Gamergate 2 has now become official

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
What qualification? He said that everyone playing video games was a moron.

Walsh can die in a hole.

I'm not sure where the confusion arose since it seems pretty easy to figure out but it could be hard to explain so...

GI4LsoDW4AA9C-F


That is where the qualification came from that you ITALICIZED for emphasis.

Furthermore in the quoted portion there is no mention of Matt Walsh stating "that everyone playing video games was a moron" in that exchange. If he did say that, I'm sorry that it occurred and the harm it caused but its not what I was talking about.

In the future, I feel a better angle for expressing your opinions would be this.

GI4Kv-5WoAAHW7v


This way I don't have to acknowledge or even be aware of whatever you are posting.
 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
Not when it results from the deliberate sabotage of formerly productive companies that puts American workers and families out of work, cuts off their pensions and support networks, and leaves behind depleted ghost towns full of opioid abusers.

But in this case we're talking about Hollywood entertainment companies being ruined by Blackrock and DEI, not some generic blue collar small town being ruined by Blackrock and DEI.

Granted, most of those who work in the entertainment industry are already depleted and full of drug abuse but the talent typically has to age out to be cut off from their pensions and support networks.

And I am Eastern European.

It's not your ethnicity that prevents you from holding a normal focused adult conversation... :sneaky:
 

Abhorsen

Local Degenerate
Moderator
Staff Member
Comrade
Osaul
Naw it kills the incitive to keep something alive and healthy. I don't agree with the empire builders on a lot of things but one of the few things I do agree on is I want my culture to last longer than 5-10 years. If anything I'd love for my great-great-great grandkids (If I ever have kids.) to live as I did.
If you are talking about western hollywood culture, it needs to die as it is actively harmful.
I'd rather have good western media corporations creating interesting stuff and culture like they used to (to whatever amount each person thinks they did) instead of them all getting infected, consumed, and worn like skinsuits by radical activists mandated by Blackrock and others.
See, there's a lot of issues here. First is the idea that this was caused by blackrock. No, it was caused by two things: the infection of media by new woke college grads, and major media corporations losing their profit share as they run into competition with easier to set up independents.

Second, the idea that the good media companies won't survive. They usually will, because they are good. Generally, it's mostly the bad ones that die. Just like wolves usually kill the sick and injured deer, not the healthy ones.

For example, Disney is starting to suffer because of this, though it probably won't die. Rooster Teeth died because of this, as they weren't producing a good enough show, etc. Meanwhile, the Daily Wire and most alt media are doing fine, as people watch them.

Not when it results from the deliberate sabotage of formerly productive companies that puts American workers and families out of work, cuts off their pensions and support networks, and leaves behind depleted ghost towns full of opioid abusers.
Vulture capitalism isn't the thing that kills the company though. Vulture capitalism happens after a company is dead. Quite simply, it isn't profitable to buy a healthy company, destroy it, then loot its remains.

The destruction of companies isn't being done because of profit seeking.

In fact, the current destruction isn't even blackrock related, or at least not directly. Please know why enemies are actually enemies. The issue with Blackrock is that they vote shares they don't really own. Everything bad flows out of this fundamental disconnect between the principal (person with money in a an investment/retirement account in an index fund), and the agent (Blackrock) who is violating their fiduciary duty by using that money to pursue wokeness. The solution is that index funds can't vote on stock, and 90% of blackrock's power is gone.



Separately, there's an issue with companies starting to go bankrupt. This is a GOOD THING, and basically unrelated to Blackrock. Let me explain. First, companies mostly happening because interest rates are rising. What this means is that Fed Bills, which are incredibly reliable, suddenly become much more profitable, and thus businesses switch from investing into the stock market, to investing into safer things, as there's less opportunity cost now, so the added risk isn't worth it.

Now since about the great recession, we've had really, really low interest rates. This has meant that there's a glut of money in the stock market as opposed to the bonds market. This is why so many tech companies weren't concerned about turning a profit and instead expansion focused, because there'd always be new investors, so you could handle short term losses for long term market share. This is a normal part of the business cycle, and a fine thing in moderation. The issue is that the 'short term' went on for about a decade, and so companies began thinking this was permanent.

For example, woke media companies. Woke companies didn't care about losses nor a franchise not getting bought because they could always get more investors.

