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[King Arts]

Eh, depends if you are talking about Europe or the Americas. Most of european conservatism has basically been the democrat party equivalent, and their opposition is the progressive leftists. They dream of being as based as neocons and rinos, which is just pathetic (with Thatcher the one major exception).

Never forget, as bad as the US is, most of Europe is a million times worse.

No they aren't, that is just spacebattles cope about how the US is so far right and everywhere else is more to the left. The only place that might be true is economics. But the left right split is more than just right sucks up to the rich left helps the poor. It covers tradition, religion, morality, the very people themselves. Many Europeans will laugh at progressive bullshit like trannies or critical race theory.

She was elected, what was it, 3 times straight? And she radically reduced government power in Britain (which is why she gets hatred). Don't get me wrong, the UK is far from free, but it was worse prior to Thatcher. She privatized a ton of government monopolies.

Umm that does not determine if something is free or not or has civil rights or not.

Like that is a relatively minor thing, for example Abhorsen you are bi and are pro gay rights. Tell me of these two examples of nations which would you rather live in.
Option A the nation is completely economically libertarian on almost everything except a few important things like nuclear power or things of that nature. But otherwise all of the economy is in the hands of private people and the government just takes a 10 tax cut across the board to handle police and military. However their police enforce religious law think Islam or Medieval Christianity so getting caught engaging in gay sex acts will get you executed, as well as blasphmy but otherwise they leave you alone.

Option B the nation is perfectly tolerant towards gays has gay marriage, adoption, etc. However they have heavy government intervention in the economy think the Nordic nations or France, the government also invests in many bussinesses.

Which would you rather live in?

 

[DarthOne]

@King Arts what Europe are you talking about!? Culturally, they’re in just as deep as the USA is with CRT and all the other nonsense you mention, if not even more so.

 

[King Arts]

@King Arts what Europe are you talking about!? Culturally, they’re in just as deep as the USA is with CRT and all the other nonsense you mention, if not even more so.

French Reject American 'Woke' Culture That's 'Racializing' Their Country

Younger French activists have embraced political correctness, but older members of the establishment have reservations.

www.newsweek.com

Will American Ideas Tear France Apart? Some of Its Leaders Think So (Published 2021)

Politicians and prominent intellectuals say social theories from the United States on race, gender and post-colonialism are a threat to French identity and the French republic.

www.nytimes.com

Influential French people seem to look down on that stuff. See while the French may SEEM accepting it's a somewhat strange veeneer. The way being French is while any black, white, asian, or Arab/Morrocan can be French. Then they are FRENCH they aren't black Frenchmen, Arab French, etc. Their version of multiculturalism is that the immigrant abandons their past and is now a French citizen just like any other. They 100% believe in assimilation and CRT and it's focus on intersectionality is a threat to that since it epmhasizing division. Not just a Frenchwoman but a black Frenchwoman who is an immigrant Muslim. Do you get the example?

 

[Abhorsen]

No they aren't, that is just spacebattles cope about how the US is so far right and everywhere else is more to the left. The only place that might be true is economics. But the left right split is more than just right sucks up to the rich left helps the poor. It covers tradition, religion, morality, the very people themselves. Many Europeans will laugh at progressive bullshit like trannies or critical race theory.

No. I mean there is no freedom of speech in Europe. There is no right to self defense in Europe (as they ban guns). Freedom of religion? Only sometimes present in Europe. I could go on.

See, the difference between the US and Europe is that in Europe, everyone agrees on the authoritarianism, so much so that the parties don't even consider calling it out. In the US, we properly call one side crazy because they are calling for it, but at least most in the GOP aren't actively calling for more authoritarianism.

Umm that does not determine if something is free or not or has civil rights or not.

The thing is those two are heavily related. HEAVILY. You don't tend to get one without the other. Government control over the economy leads to government control over your life (as they decide who has a good life or a bad life based on who gets promoted, etc). Government control over your life leads to government control over the economy (as they have moral objections to how a company is run or what it produces).

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Eh, depends if you are talking about Europe or the Americas. Most of european conservatism has basically been the democrat party equivalent, and their opposition is the progressive leftists. They dream of being as based as neocons and rinos, which is just pathetic (with Thatcher the one major exception).

Never forget, as bad as the US is, most of Europe is a million times worse.

Specifically talking about American....

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Predditor comes up with 'very good' idea to get rid of MAGA people.

 

[Cherico]

Predditor comes up with 'very good' idea to get rid of MAGA people.

And what do you do when they fight back?

 

[Yinko]

And what do you do when they fight back?

I think the point was to get them angry enough to commit assault and then shoot them to death. Funny enough, if they argued that they feared for their life because of the crowd, and if they were in a Dem district, it would probably work.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

And what do you do when they fight back?

As Yinko said, the idea is you hope they start an incident, so you can shoot a bunch in retalliation.

Which...Is actually illegal if you had intent to start an incident of course lmao.
Being a predditor, I don't think their capacity for rational thought is very high.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Hustled by Discord larpers...Damn Pentagon, you're a mess.

