Gate: Thus The Empire Got Nowhere In Galactica’s Museum Pod

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Colonial kids enslaved ? something is not right here.Either saderans break treaty,or colonials agreed to something they should never agree.Not becouse morality,but becouse they were all free - and free romans or greeks do not agree to be enslaved.

Interesting,when colonials in Sadera undarstandt what is going on - and,that could dictate terms,not Saderans.

 

[Chiron]

Colonial kids enslaved ? something is not right here.Either saderans break treaty,or colonials agreed to something they should never agree.Not becouse morality,but becouse they were all free - and free romans or greeks do not agree to be enslaved.

Interesting,when colonials in Sadera undarstandt what is going on - and,that could dictate terms,not Saderans.

Colonials don't know about that part, only that orphans are being adopted out based on their understanding. And the Saderans have a point, the area around the Gate is a military zone and they can't keep cramming children into it. Armandus can always claim ignorance later. As for General Doreen, she was only just assigned after Canceron fell and she was the only ranking General still alive from there and who was willing to take the assignment. She had not been fully briefed on Sadera and did not know yet how the politics work. She was just told to head a military mission under the operational control of Sadera pending further settlements. Once the Saderans got that, the Orphans were deleted from the Colonial Rosters and added to the Saderan Rosters.

The Colonials need the Saderans, not the other way around. Sadera is their only hope of lifting the siege of Virgon and Leonis by providing the manpower, food, and safe harbor. If Sadera says nope, done, they can shut the Gate down.

 

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Colonials don't know about that part, only that orphans are being adopted out based on their understanding. And the Saderans have a point, the area around the Gate is a military zone and they can't keep cramming children into it. Armandus can always claim ignorance later. As for General Doreen, she was only just assigned after Canceron fell and she was the only ranking General still alive from there and who was willing to take the assignment. She had not been fully briefed on Sadera and did not know yet how the politics work. She was just told to head a military mission under the operational control of Sadera pending further settlements. Once the Saderans got that, the Orphans were deleted from the Colonial Rosters and added to the Saderan Rosters.

The Colonials need the Saderans, not the other way around. Sadera is their only hope of lifting the siege of Virgon and Leonis by providing the manpower, food, and safe harbor. If Sadera says nope, done, they can shut the Gate down.

manpower of 300.000 prymitive soldiers - not great.safe harbour as slavery is not safe.food - they could not deliver for 4 billions.In essence,all they offer now is slavery.Bad deal.

Saderans need colonials to conqer other states,colonials would survive or fall no matter what Saderan could do.

Interesting,what happen when reporters discover those enslaved kids.To be honest,colonials do not need Saderans now - they arleady helped them by their ill-timed invasion.
And could not help more,till they develop colonial industry.Which take at least 50 years.

 

[Chiron]

manpower of 300.000 prymitive soldiers - not great.safe harbour as slavery is not safe.food - they could not deliver for 4 billions.In essence,all they offer now is slavery.Bad deal.

Um try more 5,000,000 draftable/paid soldiers rising to 16,000,000 once the mechanization gets going. Bear in mind, the Colonials in Anabasis number some 8,000,000 people, of whom 200,000 are military personnel consisting of 160,000 navy personnel and 40,000 Marines, General Doreen Callahan has 180,000 Colonial Army Troops with 20,000 additional Air Force Personnel. The personal guard of the King of Virgon numbers another 5,000. Police force for civilian enforcement numbers 20,000.

With Sadera, the Colonials with their 3 Mobile Shipyards, 40 Lokis, and 4 Mercuries, plus numerous forge ships, can make more warships/strikecraft and crew them with re-trained Saderan Personnel. This will enable them to aggressively take the fight to the Cylons.

And with the Colonial Ability to create giant gems, Saderan Mages can use far more powerful foci for their spell work which will be seen later.

Then there is just plain religion. As far as the Colonials are concerned, the myths were true, the Saderans live amongst the Gods, Chiron (Centaur of Greek myth) is real and alive, and Apostles walk amongst mortals. If the gods are fine with slavery, they can't exactly come out against it.

 

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Um try more 5,000,000 draftable/paid soldiers rising to 16,000,000 once the mechanization gets going. Bear in mind, the Colonials in Anabasis number some 8,000,000 people, of whom 200,000 are military personnel consisting of 160,000 navy personnel and 40,000 Marines, General Doreen Callahan has 180,000 Colonial Army Troops with 20,000 additional Air Force Personnel. The personal guard of the King of Virgon numbers another 5,000. Police force for civilian enforcement numbers 20,000.

With Sadera, the Colonials with their 3 Mobile Shipyards, 40 Lokis, and 4 Mercuries, plus numerous forge ships, can make more warships/strikecraft and crew them with re-trained Saderan Personnel. This will enable them to aggressively take the fight to the Cylons.

And with the Colonial Ability to create giant gems, Saderan Mages can use far more powerful foci for their spell work which will be seen later.

Then there is just plain religion. As far as the Colonials are concerned, the myths were true, the Saderans live amongst the Gods, Chiron (Centaur of Greek myth) is real and alive, and Apostles walk amongst mortals. If the gods are fine with slavery, they can't exactly come out against it.

All that people must go through Galactica - which was suppose to hide from Cylons when rest of fleet run.Then you must deliver them to planet from Galactica.Which try to hide.
In other worlds - even if they have bilion of Astartes,it would not help them much.
They coud only reinforce fleet - which need trained crewmembers,not soldiers.
The same goes for gems - it would help Saderans conqer rest of the planet,not fight Cylons - becouse,hiding Galactica could send to fighting planets no more then few shuttles.Even filled with mages who het gems on planet,it not change much.

Slavery is not problem,problem is enslaving colonials.Greek would not care for barbarians enslaved,but anybody who enslaved his people is enemy.
Last chapter part of enslaving kids was unneccessarly - romans-like people would not enslave allies children,and greeks like people would not take it without war.

 

[Chiron]

All that people must go through Galactica - which was suppose to hide from Cylons when rest of fleet run.Then you must deliver them to planet from Galactica.Which try to hide.
In other worlds - even if they have bilion of Astartes,it would not help them much.
They coud only reinforce fleet - which need trained crewmembers,not soldiers.
The same goes for gems - it would help Saderans conqer rest of the planet,not fight Cylons - becouse,hiding Galactica could send to fighting planets no more then few shuttles.Even filled with mages who het gems on planet,it not change much.

Slavery is not problem,problem is enslaving colonials.Greek would not care for barbarians enslaved,but anybody who enslaved his people is enemy.
Last chapter part of enslaving kids was unneccessarly - romans-like people would not enslave allies children,and greeks like people would not take it without war.

Galactica isn't a lone wolf with no backup.

One Daidalos aka Ragnar Anchorage is with it, but also two other Mars-class Mobile Shipyards capable of building Mercury Class Battlestars and 40 Loki-class Heavy Tenders that can make Colonial Strike Craft of any type and shuttles.