Now? Now comes the other side of the business cycle: a crunch. Without easy investment dollars, suddenly all the bad companies (and some good ones) are dying. This too is a good thing. Because if those companies didn't die, they'd still get investment and money and waste it all. They'd also waste the product of their employees' labor. Now all that money can be better spent. Vulture capitalism is simply the grabbing of the parts of those companies that were fine, and saving those, instead of letting it all die. This preserves work that was done.

You need both.
 

Vyor

My influence grows!
I'm not sure where the confusion arose since it seems pretty easy to figure out but it could be hard to explain so...

GI4LsoDW4AA9C-F


That is where the qualification came from that you ITALICIZED for emphasis.

Furthermore in the quoted portion there is no mention of Matt Walsh stating "that everyone playing video games was a moron" in that exchange. If he did say that, I'm sorry that it occurred and the harm it caused but its not what I was talking about.

In the future, I feel a better angle for expressing your opinions would be this.

GI4Kv-5WoAAHW7v


This way I don't have to acknowledge or even be aware of whatever you are posting.

"perhaps" isn't a qualifier, it's a weasel word idiots use as a shield.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
If you are talking about western hollywood culture, it needs to die as it is actively harmful.

See, there's a lot of issues here. First is the idea that this was caused by blackrock. No, it was caused by two things: the infection of media by new woke college grads, and major media corporations losing their profit share as they run into competition with easier to set up independents.
Partially true.

Blackrock's CEO is actually all in on wokeness and he is a well known political hack that has been fundraising for the Clintons, for his aid the swamp has used blackrock on several occasions.

Furthermore, there is lots of governmental and NGO pressure supporting this shit because it is clientelist pandering.

However, Blackrock is far from the only active pusher of ESG crap.
Second, the idea that the good media companies won't survive. They usually will, because they are good. Generally, it's mostly the bad ones that die. Just like wolves usually kill the sick and injured deer, not the healthy ones.
Yeah, lovely theory, but we have all seen all the Gamers Are Dead crap that mostly every single outlet was spewing because the leftoid journos are a clique that engages in huge amounts of mutual favoritism and butt sniffing.
For example, Disney is starting to suffer because of this, though it probably won't die. Rooster Teeth died because of this, as they weren't producing a good enough show, etc. Meanwhile, the Daily Wire and most alt media are doing fine, as people watch them.
Yeah, people are building their own, and while I doubt small indies will have the same resources as Hollywood studios, but frankly, live action shit is overrated and anime and video games and independently punished books are the way to go.

However, we have lots of stupid consumers that will eat up mostly any piece of crap of it has Nebula or Hugo or an Oscar connected to it.
Vulture capitalism isn't the thing that kills the company though. Vulture capitalism happens after a company is dead. Quite simply, it isn't profitable to buy a healthy company, destroy it, then loot its remains.
we should start with the definition here, shouldn't we.
Now, it really depends how the "Vulture" in question operates.

I agree that many vulture capitalists have a bad rep, but they often provide a necessary service in dismantling shitty companies.

However, there are situations where they just cut costs all the way to the bone to boost the stock price, sell off useful assets and get the company into debt to boost the stock price, basically a pump and dump.

The problem is that capitalism and it's feedback systems lag, like everything else.

The destruction of companies isn't being done because of profit seeking.
From Morningstar, According to Morgan Stanley, "50% of investors and nearly 75% of millennial investors made investment changes—or plan to—in response to social justice movements."
Is There a Problem With ‘Woke’ Investing?
In fact, the current destruction isn't even blackrock related, or at least not directly. Please know why enemies are actually enemies.
It certainly is Larry Fink and his Democratic party buddies are related.
The issue with Blackrock is that they vote shares they don't really own.
Yes, we need passive investing to actually be passive.

These shits are the "I am helping" kid from the Simpsons.

Everything bad flows out of this fundamental disconnect between the principal (person with money in a an investment/retirement account in an index fund), and the agent (Blackrock) who is violating their fiduciary duty by using that money to pursue wokeness. The solution is that index funds can't vote on stock, and 90% of blackrock's power is gone.
Note the link above, certainly there are lots of investors willing to pay extra for ESG and woke shit.
And in order to qualify for some tax cuts companies have to pander and fill diversity quotas.
Furthermore, the low interest rates of the past few decades and the general sluggishness of lazy consumers have dragged things out.
The consumers are also conformist and a lot of them can be guit tripped into watching shit because otherwise they are "bad people".
Gaslighting and media and social pressure does go so far though.

