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[bintananth]

INFO about Gastonia :

Gastonia: "Go be poor somewhere else."

 

[DarthOne]

... That's a supply attack you are alluding to. The problem with demand is entirely homegrown. Stopping the production/destroying cocaine are supply attacks, not demand attacks.

A demand attack on cocaine would be the mass arrest of all cocaine users, for example. Or a nationwide rehabilitation program. Note that neither of these are implicated by where the drug is created, and works just as well for meth, which is also homegrown.


That you think massive societal level change is easy is your first problem. Your second, bigger problem is that you think that societal level change would impact prostitution to reduce singleness. Please, first give me evidence about how many woman are prostitutes as a percentage of population over a few decades of time, so we can see what direction we are headed in.

The thing that gives me pause is that it is easier than ever for people to have no strings attached sex without prostitution. I'm not sure that the issue is actually access to sex, but instead something else. I mean, Robert Kraft payed for a rub and tug after the Super Bowl. Porn likely also lessens the demand for prostitution as well. I don't rightly know what causes people to use it, but I'd say inability to sex otherwise isn't the main contributor.


I don't get this doomerism. People are already getting up off their ass and winning. Just looking at the last week in court cases, we got rid of affirmative action, reaffirmed free speech and that one can't compel it, stopped the censorship industrial complex, stopped a huge handout from the poor to the rich, etc.

Then there's the Bud Light stuff still happening, and I could continue. I see so many white pills right now it's crazy.

Ink on a page. And we’ve all seen just how much that is worth. Not just in the last few years, but in the last few decades.

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 2) – Metallicman

metallicman.com

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[Abhorsen]

Ink on a page. And we’ve all seen just how much that is worth. Not just in the last few years, but in the last few decades.

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 2) – Metallicman

metallicman.com

So is every law? Literally the supreme court is Trumps biggest legacy, it brought the end of Roe, Affirmative Action, speech coercion, and I could go on, and you insist on doomering. Look, take the white pill.

 

[mrttao]

It doesn't just come from bad laws though.

Sure, fine, it is a combination of both bad laws and some changes.
Abolishing the bad laws will not fix 100% of everything then, but it will still be a huge step in the right direction and will massively reduce the frankly ridiculous rate of single people.

 

[Abhorsen]

Sure, fine, it is a combination of both bad laws and some changes.
Abolishing the bad laws will not fix 100% of everything then, but it will still be a huge step in the right direction and will massively reduce the frankly ridiculous rate of single people.

Sure, I'm not saying it wouldn't be part of the solution. I'm saying even with that, you would still have a problem. And so another part of the solution is to legalize prostitution, for the reasons I stated before.

 

[Cherico]

Sure, fine, it is a combination of both bad laws and some changes.
Abolishing the bad laws will not fix 100% of everything then, but it will still be a huge step in the right direction and will massively reduce the frankly ridiculous rate of single people.

One shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good

 

[DarthOne]

So is every law? Literally the supreme court is Trumps biggest legacy, it brought the end of Roe, Affirmative Action, speech coercion, and I could go on, and you insist on doomering. Look, take the white pill.

Yeah, and what happens when the Deep State or Far left decide that those laws mean nothing? As I said, ink on a page.

In twenty-five years, we went from arguing that it must be legal to burn the American flag to punishing someone who burns an LGBTP flag with fifteen years in prison.

- Brett Stevens at Periscope

But with all this realignment, comes the resistance to it. It happens every time, and it is predictable in so far as it exists. So, one of the first things that the progressive socialists do is identify who their enemies are.

They identify who their enemies are, and they put their names on a list.

These are the people who will oppose their efforts.

They identify them. They call them out, and they make it plain as day that "real" progressive socialists won't have anything to do with these "enemies of the people".

Today in America, these are the enemies…

• White people.
• Anyone who is friends with white people.
• Climate change deniers.
• Traditionally-minded people.
• Gun owners.
• People from a predominantly "red" state.
• Religious people (with the exception of Muslims).
• Heterosexual people and traditional marriages.
• Anyone or anything associated with traditional America

In America, it is "White Privilege".​

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
-Michael Dukakis

Political Correctness is a blanket term that today is used to demonize and isolate.