 

[mrttao]

> Win election where people voted for you
> establishment expel you

so much for voting.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

> Win election where people voted for you
> establishment expel you

so much for voting.

Yeah, assuming there isn't more to it, that kind of shit is getting dangerous. We're five to ten years off from the kind of urban factionalization of Chile and Argentina in the 60's which led to the insanity both countries faced in the early seventies.

 

[Captain X]

Gotta be honest between that and what we currently have... I'd take that.

I really don't like where we are now. Condeming drag queen groomer shows brought to kids by school trips shouldn't be controversial. I'll take being called a prude if it keeps those freaks away from kids and keeps our schools from grooming them.

False dichotomy.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

When you commit treason and blow the whole lid off the fake ass war in Eastern Europe, out how cucked and compromised the military is and how infiltrated and disloyal our IC is and you do it all to own some Aspies on discord in an internet debate.

This is amazing, if this is true and I honestly suspect it is (because our government isn't just evil its stupid.) This is staggering new levels of mental retardation by the IC.

This is worse than when the FBI got baited by Native American strippers into murdering its own agents on behalf of Indian ethnonats.

Astounding.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Insane trans dude throws rock at church, spraypaints it with vulgar claims, assaults a dude.
Gets off scott free.

Ahhh, justice!

 

[Aldarion]

It's where they exercise it, and cultivate it from. It always has been. From the bureaucrats to the colleges, almost all of their power derives from government.

Explain... literally everything, then.

In Croatia, we had a somewhat nationalist government under Tuđman. He managed to hold off the Left until he died, but the moment he did die, everything fell apart. Why? Because he was not successful in eliminating non-government institutions. Soros' Open Society, various "human rights" organizations and so on... all of them kept digging against him, and so in 2000. we got openly Communist government. Granted, his mistake was not eliminating the old Communist elites, but even so...

Point is, Leftist aim is not to control the government. They want to control the society itself. And if you truly believe that democracy exists, then control of the education and the media automatically means control of the government.

 

[Abhorsen]

Specifically talking about American....

Sorry then.

Explain... literally everything, then.

In Croatia, we had a somewhat nationalist government under Tuđman. He managed to hold off the Left until he died, but the moment he did die, everything fell apart. Why? Because he was not successful in eliminating non-government institutions. Soros' Open Society, various "human rights" organizations and so on... all of them kept digging against him, and so in 2000. we got openly Communist government. Granted, his mistake was not eliminating the old Communist elites, but even so...

Point is, Leftist aim is not to control the government. They want to control the society itself. And if you truly believe that democracy exists, then control of the education and the media automatically means control of the government.

From some quick lookup, the guy you are talking about was one who failed at decommunizing. By the end of his rule, 70% of Croatia's major corporations were still state owned. He didn't seem to do much in getting rid of government power either.

But in response to power coming from government, the point of the NGOs was to gain control of the powerful government, as you said. Then once they had the government, they could do commie shit. There will always be people who want control over a powerful lever like government, and given time and incentive, they will get control (as you pointed out). The solution is to destroy the lever, as the right is rarely actually in control of it (at best they order around the leftist operating the lever, to dubious success).

Point is, Leftist aim is not to control the government. They want to control the society itself. And if you truly believe that democracy exists, then control of the education and the media automatically means control of the government.

If the state controls the media and/or education, then again, the problem is government control, not non-government control. As leftists will always tend to control state agencies even if not in power in government. That is power coming from government.

Yes, the leftist aim is to control society. But they almost always need government to exert that control.

 

[Aldarion]

From some quick lookup, the guy you are talking about was one who failed at decommunizing. By the end of his rule, 70% of Croatia's major corporations were still state owned. He didn't seem to do much in getting rid of government power either.

But in response to power coming from government, the point of the NGOs was to gain control of the powerful government, as you said. Then once they had the government, they could do commie shit. There will always be people who want control over a powerful lever like government, and given time and incentive, they will get control (as you pointed out). The solution is to destroy the lever, as the right is rarely actually in control of it (at best they order around the leftist operating the lever, to dubious success).

He was a Communist himself. But he at least appeared to have cared about the country.

If the state controls the media and/or education, then again, the problem is government control, not non-government control. As leftists will always tend to control state agencies even if not in power in government. That is power coming from government.

Yes, the leftist aim is to control society. But they almost always need government to exert that control.

I'm not talking about governmental control here. In Croatia we have Jutarnji list, Večernji list, 24Sata, RTL, HRT, N1, Nova TV, BBC, Al Jazeera Balkans... all of these are anti-Croatian in nature, but HRT is the only one that is under governmental control.

In fact, while Croatian government does help a lot of these financially, many simply do not need such financial assistance because they receive enough funding from abroad.

So again: while Leftists certainly aim to increase the government in order to increase their control over the society, it is foolish to think that merely reducing the government will solve the issue of leftist dominance.

 

[mrttao]

This is worse than when the FBI got baited by Native American strippers into murdering its own agents on behalf of Indian ethnonats.

Do you have the story somewhere? I wanna read this