It is time to pay the piper.
Separately, there's an issue with companies starting to go bankrupt. This is a GOOD THING, and basically unrelated to Blackrock. Let me explain. First, companies mostly happening because interest rates are rising. What this means is that Fed Bills, which are incredibly reliable, suddenly become much more profitable, and thus businesses switch from investing into the stock market, to investing into safer things, as there's less opportunity cost now, so the added risk isn't worth it.
They all need to go bankrupt.

Disney, Sweet Baby's clients, WB, Paramount.

They will not be missed.

Now? Now comes the other side of the business cycle: a crunch. Without easy investment dollars, suddenly all the bad companies (and some good ones) are dying. This too is a good thing. Because if those companies didn't die, they'd still get investment and money and waste it all. They'd also waste the product of their employees' labor. Now all that money can be better spent. Vulture capitalism is simply the grabbing of the parts of those companies that were fine, and saving those, instead of letting it all die. This preserves work that was done.

You need both.
There is only one problem with them going broke, though.

While the consumer might be getting sick of the SJW shit finally, and investors will start shunning ESG and the higher interest rates will make it harder for the woke companies to continue doing crap we will definitely see the cry of too big to fail and muh important institutions, and "think of all the people who will become unemployed."

IMHO government and some of its adjacent woke orgs will demand for bailouts and more tax breaks for woke shit.
 

Abhorsen

Local Degenerate
Moderator
Staff Member
Comrade
Osaul
Yeah, lovely theory, but we have all seen all the Gamers Are Dead crap that mostly every single outlet was spewing because the leftoid journos are a clique that engages in huge amounts of mutual favoritism and butt sniffing.
Um, that in no way refutes what I said. In fact, that's not even related to what I claimed. I don't care what the journos say. The companies die anyway because no one buys their game/watches their show.

Yeah, people are building their own, and while I doubt small indies will have the same resources as Hollywood studios, but frankly, live action shit is overrated and anime and video games and independently punished books are the way to go.

However, we have lots of stupid consumers that will eat up mostly any piece of crap of it has Nebula or Hugo or an Oscar connected to it.
No, I mean just random content creators on youtube. I'm not talking Rippaverse levels here, but literally a lone creator making a video essay, a guy making a Vic 2 multiplayer campaign story, etc.

Note the link above, certainly there are lots of investors willing to pay extra for ESG and woke shit.
If the individual investor actually choses to do this, that's no problem. The main issue with your poll is that the people who say yes to this aren't the ones with the money (it's targeted at millenials). Also, the timing of the poll: right during the George Floyd period, when most people didn't know about the harm of ESG. Finally, the bias in the source of the study: it's a stat from an advertisement for ESG, more than an actual study, IMO.

The main issue with Blackrock is that it grabbed a whole lot of people's money who didn't want to endorse woke stuff. If Blackrock wasn't able to use that power, this never would have happened.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
Um, that in no way refutes what I said. In fact, that's not even related to what I claimed. I don't care what the journos say. The companies die anyway because no one buys their game/watches their show.
Yes, the problem is that it is taking over a decade and that huge amounts of damage have been done.
And gaming and entertainment are just the rip of a huge, ugly iceberg called ESG.
No, I mean just random content creators on youtube. I'm not talking Rippaverse levels here, but literally a lone creator making a video essay, a guy making a Vic 2 multiplayer campaign story, etc.
Yeah, and I consume and occasionally support a large amount of those.
If the individual investor actually choses to do this, that's no problem. The main issue with your poll is that the people who say yes to this aren't the ones with the money (it's targeted at millenials). Also, the timing of the poll: right during the George Floyd period, when most people didn't know about the harm of ESG. Finally, the bias in the source of the study: it's a stat from an advertisement for ESG, more than an actual study, IMO.
https://www.reuters.com/business/su...tflows-decade-after-bruising-year-2022-12-19/

https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/sustainable-funds-performance-2023

In the first half of 2023, sustainable funds saw a median return of 6.9%, beating traditional funds' 3.8% and reversing their underperformance in 2022, according to a new "Sustainable Reality" report from the Morgan Stanley Institute for Sustainable Investing. Investor demand also remained strong as sustainable funds' assets under management (AUM) reached record levels.

