Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)

[Doomsought]

At this point the supreme court should just write a bench warrant for New York being in contempt of court

 

[Wargamer08]

At this point the supreme court should just write a bench warrant for New York being in contempt of court

The merry-go-round will continue until the Supreme Court puts people in jail. Should be easy as hell, they are intentionally depriving hundreds of thousands of citizens of their constitutional right. Let the sky fall.

 

[PeaceMaker 03]

No accountability for political hacks who create laws and regulations that violate the Bill of Rights.

A new unconstitutional law can be written in a day passed in hours. The court process takes years and millions of dollars. Example NY had new gun laws weeks after SCOTUS tossed NY unconstitutional gun laws. Which are arguably worse than the law already found unconstitutional.

Anyone proposes unconstitutional laws should be put in jail general population equal to the time the unconstitutional law was in effect, and barred from any government position, elected, civil service, independent contract, or lobbyist.

 

[Captain X]

Idaho has a couple of interesting bills. One is to ban any Idaho public entity from entering into a contract for any good or service from a company that is engaged in a boycott of an individual or company over traditional means of energy production or farming, or over supporting the manufacture, distribution, sale, or use of firearms. The other is a bill to offer Gadsden flag license plates and use the money from that to fund firearm safety programs in primary and secondary schools.

 

[Yinko]

Idaho has a couple of interesting bills. One is to ban any Idaho public entity from entering into a contract for any good or service from a company that is engaged in a boycott of an individual or company over traditional means of energy production or farming, or over supporting the manufacture, distribution, sale, or use of firearms. The other is a bill to offer Gadsden flag license plates and use the money from that to fund firearm safety programs in primary and secondary schools.

Apparently the city of San Francisco tried the same kind of thing, banning the city from having dealings with any entity from any state that held anti-woke agendas. This ended up being something like 30 states. They had to repeal the bill last year because they couldn't even get toilet paper for a reasonable price, the manufacturer for their outdoor toilet display was from Arizona, and all the manufacturers knew that they had them by the balls.

Spoiler: Source

Point being, that if the range of groups that the Idaho bills covers is too large, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Got to hit that goldilocks zone.

 

[Doomsought]

It would be far more effective to make any location, private or public, which bans fire arms on premises have civil liability for protecting any and all persons on the premises as a matter of law.

 

[bintananth]

It would be far more effective to make any location, private or public, which bans fire arms on premises have civil liability for protecting any and all persons on the premises as a matter of law.

Which won't pass constitutional muster by any stretch of the immagination when you consider that you have the right to tell someone "this is private property, neither that shit nor you are welcome here, and you are tresspassing" when it's your private property for a shit-ton of reasons which have nothing to do with guns.

Have you ever been turned away by a restaurant with a dress code which you weren't in compliance with? I have and would have been laughed out of court if I tried to sue.

 

[Doomsought]

Which won't pass constitutional muster by any stretch of the immagination when you consider that you have the right to tell someone "this is private property, neither that shit nor you are welcome here, and you are tresspassing" when it's your private property for a shit-ton of reasons which have nothing to do with guns.

This is the dumbest take. Did you even read what I said? I described a statute which would establish liability, which is an extremely common type of law. There isn't a constitution in the world that would restrict a law like this.

 

[bintananth]

This is the dumbest take. Did you even read what I said? I described a statute which would establish liability, which is an extremely common type of law. There isn't a constitution in the world that would restrict a law like this.

No, it's not a dumb take.

I hate that I actually agree with @Abhorshon on some of his more extreme Libertarian views, but your right to do as you please ends when I exercise my right to tell you to "fuck off" because that bullshit is not allowed here.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service."

Have you ever seen that posted on a fast-food restaurant door? I have and they ain't joking.

 

[Doomsought]

I hate that I actually agree with @Abhorshon on some of his more extreme Libertarian views, but your right to do as you please ends when I exercise my right to tell you to "fuck off" because that bullshit is not allowed here.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service."

That isn't relevant at all to what I proposed.

You know how criminals can trespass on your land, then get hurt on your property, and then sue you for the injuries? That is because there are laws establishing liability.

Likewise there are laws that state when you sell food you are liable if that food is not safe to eat.

Same deal, if you preven people from bringing their weapons onto your property, you are liable if they are victimized on your property.

 

[bintananth]

That isn't relevant at all to what I proposed.

You know how criminals can trespass on your land, then get hurt on your property, and then sue you for the injuries? That is because there are laws establishing liability.

Likewise there are laws that state when you sell food you are liable if that food is not safe to eat.