"Why do I even worry about some silly little statue coming down? Or some silly little street names changing? Why do I even care?" she asked.

"It's because the last time I didn't care," the woman then said, answering her own question. "The last time, I didn't care about this as a teenager — I have already lived through these things when I was living in Venezuela."

"Statutes came down, [Hugo] Chavez didn't want that history this way. And then he changed the street names, then came the [school] curriculum. And then some movies couldn't be shown on TV channels, and so on and so forth," she said.

Talking to Americans, the woman pointed out that she has heard it said that these things can't happen here.

"But always been on guard, never believe that something can't happen to you," she cautioned. "You need to guard your country, your society, or it will be destroyed."

"We didn't believe it could happen to us, we Venezuelans," she said. "Cubans warned us, and we were like, 'We know what freedom is like, that's not going to happen here.'"

"Yet, it happened," she concluded."
-Venezuelan woman begs Americans to wake up: This is how it starts. Cubans warned us, we didn't think it could happen to us.

It goes by other names in other nations. But by whatever name is of no consequence. What is important is how it is used, and what it's purpose is. For it prevents a person from saying what they truly think.

History is full of reminders in how to use terminology like this.

First comes the us-vs-them propaganda. Then the disarming. Then the gathering of people. Finally comes the killings. Every time you hear the term "white privilege" on the media, this is what that announcer wants to do to your family and YOU.

The dehumanization and objectification of political adversaries is always used in the preparation and justification for mass murder. This came into sharp focus as an effective weapon during the French Revolution. As well as other "revolutions", "civil wars", or "conflicts". They are almost always genocidal events initiated by the richest people in the nation.

In these events, people are pitted against each other. Often by the most trivial of reasons. Their "armies" are mob-manipulated youth driven into crazed behaviors by decades of non-stop propaganda. We we have some urban youth, provided with drugs and military weapons to terrorize the countryside.

The specific insults morph to fit the circumstances and the times. each time it is a new and different term; a new name. Yet, each insult is designed to have the same effect — to dehumanize and to objectify a group of people.

These are the people in opposition to the dominant group that has seized power and the legal mechanisms of the State.

Progressive liberal militia in Berkeley, California getting ready to fight against "White privilege" , deplorables, and racists. They are willing to kill anyone whom they deem a threat to their vision of a Marxist utopia. Please take a special note that the Marxist militia is totally fine with having "large capacity" magazines, while the law is in place to collect them from local conservatives and moderates. It doesn't seem fair does it?

The insults and attacks serve a purpose to strengthen the ideology of young easily manipulated people who can be the disposable "soldiers" of the cause. This always happens.

It is predictable.

RUF soldiers that participated in the Sierra Leone conflict. They were "brainwashed" into ideologically motivated pawns to accomplish military goals as established by the people instigating the military activity. Rural Midwest America can expect such soldiers to stream outward from Chicago and other major American cities.

Here is a partial list of the defamatory names of condemnation. Pay attention. These are utilized by tyrannical regimes. These well map out the fate meted out to people so branded:

1793, France
Enemies of the people
Enemies of the revolution
Girondists
Indulgents
Aristocrats
Criminal Clergy
Criminals against Liberty

These terms were used often, and resulted in mass executions by guillotine in Paris and cities across France. Additionally, there was total and complete genocide against the Catholic clergy, nuns and laity of La Vendee.

You see. They weren't "progressive" enough.

In France, it was "Aristrocrat Privilege".​

By using emotion-driven political speech, you can demonize a class or a group of people. Then you can take another group of people, manipulate them through alcohol, drugs and sex and unleash them on the people that you demonize. This is a historically proven method.

Well, that was France. Just France. Well, look at what happened in Russia. Know your history.

1917, Russia
Bourgeois Capitalists
Counter-Revolutionaries
Reactionaries
Political deviants
Kulaks
Czarists
Trotskyites
Mental defectives

All this resulted in mass executions by firing squad, mass graves. There was imprisonment and torture in Lubuanka and Leforto prisons. Millions starved to death. Others sentenced to hard labor in Siberia. Know your history.