227 Armed Auxiliaries of various classes: Tenders, repair ships, troop ships, stores, tugs, etc.

It also has 4 Mercury-class Battlestars under Admiral Belzen

6 other Jupiter-class Battlestars under Admiral Loran

3 Minerva-class Battlestars under Admiral Valenzuela.

3 Artemis-class under Admiral Callahan

6 Valkyrie-class Battlestars under Admiral Deng.

It also has 9 Atlas-class Supercarriers each with an Admiral. 3 are of the Royal Virgon Squadron

Then it has a large pool of Escorts to assign around at leisure:

5 Heracles-class Gunships

7 Minotaur-class Gunships

23 Janus-class Heavy Cruisers (9 are of the Royal Virgon Squadron)

60 Ranger-class Cruisers

39 Adamant-class Frigates

47 Bezerk-class Assault Carriers

17 Manticore-class Corvettes

Armed Civilian Ships are discounted as they are only good for fending off Raiders.

So Adama has far more freedom of action. Which you will see in the next installment when he has Belzen take the Mercury Battlegroup with escorts on raiding missions to hit Cylon Communication Relays, Tylium Refineries, and Staging Grounds, making it difficult to follow him. He will also be building new ships, and crewing them with Saderan and Vassal Nation's naval personnel. Adama need only buy time till Sadera is ready to help.

As for the enslavement portion, again, they are orphans, the Colonials didn't realize what signing them over meant, and once transferred into the Saderan's hands, they lost track of them. Armandus can claim ignorance later, but remember what his original purpose was. And as it is the Colonials have bigger worries than to check on orphans who as far as they know were adopted out. The only one who can press the case is Sister Karen, but all she knows is that they were adopted out and she is now relegated to a second camp where families of Colonial Military Personnel, Colonial Technicians, and the Colonial Mission are housed. Finally as an educator, and lay priestess, she has duties with the non-orphan children and lacks access to the main military base around the Gate which is now a secured military zone.

There is a story thread I have going and each element is one part of the journey.

 

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Galactica isn't a lone wolf with no backup.

One Daidalos aka Ragnar Anchorage is with it, but also two other Mars-class Mobile Shipyards capable of building Mercury Class Battlestars and 40 Loki-class Heavy Tenders that can make Colonial Strike Craft of any type and shuttles.

227 Armed Auxiliaries of various classes: Tenders, repair ships, troop ships, stores, tugs, etc.

It also has 4 Mercury-class Battlestars under Admiral Belzen

6 other Jupiter-class Battlestars under Admiral Loran

3 Minerva-class Battlestars under Admiral Valenzuela.

3 Artemis-class under Admiral Callahan

6 Valkyrie-class Battlestars under Admiral Deng.

It also has 9 Atlas-class Supercarriers each with an Admiral. 3 are of the Royal Virgon Squadron

Then it has a large pool of Escorts to assign around at leisure:

5 Heracles-class Gunships

7 Minotaur-class Gunships

23 Janus-class Heavy Cruisers (9 are of the Royal Virgon Squadron)

60 Ranger-class Cruisers

39 Adamant-class Frigates

47 Bezerk-class Assault Carriers

17 Manticore-class Corvettes

Armed Civilian Ships are discounted as they are only good for fending off Raiders.

So Adama has far more freedom of action. Which you will see in the next installment when he has Belzen take the Mercury Battlegroup with escorts on raiding missions to hit Cylon Communication Relays, Tylium Refineries, and Staging Grounds, making it difficult to follow him. He will also be building new ships, and crewing them with Saderan and Vassal Nation's naval personnel. Adama need only buy time till Sadera is ready to help.

As for the enslavement portion, again, they are orphans, the Colonials didn't realize what signing them over meant, and once transferred into the Saderan's hands, they lost track of them. Armandus can claim ignorance later, but remember what his original purpose was. And as it is the Colonials have bigger worries than to check on orphans who as far as they know were adopted out. The only one who can press the case is Sister Karen, but all she knows is that they were adopted out and she is now relegated to a second camp where families of Colonial Military Personnel, Colonial Technicians, and the Colonial Mission are housed. Finally as an educator, and lay priestess, she has duties with the non-orphan children and lacks access to the main military base around the Gate which is now a secured military zone.

There is a story thread I have going and each element is one part of the journey.

All that fleet would be running from colonial space.And could not deliver any help,becouse it would all go through Galactica portal,and must be delivered elsywhere by shuttles.
Besides,what help could Saderan deliver ? cannonfodder with bad training,monsters easy killed by Cylons,and food.Only potentialy usable help would be mages,if they get colonial crystals.

If Saderans enslaved 3 orphans,you are right.If more,colonials would knew - and for greek enslaving their people was crime which lead to war.
You are right,that they do not cared about enslaving others - but enslaving their own people is another thing.Blood would flow in that case.

You try to show that Saderans are monsters - but it was unneccessarly,we arleady knew that.Problem is - they are not stupid monsters,so they would not risked their alliance for slaves.
Saderans could gain entire planet for helping colonials,and enslave all others there - so why bother with enslaving colonials?

They really need colonials more here,becouse are useful help they arleady get thanks to being warned for Cylons attack.
Cannonfodder,monsters - they no need it,food - Saderans could deliver for 4% of their population,only mages could be useful.

 

[Chiron]

All that fleet would be running from colonial space.And could not deliver any help,becouse it would all go through Galactica portal,and must be delivered elsywhere by shuttles.
Besides,what help could Saderan deliver ? cannonfodder with bad training,monsters easy killed by Cylons,and food.Only potentialy usable help would be mages,if they get colonial crystals.

If Saderans enslaved 3 orphans,you are right.If more,colonials would knew - and for greek enslaving their people was crime which lead to war.
You are right,that they do not cared about enslaving others - but enslaving their own people is another thing.Blood would flow in that case.

You try to show that Saderans are monsters - but it was unneccessarly,we arleady knew that.Problem is - they are not stupid monsters,so they would not risked their alliance for slaves.
Saderans could gain entire planet for helping colonials,and enslave all others there - so why bother with enslaving colonials?

They really need colonials more here,becouse are useful help they arleady get thanks to being warned for Cylons attack.
Cannonfodder,monsters - they no need it,food - Saderans could deliver for 4% of their population,only mages could be useful.

You are fundamentally misunderstanding the actual picture.

Galactica has the portal, yes. And vessels the size of the Gemenon Traveler and Colonial 1 can go through them. But as they get organized and cut a deal with Hardy, the Gate will be transferred onto Daidalos superstructure so Galactica can become fully operational.

Also Sadera has a large manpower pool plus a standing army that can be retrained or drafted and trained. A process already underway. In fact, the Colonials will be building a full fledged Battlestar Group crewed entirely by Saderans and Vassals which will at a certain point breakoff and head to their home with two of the Civilian Fleet Groups and one of the Mars Mobile Dockyards.

Again, the Colonials don't know the Orphans got enslaved, it's only a few thousand and largely from female children already in space at the time and who could be evacuated. Given real world precedent and paper trail breakdowns, it can indeed happen. The vast majority of Colonial children were either old enough that the Saderans ignored them as draftable/employable manpower, or had their families with them.

You are making a molehill out of nothing.

 

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You are fundamentally misunderstanding the actual picture.

Galactica has the portal, yes. And vessels the size of the Gemenon Traveler and Colonial 1 can go through them. But as they get organized and cut a deal with Hardy, the Gate will be transferred onto Daidalos superstructure so Galactica can become fully operational.