Same deal, if you preven people from bringing their weapons onto your property, you are liable if they are victimized on your property.

My backyard is not your playground. If you are there without permission you are guilty of tresspassing. In that situation you are the criminal and you are in the wrong.

 

[Wargamer08]

My backyard is not your playground. If you are there without permission you are guilty of tresspassing. In that situation you are the criminal and you are in the wrong.

That might be how you want the law to work. But that's not how it currently works.

 

[Captain X]

So apparently California passed a law against "billy clubs" that is so all-encompassing that it includes canes and sticks.

 

[DarthOne]

So apparently California passed a law against "billy clubs" that is so all-encompassing that it includes canes and sticks.

But of course! We must have common sense stick control! Otherwise, you kids might get their hands on these weapons of war!

 

[DarthOne]

The Feds Gave Banks Tools To Shut Down Your Accounts If You Buy Guns Or Bibles

Feds Gave Banks Tools To Shut Your Accounts If You Buy Guns

The same government pressure erecting an Iron Curtain around the Internet is also constructing a financial social credit system in the U.S.

thefederalist.com

The same government pressure erecting an Iron Curtain around the Internet is also constructing a financial social credit system like Communist China's inside the United States.

Federal agencies gave banks automated censorship tools to flag as possible domestic terrorists any Americans who buy Bibles or support the enforcement of immigration law, says testimony today before a House committee.

"Federal agencies are funding tools for the financial sector similar to those social media is using to target misinformation and hate speech," says written testimony from Jeremy Tedesco, senior counsel at the nonprofit First Amendment law firm Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF). "Unfortunately, this is just the tip of the iceberg."


Federal regulators are successfully pressuring financial institutions to discriminate against customers based on their religious and political beliefs. If the federal government discriminated directly, it would be unconstitutional, notes Tedesco in testimony this afternoon to the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government. On March 6, 16 state attorneys general called on Wells Fargo to stop "using debanking as a political tool to extend the policies of the Biden Administration throughout the economy."

"Wells Fargo has institutionalized discrimination by imposing race and sex-based quotas into credit agreements with customers like BlackRock," says a letter from the attorneys general. The bank is among others working to end customers' use of low-cost energy sources and increase their grocery bills to meet Democrats' economic central-planning goals, the letter says.

In short, the same sorts of government pressure erecting an Iron Curtain around the Internet are already constructing a financial social credit system like Communist China's inside the United States. Tedesco notes the FBI gave financial institutions a document that reportedly said "indicators of domestic violent extremism" banks should monitor in customer purchases include objections to "firearm legislation," "the easing of immigration restrictions," and Covid-19 lockdowns.

Earlier hearings found Treasury Department officials told financial institutions that buying religious texts like a Bible, supporting former President Donald Trump, or shopping at sporting goods stores flags law-abiding Americans as potential domestic terrorists.

Also, "major banks have attended CISA Cybersecurity Advisory Committee meetings concerning misinformation and disinformation. For example, JPMorgan Chase attended one such meeting on March 21, 2022, 86 CISA considers 'financial services' to be 'critical infrastructure' that is put at risk by 'the spread of false and misleading information,'" Tedesco's testimony says.

CISA is the Department of Homeland Security agency that designated Americans' "thoughts, ideas, and beliefs" as "critical infrastructure" to justify censoring tens of millions of Americans' online speech about elections. It defines "malinformation" as true information that federal employees think should be accompanied by government talking points.

In the 2020 election cycle, CISA served as a "switchboard" that pressured social media companies into shutting up Americans who said things Democrats don't like. That behavior is the subject of a major constitutional lawsuit, Murthy v. Missouri, now before the Supreme Court.

The unconstitutional social media censorship apparatus, Tedesco's testimony shows, is being applied now to financial transactions. Indeed, CISA has stated it's pursuing a "whole-of-government approach" to its communist social credit efforts. Canceling Americans' bank accounts or seizing them like Canada did to donors to its trucker protest in 2022 is an even bigger threat to American liberties than canceling or secretly muting Facebook and X accounts, Tedesco noted.

"We don't know the extent that AI is being used right now to make these decisions, but we know Congress is funding projects… supplying these AI tools to banks," Tedesco told The Federalist during a Wednesday press conference. "The same problem we have of censorship at scale in the social media context, we have it in the financial context."

Tedesco's testimony gives many examples of banks pulling accounts from Christian charities with essentially zero explanation. Last April, Bank of America canceled the account of Indigenous Advance Ministries, a Tennessee-based charity that cares for orphans, prisoners, and sex trafficking victims in Uganda. It also canceled the account of an organization that donated to IAM.