In Russia, it was "Trotskyite Privilege".​

Demonized people being lead to concentration camps for their "protection". This is ultimately what happens when you demonize a race or class of people

Well, that was just two examples, the argument goes. Ok, then. Let's look at China…

1966, China
Class enemies
Landlords
Bad elements
Rightists
Rich peasants
Impure elements
Revisionists

Of course, this resulted in re-education camps, sanctioned mass murder by Red Guards, torture, imprisonment, and starvation.

In China, it was "Revisionist Privilege".​

In Greece, during the civil war there, dead civilians are shown being pulled out of a well. They were killed and tossed into the well by roving bands of ideological armed youth.
And now, today in the United States. Ah, you say…. "It could never happen here." That's what everyone is saying…right?

2016, USA
Deplorables
Racists
Sexists
Homophobes
Xenophobes
Islamophobes
Irredeemables
Nazis
White Privaledge

What could possibly happen?

In America it will be "White privilege".​

What makes these derogatory blanket terms salient and potentially dangerous is that they were intentionally uttered publicly in front of an audience of admirers in 2016 by Hillary Clinton. And, when she uttered these words; words designed to minimize other Americans, and trivialize them, the crowd burst into clamorous applause.

She did so in possession of all the levers of State power. She did so and used these defamatory, inflammatory, dehumanizing terms to describe en masse tens of millions of American citizens. People like me, and like YOU, the reader.

There are multiple avenues that the Marxists are taking to disarm Americans. This should be obvious to everyone. But there are other avenues of approach that are being done in secret and are hidden. One of which was by UN treaty.

Luckily on "pause" for now…

President Trump signed an executive memorandum officially notifying the United Nations that the United States was withdrawing its support for a United Nations-backed treaty former Secretary of State John Kerry signed in 2013.

With this action — "un-signing" a treaty document — Trump sent a clear, unambiguous, and long-overdue signal to the domestic and international gun control movement, that since 2001 had been pressing for a U.N. foothold to regulate firearms use and possession within our country: "Back off!"

In signing this document, Trump drove a stake into the heart of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT); and our Second Amendment is the stronger for that action.

Oh, the outcry from the left! New Jersey's Bob Menendez, ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wailed that in taking this "disturbing" action, Trump was "[jeopardizing] U.S. security." Rachel Stohl, managing director for the Stimson Center in the nation's capital, somehow concluded that the president's action will "harm the American economy." The common catchword by these and other globalists in describing the ATT that is now dead to the United States, was — as always for the gun control movement – "common sense."

In fact, there was nothing "common sense" about this document and the ongoing process to make it the operative mechanism for international gun control.

Always seeking relevance and power since it was established in the immediate aftermath of WWII, the U.N. has worked for nearly two decades to shoehorn gun control into its "world peace" mission. In this, it has been strikingly successful, with some 130 countries signing the ATT and over 100 actually ratifying it and becoming thereby fully and legally bound by its terms. The U.N. even convinced the Obama Administration to sign onto it and submit it to the U.S. Senate for ratification, where it sat until Trump's April 29 action pulling it back.

Despite the long-standing effort by ATT proponents to present the Treaty as a purely international instrument affecting only export and import of firearms, lurking within its broad parameters and underlying authorities is a catalog of gun control measures that each signing country (which had included the United States) commits to act consistent with.

This list of what Menendez and Stohl (and others) describe as "common sense" measures includes, among others:

• Restricting civilian possession of firearms only to those "at the lowest risk of misusing them." (Violation of the 2nd amendment.)

• Limiting sales and other transfers of firearms only to commercial transactions at licensed "sales premises" (in other words, no transfers at gun shows).

• Only persons licensed and periodically re-licensed by the national government could possess firearms. (Violation of the 2nd amendment.)

• All firearms must be registered with the national government. (Violation of the 4th amendment.)

• All persons wishing to possess a firearm must pass a rigorous exam administered by the national government. (Violation of the 2nd amendment.)

• All firearms must be stored in locked containers separate from ammunition, and "bolted to a heavy or immovable object." (Violation of the 2nd amendment.)