Also Sadera has a large manpower pool plus a standing army that can be retrained or drafted and trained. A process already underway. In fact, the Colonials will be building a full fledged Battlestar Group crewed entirely by Saderans and Vassals which will at a certain point breakoff and head to their home with two of the Civilian Fleet Groups and one of the Mars Mobile Dockyards.

Again, the Colonials don't know the Orphans got enslaved, it's only a few thousand and largely from female children already in space at the time and who could be evacuated. Given real world precedent and paper trail breakdowns, it can indeed happen. The vast majority of Colonial children were either old enough that the Saderans ignored them as draftable/employable manpower, or had their families with them.

You are making a molehill out of nothing.

1.You still need deliver goods from Gate on besieged planets - with shuttles.Cylons would track them,and destroy or take over Gate.If you do not want probems,just made Gate on one of besieged planets.

2.they have 300.000 soldiers,and another 200.000 vassals.Trained are even worst then fresh recruits - becouse you must break their bad habits of fighting in big formations.To be honest,buing young slaves who never fought would be more useful.No bad habits.
Crewing spaceship with ancient warriorrs....good idea,those ships could be considered arleady lost.You need technicans who undarstandt modern technology - in other worlds,modern people after years of training.

3.Saderans still should be not stupid enough to risk their aliance for few thousends enslaved girls,not everybody there is Zorzal.You want show how bad they are - do that with bunnygirls,other demihumans,even humans who are not colonials.
Becouse greeks really cared about other people enslaving their own peope,even if they were poor and unimportant.



And it eventually become known - after that colonials must punish those who did so,not becouse they care,but becouse otherwise their political rivals would use that to take power from them.

 

[Chiron]

1.You still need deliver goods from Gate on besieged planets - with shuttles.Cylons would track them,and destroy or take over Gate.If you do not want probems,just made Gate on one of besieged planets.

2.they have 300.000 soldiers,and another 200.000 vassals.Trained are even worst then fresh recruits - becouse you must break their bad habits of fighting in big formations.To be honest,buing young slaves who never fought would be more useful.No bad habits.
Crewing spaceship with ancient warriorrs....good idea,those ships could be considered arleady lost.You need technicans who undarstandt modern technology - in other worlds,modern people after years of training.

3.Saderans still should be not stupid enough to risk their aliance for few thousends enslaved girls,not everybody there is Zorzal.You want show how bad they are - do that with bunnygirls,other demihumans,even humans who are not colonials.
Becouse greeks really cared about other people enslaving their own peope,even if they were poor and unimportant.



And it eventually become known - after that colonials must punish those who did so,not becouse they care,but becouse otherwise their political rivals would use that to take power from them.

The Gate is currently heavily defended and not accessible to the Cylons. Their best chance was to seize the Galactica and it failed. Daidalos is too well defended to seize once it takes the Gate.

Goods and people can be transhipped to Daidalos and from their loaded onto larger ships. Larger ships the Colonials have. Colonial Heavy-class and Gemenon Traveler-type vessels can do the main moving till ships better optimized to use the Gate are made and later deals with Hardy and Saderan Mages allow for ships to just Far-Jump to Sadera without fear of messed up jump calculations leading to destruction.

Sadera has more than 300,000 Soldiers, raising 3 entire Armies of hundreds of thousands in the canon conflict with Japan. Losing 2 of them completely. Retraining them is a matter of weeks. Also the modern military still fights in formations and uses lines of battle in tactical engagements to maximize firepower and avoid shooting each other in the back. Just watch modern combat footage.



Note how bunched up these US and Afghan Troops are in order to maximize firepower. Yes if the Taliban could bring mortars down, it would hurt them, but at the same time, if they are too spread out, they risk a concerted Taliban attack breaking their line. Mass is a thing in warfare, and a well trained military knows when to mass and when to disperse as needed.

Saderans would recognize Colonial Formations as a skirmisher type formation and grasp it easily once firearms are placed in their hands. Then its just drill, drill, drill.

And Saderans crewing ships is also doable, Sadera does have a navy and their crews can be retrained. They already crew ships with ballistae and catapults, so Colonial Coil Guns are a concept they can grasp and work with. Technical aspects are a matter of training and education which can be done in a short time frame. USN does train large numbers of High School Graduates in complex ship operations in a matter of months after all. The Colonial Navy has photorealistic VR stimulators to do the same thing and stimulate failure drills so Saderan Crews can prepare for worse case scenarios. Wyvern Flyers can be thrown into Colonial VR stimulators and trained in a matter of days to weeks to fly Vipers as was shown in the Canon Episodes of neo-BSG.

So it is doable based on actual historical evidence and what we seen in-series for neo-BSG.

As for the enslavement of Colonial Orphan Children, nothing comes of it, even if the Colonials find out. The US after all never punished Pakistan for its double dealing and covered up worse shit than even Pakistan did for other Allies due to political convenience. Fuck, the neo-BSG fleet had a crime lord running a pedophilia market, and despite what Lee thought, that market continued after he left. Killing Phelan just meant his successor was smart enough to not touch the Colonial Military Personnel or their Mistresses which would draw Lee out again.

Again fits with canon and historical realities.

 

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The Gate is currently heavily defended and not accessible to the Cylons. Their best chance was to seize the Galactica and it failed. Daidalos is too well defended to seize once it takes the Gate.

Goods and people can be transhipped to Daidalos and from their loaded onto larger ships. Larger ships the Colonials have. Colonial Heavy-class and Gemenon Traveler-type vessels can do the main moving till ships better optimized to use the Gate are made and later deals with Hardy and Saderan Mages allow for ships to just Far-Jump to Sadera without fear of messed up jump calculations leading to destruction.

Sadera has more than 300,000 Soldiers, raising 3 entire Armies of hundreds of thousands in the canon conflict with Japan. Losing 2 of them completely. Retraining them is a matter of weeks. Also the modern military still fights in formations and uses lines of battle in tactical engagements to maximize firepower and avoid shooting each other in the back. Just watch modern combat footage.



Note how bunched up these US and Afghan Troops are in order to maximize firepower. Yes if the Taliban could bring mortars down, it would hurt them, but at the same time, if they are too spread out, they risk a concerted Taliban attack breaking their line. Mass is a thing in warfare, and a well trained military knows when to mass and when to disperse as needed.

Saderans would recognize Colonial Formations as a skirmisher type formation and grasp it easily once firearms are placed in their hands. Then its just drill, drill, drill.

And Saderans crewing ships is also doable, Sadera does have a navy and their crews can be retrained. They already crew ships with ballistae and catapults, so Colonial Coil Guns are a concept they can grasp and work with. Technical aspects are a matter of training and education which can be done in a short time frame. USN does train large numbers of High School Graduates in complex ship operations in a matter of months after all. The Colonial Navy has photorealistic VR stimulators to do the same thing and stimulate failure drills so Saderan Crews can prepare for worse case scenarios. Wyvern Flyers can be thrown into Colonial VR stimulators and trained in a matter of days to weeks to fly Vipers as was shown in the Canon Episodes of neo-BSG.

So it is doable based on actual historical evidence and what we seen in-series for neo-BSG.

