Gab Shows its True Color

[Certified_Heterosexual]

...I'm still yet to see any distinguishing between porn and fantasizing...

In fantasizing, you're the one in control of your mind and sexuality. In porn, someone else is telling you what to want. Your sex drive is being re-trained to become habituated to whatever porn companies think will sell. Do you really think they have your best interests at heart?

From a Christian perspective both are sin, of course, but at least jerking it to a sexual fantasy you've made up yourself is a little less degrading. Channel those frustrated urges into art or career or relationships or whatever you feel called to do in life, king. It's healthier for yourself and the world in the long run.

 

[Terthna]

I think this thread is laboring under a misconception of what a societal "ban" on porn would entail. It's impossible to completely eradicate pornography, but officially "banning" it would still be useful in creating a stigma against it and suppressing it to some extent. It raises the cost to peel off marginal consumers. This is, when you think about it, the way we treat other crimes. We have set the cost of murder as high as we can, but some people still “consume” that solution to their problems.

Depends on who you're asking; Gab seems to actually want to eradicate pornography entirely, as impossible as such an endeavor would be. There are those on this forum, however, who have argued in favor of creating a "stigma" against it, and the difference in my mind is mostly irrelevant; I am vehemently against both positions regardless.

...I'm still yet to see any distinguishing between porn and fantasizing...

And, to be totally honest, I had weirder fantasies before I found porn than after. After it tended to involve actual sex, before... well... Hall of Stasis was a thing I'd come up with before I really had a clear idea what naked bodies looked like.

The only distinction seems to be in regards to live-action porn; where it show actual people actually having sex. Then again, some people just don't want you to fantasize about the "wrong" things anyways; they'd rather do everything in their power to control what you think.

 

[Terthna]

In fantasizing, you're the one in control of your mind and sexuality. In porn, someone else is telling you what to want. Your sex drive is being re-trained to become habituated to whatever porn companies think will sell. Do you really think they have your best interests at heart?

From a Christian perspective both are sin, of course, but at least jerking it to a sexual fantasy you've made up yourself is a little less degrading. Channel those frustrated urges into art or career or relationships or whatever you feel called to do in life, king. It's healthier for yourself and the world in the long run.

From an agnostic theist perspective, and that of a porn connoisseur such as myself (mostly of drawings, literature, and video games though, as I've rarely considered myself a fan of live-action porn; just found it to be too boring and a bit disgusting most of the time); the Christian perspective can suck it.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

just found it to be too boring

it's super boring. I had more interesting scenarios before I was 13.

 

[Terthna]

it's super boring. I had more interesting scenarios before I was 13.

There's only so many renditions of "pizza delivery guy/pool boy meets bored housewife" I can stand before it just does not elicit a reaction from me anymore. Japanese hentai is just so much more creative and diverse.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

There's only so many renditions of "pizza delivery guy/pool boy meets bored housewife" I can stand before it just does not elicit a reaction from me anymore. Japanese hentai is just so much more creative and diverse.

Yeah, taking your standard example, we get "pizza delivery girl meets bored husband", "Pizza delivery trap/tomboy meets bored couple", "Pizza delivery boy gets ISEKAI'ed and hooks up with princess/dragon/loli/whatever", "Pizza delivery boy gets fired and replaced with pizza delivery bot that looks like a gorgeus woman with metal bits tacked on, rapes her in revenge", "Pizza delivery boy delivers pizza and leaves, pizza somehow turned into girl, recipient fucks pizza-girl", and more in hentai.

 

[Captain X]

Personally I'm a fan of both live action and animated.

 

[Deleted member]

@YeahOkayCool there is also a long-established human tradition of prostitution being sacral. Ipso facto it can be integrated into a traditionalist and conservative society, whereas pornographic material is inherently demoralising and serves to deracinate consumers thereof from their involvement in society and human affair and relations. You are absolutely right, legal prostitution is much better for society than legal pornography.

 

[Strigan44]

Sort of a guess, it looks to me that whatever Feminists that Japan has don’t have huge control over what’s being produced by the entertainment industry

How much have you actually looked into Japan? Because you've posted about Japanese culture and politics more than a few times before:

I may not be from the West, but lots of things I enjoy are from it and Japan and one thing I notice looks to be that the West in particular is trying to change or reject beauty standards

Japan on the other hand is much more unashamedly in love with fanservice

Speaking of Sharingan, Masashi Kishimoto’s new work, “Samurai 8” has a “nonbinary” character

Anybody think that to a degree, SJWism is in Japan?