"Indigenous Advance Ministries … had to tell its nine Ugandan employees to wait an extra week to receive a paycheck they depend on for survival," Tedesco's testimony says. "Like many of their countrymen, these Ugandans don't live paycheck to paycheck, but meal to meal. Waiting an extra week for a paycheck in Uganda isn't just inconvenient, it can be the difference between eating and going hungry."

The bank would only explain by saying the charity is "operating in a business type we have chosen not to service at Bank of America." Chase similarly debanked a charity founded by former U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback, the National Committee for Religious Freedom, in 2022. A Chase representative told the charity "the bank might reinstate the account if NCRF disclosed a list of donors who contributed 10 percent or more of its operating budget and divulged the criteria it uses to decide whom to support politically," Tedesco says.

Thirteen ADF donors reported that their banks and the nation's largest grantmaker from donor-advised funds, Fidelity Charitable, banned or delayed donations to ADF since 2019, Tedesco says. Because the leftist pressure group Southern Poverty Law Center designates Christian charities, including ADF, as "hate groups," Impact Assets, Fidelity Charitable, the Chicago Community Foundation, and the Community Foundation of Greater Memphis wouldn't let Americans send their own money to ADF.

ADF has won 15 cases at the U.S. Supreme Court in the last 30 years, while the Southern Poverty Law Center is an actual hate group and financial scam machine continually expressing bigoted animus and relentless persecution against Christians. Its "hate group" designation inspired a gunman to open fire on the Family Research Council's offices in 2012.

Treasury officials also sent banks reports from the Anti-Defamation League and Institute for Strategic Dialogue slandering Christian charities as "hate groups" and symbols like the Celtic cross as a "hate symbol," says a weaponization committee report published Wednesday.

ADF's 2023 Viewpoint Diversity Score Business Index found more than half of large financial companies' policies allow them to deny service based on customers' religious or political beliefs. These are typically called "reputational risk" policies and often incorporate "hate speech" provisions that Soviet Communists added to international treaties after World War II. Banks' "reputational risk" policies also act as a pretext to punish any clients who have been defamed by a media smear operation, even if the smears are fabricated.

"There is a real risk that these kinds of policies can be weaponized by third-party activists," Tedesco told The Federalist Wednesday. "We've seen this a lot in the payment processing space where third-party activists will spin up some campaign to pressure some payment processor to deny service because they don't like what (others) have to say." Reputational risk "is an invitation to allow activists to determine how [banks] enforce their own policies."

JPMorgan Chase debanked the Arkansas Family Council over its conservative views, a conservative organization for hosting Donald Trump Jr. and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn. Wells Fargo wouldn't process payments to The Ruth Institute, a Christian charity, falsely alleging it is "affiliated with a product/service that promotes hate, violence, harassment and/or abuse." PayPal is notorious for refusing to provide service to Christians and conservatives.

"We have a chance to get ahead of this, unlike…with social media," Tedesco said in the press conference. Opposition to discrimination in banking is bipartisan, and the social credit scoring tools are in their early stages of being deployed in financial data.

"We have a chance to get ahead of this, unlike…with social media," Tedesco said in the press conference. Opposition to discrimination in banking is bipartisan, and the social credit scoring tools are in their early stages of being deployed in financial data.

 

[Abhorsen]

The Feds Gave Banks Tools To Shut Down Your Accounts If You Buy Guns Or Bibles

Okay, official mod warning time, I already gave you a non-mod warning before. Don't post whole articles, this is copyright theft, opens up the website to problems, and breaks the rules. More, it hurts the Federalist, a good website you'd think you'd want to support.

If you are concerned about the future, there are archiving sites, like archive.today. If you need to highlight a few paragraphs, grabbing those is fine. But no copy and pasting whole articles.

 

[Abhorsen]

On a side note:


Check the part where he talks about "reading the fine print", around 3:15. On a completely unrelated note:



Guess who might not pay out their insurance?

 

[Vyor]

time for lawsuits!

 

[Abhorsen]

time for lawsuits!

No lawsuit. It's just a shitty contract. They needed lawyers beforehand, not afterwards. Or people to just raise awareness.

Basically, there is bad insurance out there that won't compensate you for injuries (no duh). But this also applies to the USCCA, which have some clauses that will get them out of paying you.

 

[Zachowon]

Basically if you are charged with a felony? They arnt able to or something like that


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