As for the enslavement of Colonial Orphan Children, nothing comes of it, even if the Colonials find out. The US after all never punished Pakistan for its double dealing and covered up worse shit than even Pakistan did for other Allies due to political convenience. Fuck, the neo-BSG fleet had a crime lord running a pedophilia market, and despite what Lee thought, that market continued after he left. Killing Phelan just meant his successor was smart enough to not touch the Colonial Military Personnel or their Mistresses which would draw Lee out again.

Again fits with canon and historical realities.

Gate is safe - good.They still could not safely deliver anything in bigger numbers to besieged planets.I suggest mages,they could use local crystals to become stronger.

ancient soldiers quickly trained to fight modern war means cannonfodder.They really should just buy slaves.It would be cheaper.But - cannonfodder had it uses.If Saderans want lost their sildiers instead of slaves,good for them.

ancient sailors on limited spaceships,on other hand...they woud lost those ships quickly.Bad idea.

enslaved children - colonials do not cared about it as we do,but just becouse of that they cared more about their own.And politician could not pretend that nothing happen,becouse they would be replaced.
I knew,that you try to show how bad saderans are - but it was not neccesarly,we knew that arleady.

 

[Chiron]

Chapter 6

11:30 PM-Day 26 since 2nd Cylon War Began​

Legatus Armandus used the Colonial Binoculars he was given to survey the training field as 5,000 legionaries utilized Colonial Weaponry in a major training advance. Colonial Army trainers and officers oversaw the exercise as the legion advanced. Canvas targets across the field were riddled with chalk rounds as they were called. He could clearly see them with the night setting on. Mortar rounds exploded ahead of the advance. His boys were not yet proficient enough in mortars to participate in the exercise so the mortar teams were all Colonial as were the tanks and IFVs supporting the training advance.

“Grizzly Actual, CEF Actual, get your section aligned with Bearcat’s, don’t lead Armandus’ boys astray.” General Doreen ordered over her radio while also observing with her own binoculars.

Within a minute, the 4th Cohort realigned with the 5th Cohort.

“Impressive those radios, I would have had to send a courier and it would have taken an hour to an hour and a half to fix the misalignment. Assuming I could have seen it at that range without these binoculars. In fact, I would not have even tried for a night attack like this.” Armandus remarked as he scanned the field.

“Oh they are useful, when the enemy isn’t jamming them. This is a special frequency hopping one to counteract that. But we still have flares and smoke signals as backups. In fact, Barker is sending up a marker now to signal artillery spotters to adjust their fires if we had them in this exercise, as well as the mortar teams.” Doreen replied.

A portion of a joint Colonial and Saderan Machine Gun Company rose up and moved up to get to new firing positions to continue to provide effective fire support while the other portion waited for them to move. Further on, the mortars adjusted their fall of rounds to go further ahead of the advance.

“A few more weeks and your troops should be competent enough with our firearms to operate without our technical aid. You can then repurpose your horses and wyverns to civilian tasks or niche roles.” General Doreen commented.

“Going from horses of flesh to horses of iron and iron birds instead of wyverns, change is and always was inevitable. No doubt many holdout kingdoms will change their minds upon seeing what we are capable of.” Armandus mused as the purple smoke was popped, indicating the objective had been reached.

“This is Aeterna Actual to Alnus Actual, exercise complete.” Legatus Colt Formal, commander of the Aeterna Legion, and Count of Italica called over the radio. He had taken to the new way of war most whole heartedly of everyone.

Picking up his own radio, Armandus replied, “Alnus Actual to Aeterna Actual, good work, tell your troops to rest and meet with me and CEF Actual for a debrief. Bring your Tribunes. Alnus Actual Out.”

“Got any of that Posca?” Doreen asked as she back flipped off her perch on the command vehicle and landed next to Armandus. Her mechanical legs took the impact, which with her mechanical arm were a legacy of the First Cylon War when she defended a critical chokepoint in hand-to-hand combat on her homeworld of Canceron.

“Here, from my own flask,” Armandus offered her.

“Thank you.” Doreen accepted the flask and took a swig. “Ah, just what this old girl needed. And there are the command vehicles coming up now.”

Four Humvees came up and disgorged the Count Formal and his staff in their Colonial Battledress plus a Colonial Brigadier General and his staff.

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Admiral Belzen shook off the jump effect as his four Mercury-class Battlestars and 17 Manticore Corvettes formed up. Panache and a female Mage named Betsy La Uria stood opposite the command table from him and Colonel Belzen.

Betsy had her hands on two giant sapphires and was providing a detailed real picture of the battlespace via her scrying which combined with signals reconnaissance had revealed this Cylon Base, the first of 2 targets he would be hitting before rendezvousing with the Lokis.

“Hoshi, signal Mercuries to bring main batteries on the Cylon Communication Relay and Manticores to prepare flak projection at Killboxes 4a and 6a. Time on target.”

“Aye sir.”

“Jump signatures detected on the far side of the moon.” Belzen spoke as he picked up the phone to give orders as necessary.

“Flak fields now.” Belzen ordered.

“Sent,” Hoshi replied.

The Cylons jumped right into the killboxes which would give them the best position to launch nukes and exploded.

“Sir, firing solutions ready.” Hoshi spoke from his station.

“Fire.”

Watching the projection by the mage, Belzen saw the relay explode.

“Signal the fleet to begin spooling FTLs and pilots to their birds.” Belzen ordered.

“Pilots man your birds.” Fisk ordered.

Panache visibly braced herself for the sensation of jumping which she was still getting used to. She had no clue how Betsy was utterly unbothered by it as she scryed the next target area of a Cylon Staging Area.

“Coordinates synchronized,” Hoshi called out.

“Jump.”

Panache stiffened as her senses stretched from the temporal distortion in space time ripped by brute force of the Colonials. Hardy’s Gate was a far more stable and gentler form of what the Colonials could do. Still, she kept watch and silent as she observed in order to report back to the Princess.

“Jumps complete. Registering 40 Tylium Fueling Stations and 9 Basestars with 19 escorts of the Talon-class.” Hoshi called out.

“Make it 12 Basestars. 3 just jumped behind the 21st Moon of this Gas Giant. Nuclear launch authorized, time on target, set to proximity fuse, no burn. Let the Cylons think they are PCMs till it’s too late as they use the slingshot. Fighters clear to launch. Execute.”

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“For the Princess and the Emperor!” Decurion Darius Sol Karkaroff shouted just as he was accelerated out of the Launch Tube in his first combat sortie with 19 fellow Wyvern Fliers trained to be Viper Pilots. The past 12 days had been intense Colonial Simulator Training and class work to prepare him for this fight and now he was ready to prove himself worthy.

“Wyvern Squadron form on me and be ready to follow us in. Teal Squadron, punch us a hole through there.” Pegasus’ CAG spoke over the radio.

“Acknowledge Stinger. Wyverns with me.” Karkaroff responded.

“By the Gods, look at the size of that flock.” Trooper Menalus radioed.

“Cut the chatter and prepare to engage.” Karkaroff ordered as he tightened his grip on the throttle.

……………………………..