The main issue with Blackrock is that it grabbed a whole lot of people's money who didn't want to endorse woke stuff. If Blackrock wasn't able to use that power, this never would have happened.
 

Pocky Balboa

Well-known member
Like, if we never knew anything about Matt Walsh before now beyond... being a "popular right wing commentator whose never commented on video games period before" would we even get this sort of reaction from RW gaming commentators if the same video was released? If we did... then I think significant swathes of right wing commentators do have a sensitivity problem.

Hard disagree. Like I said, between those past articles and comments from six years ago, then his comments like "Not a single person is claiming that video games "cause" mass shootings or are the only factor or are even the main factor." around three years ago, then his video shitting on adults who play video games about 10 months ago, and then this current video where he flat out states that "only in the games industry, where everyone is dumber than they are in every other industry", despite the fact that again we had more creators pushing back against woke shit than Pedowood or the book industry, doesn't show a use of overexaggeration to make a point, especially when I compare it to his overexaggerated comments on anime; it shows a man who still has a hateboner for video games and its hobbyists, with the same opinions years ago. It also reminds me of the behavior and opinions of conservatives who were all too willing to follow the campaigns of Joe Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, and Tipper Gore in the 90s and Jack Thompson in the 00s to fuck over video games and gamers.

Speaking of, it's not sensitivity, those right wing commentators are just recognizing the pattern of behavior shown by past anti-video game conservatives who were happy to join hands with leftoids like Hillary Clinton in their anti-video game crusades. It's not any more different than recognizing the behavioral patterns of anti-2nd ammendment fuckers or woketards. Like, even back then I could easily see the difference between a conservative who was at worst neutral to video games and those conservatives who had no problem joining their voices with Tipper, Lieberman and Killary.
 
Last edited:

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
Hard disagree. Like I said, between those past articles and comments from six years ago, then his comments like "Not a single person is claiming that video games "cause" mass shootings or are the only factor or are even the main factor." around three years ago, then his video shitting on adults who play video games about 10 months ago, and then this current video where he flat out states that "only in the games industry, where everyone is dumber than they are in every other industry", despite the fact that again we had more creators pushing back against woke shit than Pedowood or the book industry, doesn't show a use of overexaggeration to make a point, especially when I compare it to his overexaggerated comments on anime; it shows a man who still has a hateboner for video games and its hobbyists, with the same opinions years ago. It also reminds me of the behavior and opinions of conservatives who were all too willing to follow the campaigns of Joe Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, and Tipper Gore in the 90s and Jack Thompson in the 00s to fuck over video games and gamers.

Speaking of, it's not sensitivity, those right wing commentators are just recognizing the pattern of behavior shown by past anti-video game conservatives who were happy to join hands with leftoids like Hillary Clinton in their anti-video game crusades. It's not any more different than recognizing the behavioral patterns of anti-2nd ammendment fuckers or woketards. Like, even back then I could easily see the difference between a conservative who was at worst neutral to video games and those conservatives who had no problem joining their voices with Tipper, Lieberman and Killary.
A lot of these weasels, on both sides of the left vs. right divide, are just looking for soft targets fo bully and easy scalps to claim for the latest stupid crusade they have started in order to make the dumber mouth breathing voters think they are doing something useful.

The reason why we don't have a new Thompson and why Lyin Ted Cruz went from videogames cause shootings to "I am a gamer and gladly buy loot boxes" is twofold.

First's they saw the massive, angry autism thet was unleashed towards anti-gaming predecessors.

Two, gaming is a big business now.
 
Last edited:

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
A lot of these weasels, on both sides of the left vs. right divide, are just looking for soft targets fo bully and easy scalps to claim for the latest stupid crusade they have started in order to make the dumber mouth breathing voters think they are doing something useful.

The reason why we don't have a new Thompson and why Lyin Ted Cruz went from videogames cause shootings to "I am a gamer and gladly buy loot boxes" is twofold.