Though honestly the Japanese handle their LGBT characters with much more taste

Japan is much more honest in comparison about how they want to sell a product and get lots of money for it, not just planning on being social revolutionaries or something

 

[CarlManvers2019]

How much have you actually looked into Japan? Because you've posted about Japanese culture and politics more than a few times before:

Admittedly not much, I just mainly know that it serves it’s customer no matter how embarassing the product can be said to be

Though yeah, that last image makes me think there are people real pissed and could accidentally end up going with Western SJWs to attempt to enforce change

 

[Scottty]

From an agnostic theist perspective, and that of a porn connoisseur such as myself (mostly of drawings, literature, and video games though, as I've rarely considered myself a fan of live-action porn; just found it to be too boring and a bit disgusting most of the time); the Christian perspective can suck it.

And then people like you get upset when Christians don't want people like you in public office.

 

[Terthna]

And then people like you get upset when Christians don't want people like you in public office.

Who do you think "people like me" are exactly? Because if you're talking about non-believers in general; that's pretty much a given regardless of what you happen to believe. Nobody wants someone who doesn't share their beliefs in office. Thankfully, we live in a democratic republic, where you can vote for whoever you want to represent your interests; and personally, I'm probably never going to vote for the religious right, because in my mind they're no different than the regressive left.

 

[Scottty]

Who do you think "people like me" are exactly?

People who post things like:

From an agnostic theist perspective, and that of a porn connoisseur such as myself (mostly of drawings, literature, and video games though, as I've rarely considered myself a fan of live-action porn; just found it to be too boring and a bit disgusting most of the time); the Christian perspective can suck it.

Nobody wants someone who doesn't share their beliefs in office.

Exactly.
But there is a difference between simply "not sharing their beliefs" and being openly contemptuous and hostile towards those beliefs.

 

[Terthna]

People who post things like:

Fair enough.

Exactly.

Well, I'm glad we've come to an understanding then.

Edit:

But there is a difference between simply "not sharing their beliefs" and being openly contemptuous and hostile towards those beliefs.

I'll give you that; but the fact of the matter is I do find certain Christian beliefs worthy of contempt.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I'll give you that; but the fact of the matter is I do find certain Christian beliefs worthy of contempt.

That we can agree, I DO believe that divorces should be allowed instead of trying to force a broken relationship too much

Instead of just being on that slippery slope of how sexualisation of women resulted in Carl Manvers looks and wahmen wanting Hijabs

May as well actually see what’s wrong with said relationships or the actual causes behind the problems

That said I still maintain that having extreme pride and “righteousness” issues over stuff they know they are wrong about deep down alongside inadequacy in looks and abilities resulted in very negative behaviors en masse

 

[Fleiur]

That we can agree, I DO believe that divorces should be allowed instead of trying to force a broken relationship too much

How about the sanctity of marriage?

 

[Terthna]

How about the sanctity of marriage?

Depends on what you think it entails; I'd argue forcing people who no longer care for each other to stay together, instead of allowing them to part amicably, is a violation of it.

 

[Scottty]

Biblical teaching on the subject of marriage, divorce and remarriage is a complex topic for it's own thread. Suffice to say here that the "no divorce, ever" stance of (for example) the Roman Catholics, seems to me to be based on a selective reading of Scripture, and a whole lot of holiness spiral virtue-signalling.
They take a few Bible verses out of context and quote them as if that was all there was to be said, generally ignoring the context, and everything else the Bible says on the topic.

This is a fallen world, and so things don't always work the way they are supposed to. Which is why the Bible does actually allow for divorce.
"Oh, but Jesus said-" - yes, go and read that in context for once! And stop interpreting it in a way that flatly contradicts what He said elsewhere!

 

[Fleiur]

Depends on what you think it entails; I'd argue forcing people who no longer care for each other to stay together, instead of allowing them to part amicably, is a violation of it.

It's a divine institution. An established institution. What I think it entails doesn't matter. It will not adjust to me if I entered into it and turns out I can't do it.
The sacrament of marriage should not adjust to people if they can’t do it anymore.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

whereas pornographic material is inherently demoralising and serves to deracinate consumers thereof from their involvement in society and human affair and relations

and again, what's the distinction between pornographic material and fantasy?