Panache observed as the Colonials’ Vipers and Raptors and Cylons’ Raiders clashed. The preferred Colonial Tactic of using their Raptors to launch a missile volley before the Vipers exploited it was on full display.

“Incoming ordinance,” Hoshi announced before the ship shook from the impacts.

“DC teams to AA34 Frame 6.” Belzen ordered over a phone.

“Hoshi, signal Manticores to attack the Refineries. Mercuries to engage the enemy more closely.” Belzen ordered.

“How close?”

“Right down their throats.”

…………………

Karkaroff watched the Mercuries’ engines flare as they accelerated before blasting another Raider. Further off in the rear, 9 nukes went off, taking out a trio of Basestars.

“Stinger to attack groups, continue protective cover of the Mercuries. Xerxes, your squad on me. Wyvern Leader, take point with your Squad.”

“Acknowledged Stinger. Wyvern Squadron, stay close to your wing mate and prepare for long range fires. Execute.”

Karkaroff throttled up and pushed the accelerator as his squadron of 20 Vipers opened up at a new mass of Raiders, forcing them to break up. Rolling into the attack, Karkaroff went for a deflection shot at a Raider, destroying it. Switching to missiles, Karkaroff gave his orders.

“Wyvern Squad, switch to missiles and engage the Talon, execute.”

Sensing their obedience and their close formation as flak burst around them, Karkaroff waited for the tone to blare loud before yelling, “Fire!” Pushing hard on the button, Karkaroff watched their missiles slam into the Cylon Escort and cause it to spin out of control before breaking up.

“Wyvern Leader, head to way point 490 and link up Makarov’s group. We’re going in deep.”

“Copy Stinger, Wyvern Squad, stay with me.”

As one, the Saderan Knights flew into the developing swirl of dogfights breaking out at waypoint 490. Tracers crisscrossed Cylon tracers, as the Saderans engaged in support of their Colonial Kin.

…………………………..

Glass shattered in the CIC from several impacts and Panache wondered why they even used glass here if it was only to get shattered and form a potential hazard.

Betsy’s Projection showed the Cylon Basestars taking multiple main battery rounds and breaking apart. Manticores began launching missiles at the Tylium Refineries. Within a minute, the refineries exploded in massive firework displays.

“Cylons spooling up FTL drives. They’re running. The Mobile Tylium Refineries are destroyed.” Hoshi reported.

Belzen picked a phone and handed it to Panache, “Panache inform fighters to make combat landings. Hoshi signal fleet to jump to the Rendezvous upon fighter recovery.”

Taking the phone, Panache did as Belzen asked. “All fighters, return home, combat landings authorized.”

Betsy shuddered and fell to her knees. “Water.” She croaked.

Panache grabbed her cup and brought to the Mage. “Here Mage Betsy.”

Betsy drank greedily before speaking again. “I never had such power before; normally I can only see a vastly smaller area. Even then it took a team to coordinate a proper scrying. It’s why it’s an avoided field; the resources to do it are expensive and rare. Finding a sponsor is hard even amongst the nobility who can afford the reagents. Often what we get are metaphors and vague outlines. This is a whole new power which will earn me a doctorate when I return to Rondel.”

“I have visited numerous Oracles, whose skills seem to be in your area. But they use Chamalla and what they say is often riddles and metaphors. Really good ones can repeat verbatim what was said in meetings they never were present in and in perfect voice emulation. Mayhaps I can arrange for some to assist you.” Belzen interjected.

“Thank you, but for now I must rest. Piercing the fabric of space and time has been tiring.”

“I understand Mage Betsy, thank you for all your assistance.” Belzen smiled before returning to his duties. “Colonel Fisk, arrange a telecom of the Commanders after the rendezvous, we have to plan the next stage of our attacks to shake the Cylons off and buy more time for Virgon and Leonis till the Saderans can tip the scales.”

“Wyvern Leader to Pegasus, all aboard, nothing but toasters behind me.” Karkaroff’s voice came over the intercom.

“FTL’s ready across the fleet.” Mr. Hoshi announced.

“Jump.”

Grabbing the phone again, as the Jump completed, Panache called Wyvern Leader. “Decurion, report status of your flock.”

“Lady Panache, all returned safely. You can tell the Princess we fought with honor so she can tell the Emperor.”

………………………….

Arpeggio approached Coda Village, as she did so; the village folk felt her aura and stared at her in equal parts awe and terror.

“Greetings, is Master Cato and my sister Lelei here?” Arpeggio asked the butcher’s boy, now a young teen since she last saw him.

“Your holiness, Master Cato and Lelei are still here. They just came back from business in Italica.”

“Thank you Micah. I shall go see them now.” Arpeggio graciously thanked the Butcher’s son with a reassuring squeeze of his shoulder as she noted a strange carriage, with its draught animals nowhere to be seen, being loaded by troops in spotted garb overseen by an Imperial Officer who wasn’t wearing his sword for some odd reason, but still carried his Vinewood Stick while the soldiers wore their phalerae or other decorations except for one who wore some sort of heraldic patch(?) on his shoulder.

Moving on, dismissing the strange carriage and garb for the moment, Arpeggio arrived in time to see her Sister blast Master Cato again, most likely for saying something perverted about her, Arpeggio, again.

“I see you haven’t changed at all Master Cato, but I am in a benevolent mood.”

“Sister when…” Lelei stopped as she turned around and stared. Cato as well when he turned around as well.

Pulling her half-sister into her embrace, Arpeggio spoke softly. “I had to see you one last time before I must depart to Alnus. Something strange has occurred and our patron gods want to know what Hardy has gotten our world into. Rumors are swirling that Chiron is assembling the Centaurs under his banner for the first time in centuries and there are these strange iron birds being seen and reports of a vast Human Empire beyond the Gate that needs our help. I don’t know when I will be coming back or if I will return before… Before you pass away.”

“Sister…” Lelei replied in shock.

Taking out her beads, Arpeggio placed them around Lelei’s neck. “I don’t need these anymore for my magic. I would be honored if you kept them in the Lalena line to be passed on to my nieces as my first holy artifact.”

Lelei fingered the beads as tears entered her eyes. “I will keep these safe sister and one day we will see each other again.”

“Enough solemnity,” Arpeggio smiled, “By the way what is with that strange carriage? Is it an overbuilt Dwarf design?”

……………………………

“Sir, Ma’am, Gate Guard just notified me that her Holiness, the Apostle Arpeggio El Lalena has come to the Camp with Centurion Karus. Old Master Cato and his apprentice have arrived as well.” Scribe Alaurus announced to Armandus and Doreen as they ate dinner together.

Doreen raised an eyebrow at Armandus as she took another bite of her steak while reading through a report. “Don’t recall her being mentioned as an Apostle.”

“She wasn’t unless she was recently elevated and a messenger departed to fetch her for some Mage Project aboard the Galactica anyway; bring her up along with Master Cato and his apprentice soldier,” Armandus spoke as Mairan refilled his ale.

“Mairan and Buran, prepare refreshments for our guests,” Armandus further ordered as he stood up and donned his purple cloak.

Standing up herself, Doreen re-buttoned her uniform jacket, “More mages, with the amount of them you have and their ability to flip off established science, I’m surprised you don’t have magitech.”

