What if Georg Elser would have killed Adolf Hitler in November 1939? Any thoughts on this, @sillygoose?
Georg Elser kills Adolf Hitler in November 1939?
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sillygoose
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Goering takes over. War goes on because the Allies would refuse to cut a deal that would be acceptable to Germany and vice versa, IOTL they tried repeatedly through Goering's friend in Sweden and couldn't agree to a deal. Goering is probably more pliable to the general staff than Hitler was, but I think largely the situation plays out roughly the same until 1941. Goering was opposed to war with the Soviets, but once in power he might change his mind since he was largely kept out of the loop in terms of intelligence about what was going on and the trade deals with the Soviets.
Kind of hard to say given that Goering might act differently when in power vs. when he could be a fat slob as the increasingly disfavored head of several institutions he largely didn't run.
Do you think that Goering would still adopt the Sickle-Cut Plan for France for 1940?
And do you think that a Mediterranean strategy was actually possible under Goering?
Anyway, if Barbarossa still occurs under his watch, then I wonder if Goering might be willing to agree to a Brest-Litovsk-style peace deal in late 1941 as a way to quickly and cheaply end the war with extremely massive territorial gains.
Also, what about the Holocaust? Nazi Germany will still have a food shortages problem, no? Especially without hindsight. (The good 1942 bumper crop harvest was not foreseeable ahead of time.)
sillygoose
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Yes he would because the general staff was headed in that direction after the Mechelin Incident. It forced the modification and the general staff was headed there anyway since it was the only alternative.
No the Mediterranean Strategy was predicated on Spain willingly joining the war, which they refused to do.
The Soviets didn't seem to want to actually deal. The Soviet agent involved said it was not a serious offer, not that the approach got very far. I doubt the Soviets were ever really serious about a deal in 1941 or 1942.
Yeah I think the food situation would result in mass starvation, so either the Nazis end up doing the killing themselves or let mass starvation do the dirty work.
What about if Mechelen doesn't occur due to butterflies?
Did he say that after the war in order to save his and Stalin's skins from the Western press?
Which of these two choices do you think that Goering would have made?
@sillygoose Do you believe that the Nazis would have adopted a different war plan in 1940 had the Mechelen Incident never actually occurred?