• Only a pre-determined number of firearms and rounds of ammunition may be possessed by a properly licensed civilian. (Violation of the 2nd amendment.)

• Magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds. (Violation of the 2nd amendment.)

• No firearm could be possessed before at least a seven-day waiting period.

• No civilian could own or possess a firearm for self-defense unless they first demonstrate a clear and convincing need.(Violation of the 2nd amendment.)

• Individuals licensed to own firearms are subject to periodic and random inspections of their homes or businesses (Violation of the 4th amendment)

• In order to be granted a license to possess a firearm, an individual must secure recommendations from "responsible members of society," attesting to their "suitability to possess a small arm." (Violation of the 2nd amendment, as well as the preamble to the Bill of Rights.)

These terms would not — unless the treaty was ratified by the Senate — be legal binding. However, the federal government's commitment to act consistently with all explicit and underlying terms of the treaty would have provided easy opportunity for gun control advocates in any administration to take such steps and justify them by virtue of Kerry's signature back in 2013.

At least with regard to the Arms Trade Treaty and its sneaky gun control agenda, Americans who understand and support the right to keep and bear arms, can heave a sigh of relief thanks to Trump's action on April 29.

-Bob Barr (@BobBarr) represented Georgia in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003. He currently serves as president and CEO of the Law Enforcement Education Foundation.

All it takes is for the US Senate to ratify the UN agreement, and the President to sign it. When that happens, the Bill of Rights become subject to modification by the UN.

The Western Rifle Shooters blog-spot has a number of excellent writers on this subject. One of whom is "Bracken". I have provided numerous excerpts from his profound insights. One of which is below. Take note…

The Yellow Line:
The yellow warning line will be crossed with national gun registration laws, including laws forbidding private gun sales without government permission. When that law passes, millions of Americans will feel that they have been pushed directly to the edge of the abyss above the mass graves of history. Defenders of the Second Amendment know what happened in Turkey, the USSR, Germany, China, and other nations that fell under totalitarian rule: in every case a necessary preliminary step on the road to genocide was national gun registration, followed by confiscation. The Jewish survivors of the Nazi Holocaust say, "Never again!" And so do we.

The Red Line:
The red line will be crossed with the passage of laws mandating that currently owned weapons, ammunition magazines, and ammunition quantities above a certain number must be turned in to authorities or destroyed, and thereafter their simple possession will be a felony. At that point, the nation will be on a hair trigger, with a thousand flaring matches nearing a thousand primed cannon fuses aimed directly at the next Fort Sumter.

The Dead Line:
The next line requires a bit of history to explain. In some primitive Civil War POW camps, where lack of funding or logistical constraints did not allow the construction of proper fences, a knee-high continuous railing of wooden slats encircled the prison grounds. Guards with rifles were positioned at the corners and in crude towers. If a prisoner so much as stepped over the narrow plank, he was shot dead without warning, obviating the need for a real fence to contain him. Hence the term "dead line." Cross the line and people die, right now.

And this is what liberal utopians must understand: after passing the yellow line with national gun registration and transfer requirements, and the red line by making possession of currently legal firearms felonious, the dead line will be breached with the first SWAT raids upon citizens suspected of owning legal firearms made illegal by the new gun control laws. People will die resisting confiscation, in large numbers.

Confiscation crosses the dead line, make no mistake about it.

-Bracken
I am sure that he thinks that we are getting close to "zero hour". But, maybe we are way past that moment in time. Maybe.

Now, let's just see where we are, shall we…

Yellow Line

Requiring government permission to exercise the right to own a gun. Sorry. We have been there for almost a century.

The National Firearms Act (NFA), 73rd Congress, Sess. 2, ch. 757, 48 Stat. 1236, enacted on June 26, 1934, currently codified as amended as I.R.C. ch. 53, is an Act of Congress in the United States that, in general, imposes a statutory excise tax on the manufacture and transfer of certain firearms and mandates the registration of those firearms.

Red Line

This is where guns, ammo, or types of gun components must be turned into the government. We have been there for almost a full decade. Ever since Obama became President.

• Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians – The New York Times
• California Man Has Home Raided, Guns Confiscated After Trying to Register Firearm
• Can the Police Take Your Gun(s) During a State of Emergency?
• New York Safe Act: Renew Your Permit and Register All Your Guns or Face Confiscation
• NY Gun Confiscation – Citizens Told to Turn in Firearms

And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it.

You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing.

You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.

-Daily Reckoning
Those progressive Marxists are pretty emboldened. Taunting us conservatives like that. Maybe they are in their own echo chamber or maybe they know something we don't.

Maybe they know something…

Dead Line

We are there. People now die when the police come to their houses to collect their guns.

• Home Resident Killed by Maryland Police Trying Confiscate His Guns
• Anne Arundel police say officers fatally shot armed man in his home trying to confiscate his guns
• Maryland Man Killed By Cops Trying To Take His Guns
• It Begins… Man Fatally Shot By Cops While Unlawfully trying to confiscate his guns.

According to police, two officers serving a new Extreme Risk Protective Order (Red Flag Law), a Maryland protective order to remove guns from a household, shot and killed the man listed on that order.

"Under the law, family, police, mental health professionals can all ask for the protective orders to remove weapons," said Sgt. Jacklyn David, with Anne Arundel County Police.

That man was identified as Gary J. Willis of same address.

Officials said Willis answered the door while holding a handgun.
Willis then placed the gun next to the door.

When officers began to serve him the order, Willis became irate and grabbed his gun.

One of the officers tried to take the gun from Willis, but instead Willis fired the gun.

The second officer fired a gun, striking Willis. He died at the scene.

Maryland's 'Red Flag' Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

Convinced yet?

You have a window of opportunity now.

Things are not yet "hot". Do you intend to stay put, and if so do you have a safe hiding place... well constructed, well-hidden, with supplies? Are you armed and able and (most importantly) willing to use the weapons?

Culture and ideology shapes people. Power flows from the barrel of a gun.

 

[TheRejectionist]

So apparently Bud Light got owned and surpassed by a (originally) Mexican beer (that apparently own or kinda half own?)...

Grupo Modelo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LordsFire]

Ink on a page. And we’ve all seen just how much that is worth. Not just in the last few years, but in the last few decades.

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 2) – Metallicman

metallicman.com

I read a chunk of this article, and while it had some good points, it was also hilariously ignorant (or extremely poorly written) on how 'rapidly' liberal corruption of our institutions has been happening.

They're acting like an effort that's been running for most of a century is a relatively recent thing.

 

[DarthOne]

I read a chunk of this article, and while it had some good points, it was also hilariously ignorant (or extremely poorly written) on how 'rapidly' liberal corruption of our institutions has been happening.

They're acting like an effort that's been running for most of a century is a relatively recent thing.

True. Obviously, I can't answer why they did this. Could be for sake of brevity given how long the whole thing already is. Or they just want to go for stuff that was in recent memory as a way of getting people off their asses.

 

[Bear Ribs]

This story has to be read to be believed. Scraping a bit, a hyper-liberal daughter felt "unsafe" near uncle Dave, because he voted for (I presume) the Bad Orange Man. Uncle Dave accepted this and didn't attend. The mother of the bride, who was also the one to tell Uncle Dave he wasn't welcome, sent him pictures of everybody else at the wedding to make him feel "included." Uncle Dave hasn't spoken with her or the bride since, which is bad. Worse! Her other kids feel Uncle Dave was treated unfairly, and are upset with mom over this.

But that's not the worst. No, Liberal Daughter was counting on getting a big fat check from Uncle Dave. He always gave generous wedding gifts to other family members... the ones who invited him to the wedding and treated him like actual family... but he didn't give any gits to the bride who said he made her feel unsafe and didn't want him around her. How despicable. The bride needs that money. What's a mom to do?

Bride wants a withdrawal from the Bank of Uncle Dave

Another problem is that Dave has not sent my daughter and son-in-law a wedding gift.

www.freep.com

The Columnist's answer, which tears a strip out of mom and the bride alike for this and throws the Liberal Daughter into the Bridezilla Hall of Fame, is hilarious.