Armandus raised an eyebrow, “One day you will have to explain to me what you mean by magitech. Most of what you use is magic to me anyway.”

Within minutes General Doreen Callahan found two young ladies and an old man in a wizard hat, all three carrying staffs of office. The eldest lady came forth, radiating an aura of power that marked her as a demigod.

“Legatus Longinus, I am Arpeggio El Lalena, Apostle of Elange, God of Magic. The Great Horror occurred before my patrons’ time and the coming of a Kobolian Artifact has distressed them greatly. What is Hardy up to? What have you done?” Arpeggio asked calmly while amplifying her dread aura.

“Your Holiness, Hardy merely granted the Emperor’s wish to use the Gate to expand the Empire to more worlds. We had no clue where it would lead to and placed our trust in Hardy to not send us to our deaths.” Armandus replied, prostrating himself at her feet in mortal terror. “Whatever Hardy’s plan was, we are innocent of it.”

Arpeggio dismissed her aura, and turned to the strange woman who had resisted her aura. “Who are you mortal?”

“General Doreen Callahan, commander of the Colonial Expeditionary Forces attached to Saderan Operational Command. I’m ensuring this world is ready for the Cylons and… What is that messenger tearing up dirt for?” Doreen looked past Arpeggio, causing her to turn as well at a Colonial MP on a bike with siren blaring.

“General, Legatus,” The MP saluted both in turn, “I came in person as I didn’t want to say this over the radio. But…” The MP paused for a moment and collected himself, “Lady Pelionides, daughter of Chiron, wishes an audience with the command staff.”

Doreen’s jaw dropped, Armandus and Arpeggio were taken aback, Lelei knocked Master Cato over the head for saying something perverted.

“Get an honor guard for the lady!” Armandus ordered.

“Joe, get Mother Emily and Father Erik now, and you girls,” Doreen pointed at Mairan and Buran, “Get fresh tea brewed along with fresh pastries!”

“She has never been known to travel from her refuge,” Arpeggio spoke in shock. “Lelei, is my hair messy at all.”

“Its fine sister,” Lelei reassured her while shooting Master Cato a look of warning to not say anything perverted.

Within minutes, a reception was had as several Colonial and Saderan troops formed up as an honor guard and two Colonial Clergy showed up. No sooner had they set up than Pelionides came up. Despite the thick opaque veil covering her head and face with only her eyes visible, her glowing body was almost too bright to look upon as she came up with 4 Centaur Warriors in full plate armor wielding axes, one having stylized wings that revealed him as Chief Oron, her mate. A trio of centaur handmaids, who like all Centaur Females veiled their faces below their eyes at a minimum, rounded out the delegation.

“Greetings, General Doreen Callahan of the Tribe of Cancer. I am Pelionides. Come, take my hand. Do not be afraid.”

Doreen took a moment to look at the offered hand before moving forth, upon taking Pelionides’ hand, Doreen let out a startled, “What?”

Armandus watched in amazement as Doreen’s grey hair turned vibrant red, her robotic hand become flesh and presumably her legs as well. One of Pelionides’ handmaids held up a mirror for Doreen revealing a scar free and youthful face as Doreen stared in shock.

“In honor of his ancient pact with his half-siblings who dwelt on Olympus and in memory of the mighty heroes of the 13 tribes of man, my father has mustered all the Centaur Tribes to his banner and will aide you in your hour of need.” Pelionides kissed Doreen’s forehead through her veil.

In reverent awe the Colonials knelt before the Centaur Princess, while the Saderans being more used to Gods and Apostles walking around were just glad they weren’t getting judged at the moment.

“Apostle Arpeggio, we and the Command Staff have much to discuss before my father arrives with the Emperor.” Lady Pelionides spoke as she came up to the newly risen Apostle.

………………………..

Emperor Augustus enjoyed tea with Queen Medusa and her handmaids as they watched in amusement at Princess Kara’s and Dee’s antics as they used Prince Zorsal and Prince Diablo as their pretend horses. Zorsal was an enthusiastic participant, causing Kara to have great joy, while Diablo kept shooting Molt silent pleas for help while Dee delighted in his misery as she coiled around him.

“If your Majesty is willing to supply the concrete, we can certainly expand the harbor and quadruple our shipments of myrrh and frankincense,” Queen Medusa spoke. “However, that will attract pirates from Avion and to date you have not been successful in suppressing their fleets in the rare moments they stop fighting each other. And while we would love to supply you the sulfur you need to replicate their explosive powder, we want equal access to it for our own security.”

Molt poured more tea for the Queen, “Our expedition on Orichale Island has found Sulphur,” Molt spoke, leaving out the fact the sulfur deposits were controlled by the Enteral Kingdom which held a near impregnable defense the Wyvern Corps had been unable to breach yet.

The Queen smiled beneath her diaphanous face veil. “Your Majesty, the Enteral Kingdom controls those mines and your Army have been unable to crack their defenses. Wouldn’t you agree that a mutual venture to replicate the Avion’s cannons would be in our mutual interests?”

“Your Majesty is well informed,” Molt conceded, “I will have to consult with the Mages Guild for advice on alternatives to counter Avion’s cannons that will enable us to end their piracy.” Molt diplomatically shot down the proposal; he still hoped to gain an advantage to force her Kingdom’s vassalage or conquest. Unlike the undisciplined and fractious warrior bunnies, who defeated themselves just as much as the Empire had, the Medusae were a disciplined people with a strong civilization. He saw utility in making them vassals, whereas the Rabbits weren’t worth the trouble and hopefully several generations of slavery would render them docile like the snake haired Medusa.

Queen Medusa offered Molt a grape from her own hand which he accepted, “If the security can’t be guaranteed, then there is no point expanding our harbor after the last raid by Avion.”

“Your majesties, my apologies, but a courier from King Chiron just arrived; he had been ambushed by bandits and died after handing me this letter and explaining its import.” A centurion announced as he came up, escorted by 2 of the Emperor’s Lictors.

“Girls, the Emperor must consult with his sons, you can play later.” Queen Medusa motioned two of her handmaids forward to get her daughters as the Emperor took hold of the scroll.

Diablo with the look of a condemned man, spared the cross, ran quickly to his father without looking back. Zorsal by contrast was apologetic and gave Princess Kara an affectionate pat on the head and a promise to play with her again before walking forward. Queen Medusa graciously poured tea for the 2 princes of the Saderan Empire in thanks for playing with her daughters.

“What does the letter say,” Diablo asked impatiently while Zorsal thanked the Queen for the tea.

Molt raised an eyebrow at his son’s bluntness, but answered, “Chiron has called his banners and will rendezvous with us at the banks of Urdfen to aide us. The last of this is addressed to the Queen in her native script.” Molt rolled up the scroll and handed it to Queen Medusa who read it carefully before placing it in the fire with no hints to its contents.

“Your Majesty, I must put the princesses to bed, General Arrakis will attend your councils as matters of war are not my expertise.” The Queen offered her hands to the Emperor.

“The pleasure was mine, we shall speak again your Majesty.” Molt kissed her hands and saw her off before turning to his sons. “Diablo, take 20 Wyverns and fly ahead to King Duran and inform him that Chiron is enroute to join us and then go to the Granaries of Italica and requisition all the stores there.”