First's they saw the massive, angry autism thet was unleashed towards anti-gaming predecessors.

Two, gaming is a big business now.

Wow... less than an hour after I responded to your Cruz comment in the other thread, you bring it up again. :sneaky:

I'll just repost here then.


Quote from the GameRant article.

"Tragedies like the events of this week are a mirror forcing us to ask hard questions, demanding that we see where our culture is failing. Looking at broken families, absent fathers, declining church attendance, social media bullying, violent online content, desensitizing the act of murder in video games, chronic isolation, prescription drug and opioid abuse, and their collective effects on the psyche of young Americans."

I think games journalism is trash but I also unironically quote game journalists and take what they say about the Right at face value.

So... let's break this down... Cruz in this quote states that we are forced to ask hard questions, demanding that we see where our culture is failing. He then cites...

Broken Families.
Absent Fathers.
Declining Church Attendance.
Social Media Bullying.
Violent Online Content.
Desensitizing the Act of Murder in Video Games.
Chronic Isolation.
Prescription Drug and Opioid Use.

If we assume... all eight of these things are of equal value... then he's assuming that 12.5% of the responsibility for the "failing of culture" should be asked of "Desensitizing the Act of Murder in Video Games." He didn't say violent video games. He said the act of murder in video games. Murder as in being... the intentional killing or homicide of innocent people I'm assuming.

So your statement is that Cruz said "School Shootings Happen Because of Violent Video Games"

A more accurate statement would be Cruz said:

"Desensitizing the Act of Murder in Video Games is a 12% contributor to the failing of culture which is having a deleterious effect on the psyche of Young Americans which means we should ask hard questions looking at the mirror (ie we all take part in this cultural behavior) about what led to this school shooting."

12% now might be a high number and is IMHO (but its also completely arbitrary as he listed a lot of factors), but it's far removed from the 100% you implied... and requires at least two or three more assumptions that Cruz offered which you ignored. I think its plausible that playing video games could be a contributing factor to having a negative effect on a young psyche... and thus could have a deleterious effect on the culture.

I think it's fair to ask whether violent video games are particularly responsible or just video games in general could be that contributing factor. I tend to think that a lot of people, kids and adults, spend too much time playing video games and consuming social media and that in general it has a deleterious effect on people. But Cruz didn't say "Violent Video Games Causes School Shootings" anymore then he said Declining Church Attendance or Bullying or Chronic Isolation did.

TLDR... Agent23: "Cruz is blaming fentanyl for school shootings lol. I love fentanyl! Weeeeeeee...!"
 
Last edited:
If you are talking about western hollywood culture, it needs to die as it is actively harmful

I'm not talking about Hollywood I'm talking about The IPs that are essentially being held hostage by Hollywood. Those are OUR (The US) stories OUR myths OUR culture without that The US and the West does not have anything. It's just a landmass with people on it (which is sadly an accurate assessment of the US right ny). Those IPs are what I'm concerned about keeping alive, it's why I'm such an advocate of fanfiction and why I'm so leary of Copyright law especially current copyright law.

We can't continue to trust other countries like Japan to keep our legacy alive. How long before THEY go woke?
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
It's all a grift. It's just a way to extort money out of companies.
And push a political agenda!

This is why companies like Sweet Baby get all pissed off when people draw attention to their existence. They'd much rather maintain that job security. They'd prefer it if people didn't even realize they existed.

And their disgusting activism is done better in the shadows, when they can make people think that the push for this woke bullshit comes from the companies and developers, themselves.

And that this is more decentralized and grassroots than it is.
 

Bigking321

Well-known member
And their disgusting activism is done better in the shadows, when they can make people think that the push for this woke bullshit comes from the companies and developers, themselves.
To be fair a lot of woke crap DOES come from the companies and developers.

It's not a 100% thing either way. Both are at fault. Sweet Baby and the companies that let them consult. Get mad at both of them.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
To be fair a lot of woke crap DOES come from the companies and developers.

It's not a 100% thing either way. Both are at fault. Sweet Baby and the companies that let them consult. Get mad at both of them.
The types of idiot activists that created these consultancies are the ones that pushed woke ro begin with.

Hate should go 30% to them, then 50% to the government and media that push this shit and finally 20% to the boomer corpos.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top