have to sail their ships past these island clusters, go to the middle east pick a side in a centuries old knife fight between shia and sunni and then sail home. Not a problem when america garenteed safe shipping for everyone kind of a problem now that we care less and less about doing that.

Then there is the fact that the american chinese trade war is finally happening and the only market capable of obsorbing chinese goods other then america is the EU and their far more protectionist then america is.

On top of this they have a rapidly aging population and have to take care of said eldars.

Yeah china is in for some seriously bad times and they know it hence the lock down on everything.

Time always changes a country's fortunes.

Neo-colonialism in Africa.

Everytime I read about that you can say it's colonialism with extra steps?

 

[Cherico]

Time always changes a country's fortunes.


Everytime I read about that you can say it's colonialism with extra steps?

Not really neo colionialsm is outside powers using economic, political and other instrements to affect another countries internal politics for its own gain which is some thing pretty much all countries do. Not just great powers but smaller ones.

Its defiantly possible for a country to play powers against each other for its own benifit as many countries did during the cold war and Thailand was a master of during the 1800s. And its possible to use your great power backer just as much as he uses you to industrialize your country (AKA see Tawian and south Korea.)

It all comes down to the strenght of local insitutions and how much corruption there is. If the local elites play the game bad its going to end badly for you. If the local elites are corrupt your going to have a bad time, but if the local elites are good at the game and care about your country you can leverage your relationships to your advantage.

Because Neo colionialsm while a game with stacked dice isn't the strait forward do what I tell you to game that colionilsm is, there is room to manuver and the lesser power in the game can still make their own moves.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Not really neo colionialsm is outside powers using economic, political and other instrements to affect another countries internal politics for its own gain which is some thing pretty much all countries do. Not just great powers but smaller ones.

Its defiantly possible for a country to play powers against each other for its own benifit as many countries did during the cold war and Thailand was a master of during the 1800s. And its possible to use your great power backer just as much as he uses you to industrialize your country (AKA see Tawian and south Korea.)

It all comes down to the strenght of local insitutions and how much corruption there is. If the local elites play the game bad its going to end badly for you. If the local elites are corrupt your going to have a bad time, but if the local elites are good at the game and care about your country you can leverage your relationships to your advantage.

Because Neo colionialsm while a game with stacked dice isn't the strait forward do what I tell you to game that colionilsm is, there is room to manuver and the lesser power in the game can still make their own moves.

So far is it benefiting both Africa and China?

I know Africa has major corruption issues so usually I expect the local elite to take Chinese deals to benefit only themselves at the expense of the locals.

 

[Cherico]

So far is it benefiting both Africa and China?

I know Africa has major corruption issues so usually I expect the local elite to take Chinese deals to benefit only themselves at the expense of the locals.

If your leaders are shit then yes your going to have a bad time but name a time where that isn't true.

 

[Arch Dornan]

If your leaders are shit then yes your going to have a bad time but name a time where that isn't true.

No it never has from memory.