 

[mrttao]

Again, those changes would be nice, but I'm not sure they affect prostitution.

You are wrong about this. 47% of americans under the age of 30 are incels right now. I do not use the term as an insult.

If you think 47% of pop being incels has nothing to do with prostitution then we fundamentally disagree about the nature of reality and there is nothing to discuss

However, regardless of your opinion on that 47% incel figure, we also disagree about the causes of it. I said over 90% of them are due to extremely stupid laws we should just abolish. But you seem to disagree and think there will not be any impact on that figure from merely law change.

That the figure is almost entirely due to a combination of women being allowed to work plus the "contraceptive" pill (female steroids).
I think this is ridiculously wrong.

Condoms predate the pill, and the pill itself is simply not enough to account for the incel rate

Also you could just ban the pill. In fact you absolutely should, the female steroid pill not only causes immense damage to a woman's body and mind, but it also does not get metabolized. She then pees the female steroids, which end up in the water. This causes immense ecological devastation. Then men and women drink it from tap water and it cause another round of immense harm.

previous post of mine containing citations and also summary of %s

30% of american adults (18 to death) are single.
47% of americans under 30 are single
21% of americans age 30 to 49 are single
30% of american age 50+ are single
of those
This means that
26.79% of americans age 18 to 30 are single and NOT looking for a partner and NOT looking for casual sex.

As for the environmental damage...

USA:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0609568104

Collapse of a fish population after exposure to a synthetic estrogen

Municipal wastewaters are a complex mixture containing estrogens and estrogen mimics that are known to affect the reproductive health of wild fishes. Male fishes downstream of some wastewater outfalls produce vitellogenin (VTG) (a protein normally synthesized ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/birth-control-pill-threatens-fish-populations-1.2796897

Sweden:

Estrogen in birth control pills has a negative impact on fish

New research shows that hormones found in birth control pills alter the genes in fish, which can cause changes in their behavior.

www.sciencedaily.com

Israel:
I don't have an english link. but not too long ago israeli newspaper were published in hebrew saying israeli fish are going extinct due to synth estrogen pills

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[DarthOne]

You are wrong about this. 47% of americans under the age of 30 are incels right now. I do not use the term as an insult.

If you think 47% incel of pop being incels has nothing to do with prostitution then we fundamentally disagree about the nature of reality and there is nothing to discuss

However, regardless of your opinion on that 47% incel figure, we also disagree about the causes of it. I said over 90% of them are due to extremely stupid laws we should just abolish. But you seem to disagree and think there will not be any impact on that figure from merely law change.

That the figure is almost entirely due to a combination of women being allowed to work plus the "contraceptive" pill (female steroids).
I think this is ridiculously wrong.

Condoms predate the pill, and the pill itself is simply not enough to account for the incel rate

Also you could just ban the pill. In fact you absolutely should, the female steroid pill not only causes immense damage to a woman's body and mind, but it also does not get metabolized. She then pees the female steroids, which end up in the water. This causes immense ecological devastation. Then men and women drink it from tap water and it cause another round of immense harm.

previous post of mine containing citations and also summary of %s

As for the environmental damage...

USA:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0609568104

Collapse of a fish population after exposure to a synthetic estrogen

Municipal wastewaters are a complex mixture containing estrogens and estrogen mimics that are known to affect the reproductive health of wild fishes. Male fishes downstream of some wastewater outfalls produce vitellogenin (VTG) (a protein normally synthesized ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/birth-control-pill-threatens-fish-populations-1.2796897

Sweden:

Estrogen in birth control pills has a negative impact on fish

New research shows that hormones found in birth control pills alter the genes in fish, which can cause changes in their behavior.

www.sciencedaily.com

Israel:
I don't have an english link. but not too long ago israeli newspaper were published in hebrew saying israeli fish are going extinct due to synth estrogen pills

You know....given how much the wokists love their environmentalist causes, this could be something we could point out to them. One, its an issue that does genuinely need to be addressed and is worrying for its effect on the environment and humans.

Plus, it could stirr things up in their rank and file and cause some infighting. Confusion to our enemies!