“Yes father I shall go at once.”

“Zorsal, leave your slave in the camp and take 200 knights to the Borado Pass, Chiron will be passing through there in order to make the rendezvous. Greet and escort him in.”

“Aye father I will see it done.”

“Everyone else, to avoid congestion I will have the Queen’s troops lead as they will clear quicker, but move the packs behind her as Chiron and his forces will be tired as they come up and will need access to refreshments. The rest of the Army will follow behind.” Molt explained.

…………………………

Molt lifted the curtains to the Queen’s tent and entered. She had requested him for a private meeting and his agents had reported she had had her handmaidens take the Princesses to another tent for the night, leaving just 2 with her.

Letting his eyes adjust he found the Queen reclining on her dais with just her face veil and earrings. Two of her handmaids stood close by.

“Come in Molt, it is just us, I have tea and pastries prepared.”

Reading between the lines, Molt smiled and played along, he knew full well what Chiron’s letter said ad a portion of it was for him as well. Thus the Queen chose vassalage to the Empire, and this was the Queen’s way of saving face and in truth this was to Sadera’s advantage, though he had no clue what this Tylium was that Chiron spoke of being in Sezzah’s mountain range that necessitated him marrying the Queen and having his sons marry her daughters. But Chiron’s wisdom was not to be questioned. He was older than the Gods after all.

“You didn’t have to go to the trouble of doing so Medusa. But I would be a poor guest if I refused.” Molt replied as he went forward.

Adjusting her torso in a way only possible for her species, Medusa poured Molt tea and offered him a pastry from her own hand which he accepted. “Molt after thinking things through, the security of my realm depends upon the Empire, and with the recent turn of events, our people must work together.”

“I certainly agree Medusa; the Empire will always stand by its Allies and guarantee their sovereignty and territorial integrity.” Molt spoke and waited for her to take the next step in securing her vassalage to the Empire.

“What surety for my daughters will you offer, if I allow the port expansion, merger of our navies, and the export of sulfur?”

Molt considered the gains to be had. Sulfur was the one critical resource he needed to produce explosive powder to counter Avion and to massively expand agricultural production like Avion had. And gaining the Medusan Navy would give him the edge to end the Avion threat due to their excellent swimming abilities. Mermaids were better at swimming but could not go far inland.

“I will adopt your daughters as my own, giving them two senate seats with which to place their proxies on in addition to your own. I will also put at their disposal units of the Legions to ensure no coup is successful against them. And I will give them my sons as Husbands.” Molt offered. It was standard fare, in a face saving way for the vassals that kept them compliant with a voice in decision making, but he was going farther to secure her realm than that.

Medusa smiled and leant forward, waving forth her handmaid Eliza who brought forth parchment and Handmaid Vaeta who brought forth ink and quill, “Shall we draw up the terms?”

“Certainly, for the expansion of the Harbor, I will provide the concrete to expand the harbor and more to build the trade roads and aqueducts through your kingdom. Your daughters and yourself will be able to place 3 proxies on the Senate to represent you. To guard the work 3 legions and 1 Alae of Cavalry will be deployed. In payment, the Sezzah Navy will be disbanded and absorbed into the Saderan Navy, and you will become my wife.” Molt laid down the terms, generous terms too, and with 2 of his 5 wives dead, she would a manageable 4th and their crowns would be kept separate unless the Senate approved a union of crowns in conjunction with her own nobility.

Medusa blinked and her smile increased, Chiron’s letter may have caused her to become a vassal to the Empire, but this was better than she expected. If she or her daughters laid an Egg with a son inside, she could even be positioned to place her own family in power and merge the crowns if she bribed enough Senators. “Agree.”

With all that agreed, two copies were drawn up and signed before an idol of Deldort, sanctifying the act, of making Sezzah a Vassal Kingdom under Sadera and the marriage of the Queen to the Emperor and the betrothal of his sons to her daughters. Queen Medusa then let the Emperor remove her face veil by its ear hooks before kissing Emperor Molt and consummating the marriage. The handmaids made sure the Queen and Emperor were not disturbed, were screened within the tent, and the candles of incense remain lit.

………………

Newly promoted Major Lee Adama slowly opened his eyes. He was very sure he was asleep alone in his rack, but as his eyes and senses returned, he found himself looking at a head of raven hair and extra weight on him…

“Good morning Major…” Lieutenant Colonel Lukas Lewe announced and stopped as he pulled the curtain open.

“Nyah, I’m trying to seduce my future husband Colonel, go away.” Rory sleepily replied.

Lee narrowed his eyes and dumped Rory out of his rack, “XO, you wish to talk to me.”

“You didn’t have to be so mean,” Rory whined.

The XO glanced at Rory and then at Lee. “Fleet Admiral Adama states you are to attend a formal dinner with the President, Apostle Rory, the Princess Pina, Prince Andrew, the Apostle of Elange Arpeggio El Lalena, and the Lady Pelionides.”

“Chiron’s daughter has come from her lands?” Rory shot up, “That means Chiron will cross the Rapido, the last time he did so, he took little Romulus 726 years ago to foster him into the man who built the Saderan Empire. I must consult with her and the newly risen Apostle. I’ve known Arpeggio since she was a small child and refereed her fights with her younger sister, she is older than I was when I was ascended which means Elange senses danger alongside his twin sister. How soon can we leave?” Rory spoke in a serious tone for once as she grabbed her clothes.

Apollo and the XO blinked, looked at each other, then the XO replied, “A Raptor will be ready in 3 hours. Apollo, dress greys and you will be escorting Apostle Rory.”

“Aye sir,” Apollo acknowledged as he hopped out in his boxers, the dinner would be the first time actually being in the same room with his father since Zach’s funeral. Hopefully the new Apostle didn’t take a liking to him; he had enough craziness to deal with.

 

[ATP]

Interesting,But why Zorzal do not act like him? psyho would remain psycho,no matter what happen.If certain doom do not deter him in canon,why he act as normal person now?

And about legions - they must break their bad habits,and train them in new tactic.

Buing slaves would be cheaper,they at least do not have bad habits in fighting,so they would learn faster.And, colonials would care little about enslaving not-colonials by Saderans.

When they discover colonial girls enslaved,it would be,of course,another thing.

 

[Chiron]

Interesting,But why Zorzal do not act like him? psyho would remain psycho,no matter what happen.If certain doom do not deter him in canon,why he act as normal person now?

And about legions - they must break their bad habits,and train them in new tactic.

Buing slaves would be cheaper,they at least do not have bad habits in fighting,so they would learn faster.And, colonials would care little about enslaving not-colonials by Saderans.

When they discover colonial girls enslaved,it would be,of course,another thing.

Zorsal played the fool and is smarter than he acts. It took Tyuule's manipulations and the Haryo Tribe's double dealing to lead him to destruction. Also he doesn't have the disdain and revulsion towards demihumans others have.

As for the Legions, again they are being retrained and its a matter of repeated drills.

Slaves Soldiers are not something Sadera or the Colonials practice. Even so called Slave Soldiers of Muslim Armies were actually freedmen when they began their military service.

Again with enslaved Colonial Girls, its a non-issue that will be swept under the rug.

