Four panels and a reaction.

[Abhorsen]

A bit of a slippery slope, but might having kids being really easy, make it so that parents desire or care for them less

The real difficult part would be caring for them. So lowering the bar to entry might not be a good idea, but it is something that will happen. Again, what I'm really excited about here is that it will be a dagger to the abortion movement. Women will get the right to choose to either carry the baby to term, or put the baby in an artificial womb, but the baby won't die.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The real difficult part would be caring for them. So lowering the bar to entry might not be a good idea, but it is something that will happen. Again, what I'm really excited about here is that it will be a dagger to the abortion movement. Women will get the right to choose to either carry the baby to term, or put the baby in an artificial womb, but the baby won't die.

I'm pretty sure there maybe calls to ban it, I mean they want to ban sexbots if they actually work, pleasure is a luxury, children are a sort of necessity

If they can feel threatened by inanimate objects or even 2D pictures, they can feel even more threatened by other women and if not other women, than these machines that pop up babies

Also, gonna be a bit of a more ethical problem if they try aborting the baby in the artificial womb

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I'm pretty sure there maybe calls to ban it, I mean they want to ban sexbots if they actually work, pleasure is a luxury, children are a sort of necessity

lol what?

leftists hate children. This is borne out by how they want kids to destroy themselves via all the trans and queer bullshit and how to love abortions and seek to lower the limits on it and how you have those who cry for human extinction.

Also, gonna be a bit of a more ethical problem if they try aborting the baby in the artificial womb

Lol what? How is it more ethical?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

lol what?

leftists hate children. This is borne out by how they want kids to destroy themselves via all the trans and queer bullshit and how to love abortions and seek to lower the limits on it and how you have those who cry for human extinction.

And yet they cry for mass immigration and even say the West isn't making many babies, even while going on about overpopulation and the environment

Thing is, their behavior is inherently insane and self-contradictory

But there is some sense in them and that sense makes them feel scared of being replaced or found to be unnecessary or actively detrimental

 

[Fleiur]

Well, not really. Artificial wombs would drastically lower the cost of pregnancy to wealthy people who can afford it. For example, Kim Kardashian has had multiple kids through surrogacy, but if surrogacy was banned, I doubt she would have any. Artificial wombs would make this much more viable less well off couples.

Well, she gave birth to her first kid. And wants more kids but her life is at risk so that is why she sorted to that option.
Like I said, it's an option. Not really the solution.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

And yet they cry for mass immigration and even say the West isn't making many babies, even while going on about overpopulation and the environment

Thing is, their behavior is inherently insane and self-contradictory

But there is some sense in them and that sense makes them feel scared of being replaced or found to be unnecessary or actively detrimental

Their behavior is indeed insane but you mistake them being entirely contradictory.

They don't want white people having kids hence the calls not having kids with all the articles about how cool it is to be a wine aunt. Then they use the fact that there is no young people to pay for welfare to bring in the immigrants aka the brown people aka toy pawns and slaves to work for them that they love so much to replace the hated white people.

The only real contradiction is the human extinction plan. But that can be said to be something some leftists want or something leftists want to happen in the future when they personally are no longer around.

Well, she gave birth to her first kid. And wants more kids but her life is at risk so that is why she sorted to that option.
Like I said, it's an option. Not really the solution.

Again, what is your suggestion? Cause if the problem is women not wanting kids. Well, I already told you what the issue is.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Say, again with a slippery slope, but anybody think a real-life imitation of Gundam SEED or Gattaca may occur?

Seriously, before or after this tech is developed, genetic engineering may make it so that lots of kids have genes that make it so that they're more healthy than average and more likely to be free of all sorts of maladies and what's actually scary.....they maybe more talented and physically better than kids born outside of the machines

Things won't be so fair if the upper class REALLY DOES have the abilities and skills and intelligence to remain so

 

[Deleted member]

Or, you know, it's a physiological or psychosocial response to overcrowding and urban population growth. Since we have actual evidence for that in the infamous mice experiments by Calhoun.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Or, you know, it's a physiological or psychosocial response to overcrowding and urban population growth. Since we have actual evidence for that in the infamous mice experiments by Calhoun.

Tell that to Africa who's population is rising last I checked.

People use that experiment on youtube more to support their point about how modern society is fucked cause of decadence and degeneracy.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Or, you know, it's a physiological or psychosocial response to overcrowding and urban population growth. Since we have actual evidence for that in the infamous mice experiments by Calhoun.

I agree that it could be that very thing. My mind tends to drift towards that...THE RATOPIA COMETH!

And once I put the glasses on, I can see the beautiful ones all around us...

 

[Deleted member]

Tell that to Africa who's population is rising last I checked.

People use that experiment on youtube more to support their point about how modern society is fucked cause of decadence and degeneracy.

Africa has a much lower rate of urbanization than the rest of the world... Total population doesn't matter, urban population does. Indeed, we could even explain why the US birth rate stayed high for longer using Calhoun's work: Suburbs. Europe, despite being similar in all other ways, has denser cities.

 

[Battlegrinder]

So I found this while going through Twitter and it got me thinking, while I myself don't really have the capacity to articulate a conversation starter, I thought it would still be interesting to talk about.

So, when you look at these four panels, what is your first reaction when you reach the end?

I recall there was an article in the federalist a couple weeks back, discussing this same general topic. Though the had some data that was more in the direction of this being a generational issues and not a gender one, appearently lots of mellienials are adopting pets in place of building families. It certianly sounds plausible, matches a lot of other articles about marriage rates falling and people taking longer and longer to get married.

 

[LordsFire]

The root of the problem is pretty simple. Our culture from the 60's onward has by and large embraced selfishness as a virtue, rather than a sin.

It is absolutely not the only factor playing in; different economic pressures, easy birth control, abortion, etc, etc, but the largest single factor is a focus more on me-centric attitudes.

As others have noted, children are time-consuming, difficult, and abrasive. That doesn't change the fact that they have absolutely incredible value. It's just a value that requires you look past your own selfish interests to see.

 

[Cherico]

Well, not really. Artificial wombs would drastically lower the cost of pregnancy to wealthy people who can afford it. For example, Kim Kardashian has had multiple kids through surrogacy, but if surrogacy was banned, I doubt she would have any. Artificial wombs would make this much more viable less well off couples.

Technology starts out expensive and then gradually lowers in price.

Cell phones used to be expensive toys for the rich now people in inner cities have them and their much better then what was available during the 80s.

 

[Fleiur]

Then do you have a suggestion? The problem is of course women. Society is gynocentric. Women simply either don't want to have kids or have few kids. Its all their decision.

I suggest not blaming and/or generalizing. Men and women are different. There are things to be blamed to both men and women. However, it's not really good to hold on to bitterness and resentment.
Yeah but not all. Women can be persuaded.
I can be persuaded to have more than 2 kids.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Africa has a much lower rate of urbanization than the rest of the world... Total population doesn't matter, urban population does. Indeed, we could even explain why the US birth rate stayed high for longer using Calhoun's work: Suburbs. Europe, despite being similar in all other ways, has denser cities.

Fair enough.

I suggest not blaming and/or generalizing. Men and women are different. There are things to be blamed to both men and women. However, it's not really good to hold on to bitterness and resentment.
Yeah but not all. Women can be persuaded.
I can be persuaded to have more than 2 kids.

Sure. But I meant my post more as how I see things then as a jab towards women. Cause fundamentally, I see society as gynocentric and its women who control when and if they get pregnant. So if no kids are being born, its cause women don't want to have kids or want few kids. Simple.