 

[Abhorsen]

You are wrong about this. 47% of americans under the age of 30 are incels right now. I do not use the term as an insult.

If you think 47% incel of pop being incels has nothing to do with prostitution then we fundamentally disagree about the nature of reality and there is nothing to discuss

I'm not saying I disagree, I'm saying I don't think you've given enough evidence to show this. Show that people being single tracks positively with prostitution. You are the one making the positive claim (i.e. claiming that X is related to Y), it's on you to show this relationship actually exists.

Showing that there are a lot of incels isn't enough. I'll give you that there has likely been an increase in incels. But has there been a matching or at least similar increase in prostitution?

Condoms predate the pill, and the pill itself is simply not enough to account for the incel rate

Condoms don't change who has control over who has a kid nearly as radically as the pill does.

However, regardless of your opinion on that 47% incel figure, we also disagree about the causes of it. I said over 90% of them are due to extremely stupid laws we should just abolish. But you seem to disagree and think there will not be any impact on that figure from merely law change.

I didn't say there would be no impact. I think there easily could be impact from that. But it's not a complete solution that would end prostitution, there would still be a significant amount left, IMO. If people like Robert Kraft (literal billionaire who did have a girlfriend or wife at the time) are getting a rub and tug, it's not just a incel thing.

But even with your ballparked 90% figure, there's still the 10% left of prostitutes who still are prostitutes. Legalization would help them.

As for environmental damage, I a) don't really care much unless they are saying it directly affects humans, and b) I wasn't claiming the pill was good or bad, just that it radically changed how stuff worked.

 

[mrttao]

I'm not saying I disagree, I'm saying I don't think you've given enough evidence to show this

Enough? I didn't give any.

I categorically stated it is self evident fact that if you lower the number of single people you will lower demand for prostitution.

And that if you disagree about this statement you are so far removed from reality that we cannot even have a debate.

I have showed evidence for many other things though. Such as for example the rate of incels, and the harmful effects on the environment (but not people) of female steroid pill

Show that people being single tracks positively with prostitution. You are the one making the positive claim (i.e. claiming that X is related to Y), it's on you to show this relationship actually exists.

I have so far done research and provided backing to 3 or 4 different things. This is non trivial amount of work.

And you keep on asking me for more and more research for every minutia while providing none yourself.
there are literally only 5 people in this thread.

Just how many patently obvious sub points do I need to research?
this is just [citation needed] spamming

How about you post some research that shows that there is absolutely no link whatever between % pop being single, and prostitution

 

[Abhorsen]

Enough? I didn't give any.

I categorically stated it is self evident fact that if you lower the number of single people you will lower demand for prostitution.

And that if you disagree about this statement you are so far removed from reality that we cannot even have a debate.

I have showed evidence for many other things though. Such as for example the rate of incels, and the harmful effects on the environment (but not people) of female steroid pill

Yeah. I think some basic piece of evidence for this would be nice. I want to know how much of an effect it would have, for example. I do think there's probably some effect, but I've no idea how big the effect is. With the rise of casual sex, etc, it could have shrunk vs. when there was staunch monogamy.

I have so far done research and provided backing to 3 or 4 different things. This is non trivial amount of work.

And you keep on asking me for more and more research for every minutia while providing none yourself.
there are literally only 5 people in this thread.

Just how many patently obvious sub points do I need to research?
this is just [citation needed] spamming

How about you post some research that shows that there is absolutely no link whatever between % pop being single, and prostitution

Again, because you are the one stating facts. I have categorically NOT stated that there is no link. I honestly believe there probably is some link, just not a huge one.

My position, the same one I had at the beginning, is that your changes will probably have some negative effect on prostitution. But it won't get close to destroying it, I don't think. Hence my position of legalizing prostitution so that the prostitutes left will have access to the law and its protections.

 

[mrttao]

eah. I think some basic piece of evidence for this would be nice.

How about you show a study that stated that prostitution demand figures do not correlate to % of pop unable to find a mate?

I posted a bunch of evidence thus far. only fair that you do some research too.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Isn't the logical conclusion that if too many women become prostitutes, there's not enough women for the male population unless they import more in? XD