 

[ATP]

Zorsal played the fool and is smarter than he acts. It took Tyuule's manipulations and the Haryo Tribe's double dealing to lead him to destruction. Also he doesn't have the disdain and revulsion towards demihumans others have.

As for the Legions, again they are being retrained and its a matter of repeated drills.

Slaves Soldiers are not something Sadera or the Colonials practice. Even so called Slave Soldiers of Muslim Armies were actually freedmen when they began their military service.

Again with enslaved Colonial Girls, its a non-issue that will be swept under the rug.

1.then we are taking about another Zorzal then that from Gate canon.

2.Drills do not help in become modern army - in fact,it kill it,becouse you need to think on modern battlefield.See war on Ukraine - weaker defenders hold using smart tactis against juggernaut which count on drills.

3.And Colonials should do the same - buy slaves without stupid habids,train them,free and send to battlefield as colonial soldiers loyal to them.

4.You do not undarstandt greeks.They are not moscovite or soviets,who was/are happy to be Ivan the covard/Sralin/Putin slaves.
They are free people,and anybody who enslave them is enemy.
Althought modern fake russians would ceratainly not cared in that situation

 

[Agent23]

Even so called Slave Soldiers of Muslim Armies were actually freedmen when they began their military service.

Um, the Janissaries were still considered slaves to the sultan and were put through pretty rigorous religious indoctrination before that, afterwards they were forbidden from starting families for most of the time the Janissary institution existed.
IIRC they had to become Muslims to become active soliders, and only a small portion of the kids taken in via "blood tax" actually became Janissaries, the rest became "bath boys" for the Janissaries.

1.then we are taking about another Zorzal then that from Gate canon.

Chiron might be referencing the books, not the anime.

2.Drills do not help in become modern army - in fact,it kill it,becouse you need to think on modern battlefield.See war on Ukraine - weaker defenders hold using smart tactis against juggernaut which count on drills.

Janissaries were very heavily drilled and extremely disciplined, and modern warfare requires working as a team and dealing with complex tech even more than medieval/early modern war did.
The problem was that they were too fanatical towards the end and rebelled against innovations.

Tries to stop thinking of religious zealot Amazon bunny girls and a certain admiral.

3.And Colonials should do the same - buy slaves without stupid habids,train them,free and send to battlefield as colonial soldiers loyal to them.

Um, in a modern war of attrition that really won't work, since the enemy will just bombard the stupid rabble to smithereens.
IIRC the Cylons want to exterminate humanity.

4.You do not undarstandt greeks.They are not moscovite or soviets,who was/are happy to be Ivan the covard/Sralin/Putin slaves.
They are free people,and anybody who enslave them is enemy.
Althought modern fake russians would ceratainly not cared in that situation

Sparta, Athens and virtually all greek city-states pre-Christianity were slavers, the Romans were slavers, too.

 

[Chiron]

Um, the Janissaries were still considered slaves to the sultan and were put through pretty rigorous religious indoctrination before that, afterwards they were forbidden from starting families for most of the time the Janissary institution existed.
IIRC they had to become Muslims to become active soliders, and only a small portion of the kids taken in via "blood tax" actually became Janissaries, the rest became "bath boys" for the Janissaries.

They were classed as askeris, and given pensions which made them citizens. Also they were allowed to marry at age 40 which wasn't strictly enforced. Civilians even bought their way in. So much so, the entire Corps lost any semblance of its original purpose.

Chiron might be referencing the books, not the anime.

Yes.

Janissaries were very heavily drilled and extremely disciplined, and modern warfare requires working as a team and dealing with complex tech even more than medieval/early modern war did.
The problem was that they were too fanatical towards the end and rebelled against innovations.

Not born out by the actual historical record.

2.Drills do not help in become modern army - in fact,it kill it,becouse you need to think on modern battlefield.See war on Ukraine - weaker defenders hold using smart tactis against juggernaut which count on drills.

The Ukrainians are losing the war and getting their military systematically destroyed in an unsustainable attrition struggle. And throwing untrained civilians on the front just leads to their deaths.

Therefore drills are an essential part of an Army alongside discipline.

 

[Agent23]

They were classed as askeris, and given pensions which made them citizens. Also they were allowed to marry at age 40 which wasn't strictly enforced. Civilians even bought their way in. So much so, the entire Corps lost any semblance of its original purpose.

The enforcement became laxer as time passed, when janisassarydom became quasi-hereditary, then shit really hit the fan.

And yeah, there were stories of some families being eager to sell their kids into slavery, and others cripling them to keep them out of the "blood tax"
In its heyday, the Ottoman empire routinely promoted janissaries to high positions, with the Grand Vezir often coming from among their ranks.

Not born out by the actual historical record.

And there were stories of them rioting because they disliked the new, western style canons and also because the bit you used to clean then was allegedly made of pig leather.
The same problem The british had with cartridges and Sepoi troops in India.

Between you and me, I think the decline in the imperial harem/darwinian sultan selection process and the decline of the janissary corps were what dragged the Ottomans down massively.
The Ottoman empire was very heavily centralized and hierarchical, and those two institutions gave it a big competitive advantage, because they added a lot of meritocracy.

The Ukrainians are losing the war and getting their military systematically destroyed in an unsustainable attrition struggle. And throwing untrained civilians on the front just leads to their deaths.

Therefore drills are an essential part of an Army alongside discipline.

Yeah, let us keep the Ukraine discussion in the Ukraine threads.

 

[ATP]

Um, the Janissaries were still considered slaves to the sultan and were put through pretty rigorous religious indoctrination before that, afterwards they were forbidden from starting families for most of the time the Janissary institution existed.
IIRC they had to become Muslims to become active soliders, and only a small portion of the kids taken in via "blood tax" actually became Janissaries, the rest became "bath boys" for the Janissaries.


Chiron might be referencing the books, not the anime.


Janissaries were very heavily drilled and extremely disciplined, and modern warfare requires working as a team and dealing with complex tech even more than medieval/early modern war did.
The problem was that they were too fanatical towards the end and rebelled against innovations.

Tries to stop thinking of religious zealot Amazon bunny girls and a certain admiral.


Um, in a modern war of attrition that really won't work, since the enemy will just bombard the stupid rabble to smithereens.
IIRC the Cylons want to exterminate humanity.


Sparta, Athens and virtually all greek city-states pre-Christianity were slavers, the Romans were slavers, too.

1.Yes,they stop become effective force when they ceased to be slaves.

2.I read novel translation,if Zorzal have brain he would never try fight Japan after first defeat.

3.training is needed - but with technology,you win using brain.Saderans legion if they copied romans was made from dudes who trained 5 years to made turtle and other formations.All useless against Cylons.

4.Yes,Cylons want kill humans.Thus,soldiers are no needed,but if you get new,it is better have loyal to you and better trained/ex-slaves/ then loyal to Sadera and fighting with bad habits/legions/

Greek use slaves - but,with exception of Sparta,usually barbarians,not greeks if you try enslave from their polis,they would kill you.
So,if that story was real,colonials would kil all saderans who enslaved colonial children.
Becouse they could not cared about other being enslaved,but just becouse that reactet very poorly against those which they considered their people.