Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)

Nope, but it is an election-ish season. Plus the Democratic front-runner can not tie his shoes, ride a bike, know what country he is in, or who the scripted bad guy is.

He's definitely something.

I always assumed Obama picked him because he was so terrible no one would dare assassinate the first black president.

Obama: Did you get anything from that meeting Joe.

Look I made a hand turkey. It's better than Sasha's or Malia's.

That's good Joe.

Same time.

Neo Nazi meeting in North Dakota.

But, if we kill him. Joe Biden would be president.

They mull it over

Welp ain't he Bush's cousin anyway.
 
An interesting development concerning the recent gun panic in New Mexico instigated by its Leftist Democrat Governor Lujan Grisham.

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Even Gun Grabber David Hogg couldn't abide her Palpatine esque level of invoking Emergency Powers to grab the Constitutionally protected right of citizens to possess arms.
Razorfist seems to think this is some sort of trap to wrest more control away from state governments:
 
Razorfist seems to think this is some sort of trap to wrest more control away from state governments:

Eh, I'd say Razorfist is wrong about this. His argument is that incorporation doctrine (i.e. the limits of the constitution apply to the states as well) is wrong. I very much disagree with this, both practically (did you like McDonald v Chicago which said states couldn't ban carrying weapons? I did. That's incorporation doctrine at work.) and legally.

Legally, there is an argument that the wrong vehicle in the 14th amendment is being used, and instead the Bill of Rights et al applies to the sates because of the privileges and immunities clause, not the due process clause (Justice Thomas is fond of this). But it's still incorporation regardless, just using a different method.
 
Holton Township in Michigan, which has a population of about two thousand residents, has announced at a recent meeting they are a 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' and have officially established a township militia.

Michigan News Source said:
Taking aim at the state's recent red-flag gun laws that were passed by Democrats in May restricting gun and ammunition possession, Holton's new Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution declares the Constitution to be the supreme law of the nation and says "the Holton Township Board are concerned about the passage of any bill containing language which could be interpreted as infringing the rights of the citizens of Holton Township to keep and bear arms" and expresses "opposition to any law that would unconstitutionally restrict the rights of the citizens of Holton Township to keep and bear arms."

The militia will be an opt-in organization which will be dormant until called upon and was motivated in part by the events in Southern Israel and the Hamas Terrorist Attack that took place there on October 7th. To be a member you have to be 18 years of age and have passed a Federal Firearms Background Check.

 
Holton Township in Michigan, which has a population of about two thousand residents, has announced at a recent meeting they are a 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' and have officially established a township militia.



The militia will be an opt-in organization which will be dormant until called upon and was motivated in part by the events in Southern Israel and the Hamas Terrorist Attack that took place there on October 7th. To be a member you have to be 18 years of age and have passed a Federal Firearms Background Check.

If it’s government run even if it’s a local government is it even a militia? Also how can you be a second amendment sanctuary but then use a federal firearms background check? I mean it’s a nice sentiment but I wonder if there will be unintended consequences
 
If it’s government run even if it’s a local government is it even a militia? Also how can you be a second amendment sanctuary but then use a federal firearms background check? I mean it’s a nice sentiment but I wonder if there will be unintended consequences

I think it's a sanctuary against the State of Michigans increasingly overbearing gun laws.

They state the US Constitution as their highest authority on this issue in the article.
 
More of a funny video but its still political.

Brandon Herrera (along with a billion other people) attempted to crash a Gun BuyBack at the Texas Alamodome.



Main random observation is that I feel Brandon and his team are right. Being some loudmouth open carrying an AR and yelling at people to buy their guns does seem a little sketch to the random Social Security Retiree who wants to turn in their fully automatic, fresh out of the box Uzi Submachine Gun.:p
 
More of a funny video but its still political.

Brandon Herrera (along with a billion other people) attempted to crash a Gun BuyBack at the Texas Alamodome.



Main random observation is that I feel Brandon and his team are right. Being some loudmouth open carrying an AR and yelling at people to buy their guns does seem a little sketch to the random Social Security Retiree who wants to turn in their fully automatic, fresh out of the box Uzi Submachine Gun.:p


That poor Uzi is going to be melted down for scrap, or end up in some cops closet.
 
And what exactly are those limits on what people can have?

The details could be hammered out through some sort of compromise. I would personally tend to lean more on the stricter side of things... but I think that's an answer I can't really give you exactly.

Also, while I understand the desire for Red Flag laws, please explain to me how Red Flag laws aren't a violation of the Due Process clause, because for the removal of ALL OTHER RIGHTS people have to go through a complete criminal trial and appeal with full legal representation and a jury of their peers. Not an anonymous report to the police that's brought before a single judge to sign off on with no legal representation.

It's one of the hardest issues when dealing with this. Guns really should be treated as a right. I can have my driver's license suspended for all manner of things, and that is much more critical to my survival than a gun is. People can be put on a no-fly list for basically anything. No due process.

No right is unlimited. It's about finding a balance. We need guns for protection, but protection is also... trying to make sure dangerous people who shouldn't have them, don't.

I generally agree. I have a collection of both conservative and liberal beliefs, I support the military (generally considered conservative), gun rights, border security and belief in harsh penalties for murderers, rapists and child molesters. I also believe that government services such as medicaire and tuition-free college are not that unreasonable an ask (we already have police departments and fire departments for example, which is a form of socialism-lite).

I fall somewhere in the middle with most of these.

I support the military... while I also don't worship them. I appreciate a soldier exactly as much as I appreciate a sanitation worker. They're both people doing jobs that need to be done, that kind of suck. No more, no less. We PROBABLY don't need to spending the money we do on the military. But by and large, of course I support the military.

I support "gun rights"... in that, sure I don't think guns need to be banned but I fall more left on them. They should be severely controlled.

I support border security... but I think the best way to do that is the radically streamline the asylum and legal entry process to make it astronomically easier and more efficient than it is currently.

I'm ok with harsh penalties, I generally don't support the death penalty. Death penalty should be reserved for an incredibly short list of people who simply can not safely be held and there is absolutely no other choice. On the flip, I think we need massive prison reform and start to actually look into working towards reform, not punishment.

I condemn both the 25 deaths and hundreds of millions in property damage incurred by the BLM riots, but I empathize with and understand their frustrations. Same with the J6 rioters, I condemn the people they got killed and the damage that was caused, but I empathize with and understand their frustrations. I will never understand how people can be so frothingly rabid and partisan. From the DPRK/Kim regime and PRC simp leftards to the right-wing #NAFO Azerbaijan/Turkey simps as a few examples, I cannot understand people who let political ideologies consume their identity, they're just as bad as the far-left Trans-Rights-Activist LGBTQ that put rainbow shit all over everything or have those asinine bumper stickers and the "I'm triggering the libtards" 100% Trump sycophant cultists.

Agreed. Both are absolutely horrible.

As someone pointed out earlier, a Teddy-style Bull-Moose Party comeback would fix soooo many problems in America's political climate. How do you feel about a blanket ban on the mentally ill being able to obtain guns (legally) and keep them for defense, by the way?

I'd love to see a modern Bull-Moose Party. It will never happen. We're way to tribalized and nobody will compromise.

I'm not sure I agree with any kind of blanket ban on most things, but I absolutely think it should be an option available under the vein of red flag laws to allow a medical professional the ability to deem a person unfit or unsafe to own weapons. I think context always matter and "mentally ill" can mean alot of things. Someone with ADHD is "mentally ill". According to some, a trans person is "mentally ill". I don't think either of those things should preclude one from gun ownership.
 
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It's one of the hardest issues when dealing with this. Guns really should be treated as a right. I can have my driver's license suspended for all manner of things, and that is much more critical to my survival than a gun is. People can be put on a no-fly list for basically anything. No due process.

No right is unlimited. It's about finding a balance. We need guns for protection, but protection is also... trying to make sure dangerous people who shouldn't have them, don't.
Firstly, you betray the game here by saying guns shouldn't be treated as a right. That attitude is part of the core issue so many have on the Right with ANY compromise, because at the end of the day such a fundamental underlying disagreement means that no compromise can be trusted to hold, since you don't think it should be a right.

Regardless, you compare owning guns to driver's license and the no-fly list. These are not comparable ideas. For instance, you do not actually need a driver's license to own or operate a car, you only need to it to be allowed to operate a car on public roads. So long as you're just on your private property with a car you can literally do anything you want with it, drive it around, etc. You can also sell it, trade it, modify it, etc. without having a license. The comparable thing is requiring licenses to CARRY a firearm in public, which many states have.

But here's the thing, if your driver's license is suspended or even removed the state doesn't come and seize your vehicles. So long as you remain on your property, you can still drive your car around and do things with it/to it. In fact, the State has only limited times and places they can impound your vehicle, and most of those fall into impeding public roads or if you've abandoned your vehicle on another person's property and they request it be removed.

Basically you owning and operating a car and your driver's license are two very different things and are unrelated to each other. All a driver's license allows you to do is drive your car on public roads. It is not required to own or to operate the vehicle on private property.

As to the no-fly list, that also flies in the face of the Due Process clause and is Unconstitutional as fuck and should be shut down just on those facts alone. The problem is a good court case hasn't come up yet, but when it finally does I expect the entire thing to get blown to pieces by the Supreme Court.

As such, your examples are both quite flawed, one is also a Due Process clause violation that should be shut down and as such, to me, one policy that fails the Due Process clause doesn't justify further policies that violate it.
 
Did leftoids ever care about not violating due process unless their own was violated? Because I'm having trouble remembering when they haven't tried to fuck other people's right to due process in pursuit of their dumbass leftarded goals.

What do you think some one who belives that all power is opression will do when they get power?

Because leftoids do not belive in a social contract, they do not belive in limits communists are quite simply put human monsters and have been such since day one.
 

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