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Apparently I was in the army for about 8 months without realizing it:

Id honestly be ok with fighting in the same fox hole as you.
 


Tl;Dr
The internet is completely and utterly fucked, full of actual political extremists with too much time on their hands, or literal government operated bots designed to break apart any sort of organically formed groups.

Blanket-banning of a single subreddit removed the vast majority of another subreddit's moderation-load. That's fucked up.
 
It's reddit, it is a private company that can do what it wants.
While yes it sucks but that is what happens and they are allowed to do to not being a government entity
 
It's reddit, it is a private company that can do what it wants.
While yes it sucks but that is what happens and they are allowed to do to not being a government entity

Fuck that shit. Once a company is big enough, and it serves an ostensibly public function, it should legally be treated as a public forum. Which should mean free speech and equal treatment of all users should be enforced, and literally the only valid reason to limit or remove something or someone should be if it violates the law. (I.e. kiddie porn, or concrete death threats, or stuff of that nature.)

This should be applied to all large social media and communication service providers (e.g. webhosts), and to all large banks, insurance companies and retirement funds, at the very least.
 
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Fuck that shit. Once a company is big enough, and it serves an ostensibly public function, it should legally be treated as a public forum. Which should mean free speech and equal treatment of all users should be enforced, and literally the only valid reason to limit or remove something or someone should be if it violates the law. (I.e. kiddie porn, or concrete death threats.)

This should be apllied to all large social media and communication servicde providers (e.g. webhosts), and to all large banks, insurance companies and retirement funds, at the very least.
203 says this is false.
Because you can't hold a company accountable for the people on jt due to them not being the company.
Now do admins on Reddit definitely do this? Yes.
But having companies take responsibility for people on jt will cause massive amounts of censorship
 
203 says this is false.
Because you can't hold a company accountable for the people on jt due to them not being the company.
Now do admins on Reddit definitely do this? Yes.
But having companies take responsibility for people on jt will cause massive amounts of censorship

"This man-made rule says the rule is the rule, therefore you can't disagree with the rule, because the rule say so."

Thanks, but you're clearly not competent to argue this matter.
 
"This man-made rule says the rule is the rule, therefore you can't disagree with the rule, because the rule say so."

Thanks, but you're clearly not competent to argue this matter.
i had a brain fart.

while i get what your coming from, it would not be easy to enforce. How can you know a death threat is concrete? For example.
Or..companies would just host everything outside the US and then not be bound by its rules.
 
i had a brain fart.

while i get what your coming from, it would not be easy to enforce. How can you know a death threat is concrete? For example.
Or..companies would just host everything outside the US and then not be bound by its rules.

But how do you ever know that? Basic notion: if it's protected by the first amendment, they shouldn't be able to ban or restrict it.

As far as companies outside the USA are concerned: if I were Trump, I'd make "all US companies always fall exclusively under US law" a hard condition of any tariff/trade deal. (So the EU, for instance, would then be universally forbidden from restricting speech on US websites in any way; if they think anything is criminal, they'd actually have to bring it before a US court. Obviously, as part of the deal, they'd likewise be forbidden from imposing fines on US companies, or from blacklisting US companies.)



Anyway, to clarify, if necessary:

The broader idea here is that normal (i.e. reasonably sized) companies can all do as they wish; that's a good principle. If the baker on the corner wants to refuse service to certain people, that's his right. There's bakers everywhere. But if there's like five big banks in the country, or five big insurance companies, or five big social media platforms... ostracising people from those has far too great an impact on individual lives. If you leave those "big guys" free to just censor people, or to deny vital services to people, then the principle no longer serves the people.

The greater the concentration of power, the more stringently it should be limited in what it can do to the little guy. Whether the power concentration is formally "public" or "private" matters not one iota to me. So, practical solution: create a separate legal category for the sufficiently large companies, whereby their scope defines them as automatically becoming semi-public. (At least as far as their role goes; and therefore also as far as their responsibility is concerned.) Which then bars them from denying or restricting service to members the public.

This means that no paying member of the public can be denied a bank account, or an insurance or pension account, unless a court of law finds that the account is being used for criminal purposes (e.g. laundering money or financing a terrorist organisation). Furthermore, nothing and no-one gets may be banned from major social media, unless a court of law finds that what's being posted by a given person is actually criminal; and nothing may be reach-restricted or "shadow-banned". And internet service providers may not refuse to host or display any website, unless a court of law finds that criminal materials or services are being offered on said website.

(And to be clear: it may not be some special 'star chamber' type court, staffed by obliging bureaucrats. If a megacorporation wants to restrict service to any member of the public, they have to get a regular court to okay it, and members of the public can appeal as is normal; and if it's ultimately found that the megacorp was wrong and the little guy was right, the punitive damages must be substantial.)
 
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The broader idea here is that normal (i.e. reasonably sized) companies can all do as they wish; that's a good principle. If the baker on the corner wants to refuse service to certain people, that's his right. There's bakers everywhere. But if there's like five big banks in the country, or five big insurance companies, or five big social media platforms... ostracising people from those has far too great an impact on indiidual lives. If you leave those "big guys" free to just censor people, or to deny vital services to people, then the principle no longer serves the people.
You have to admit that online argumentation started getting really retarded about this, to the point where even the most adamant defenders of corporate bullshit started shutting up over it.
>ITS A PRIVATE WEBSITE, CHUDS! GO MAKE YOUR OWN!
Okay fine, we made one...But now the payment processors barred it so we can't actually keep it online
>THEY'RE PRIVATE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CHUD! GO MAKE YOUR OWN!
Yeah go ask Gaddafi how well that went lmao.
Once they started unironically suggesting that people should 'Just make your own nation, BIGOTS!', they realized how comically dangerous that sentiment is.
 
But how do you ever know that? Basic notion: if it's protected by the first amendment, they shouldn't be able to ban or restrict it.

As far as companies outside the USA are concerned: if I were Trump, I'd make "all US companies always fall exclusively under US law" a hard condition of any tariff/trade deal. (So the EU, for instance, would then be universally forbidden from restricting speech on US websites in any way; if they think anything is criminal, they'd actually have to bring it before a US court. Obviously, as part of the deal, they'd likewise be forbidden from imposing fines on US companies, or from blacklisting US companies.)



Anyway, to clarify, if necessary:

The broader idea here is that normal (i.e. reasonably sized) companies can all do as they wish; that's a good principle. If the baker on the corner wants to refuse service to certain people, that's his right. There's bakers everywhere. But if there's like five big banks in the country, or five big insurance companies, or five big social media platforms... ostracising people from those has far too great an impact on individual lives. If you leave those "big guys" free to just censor people, or to deny vital services to people, then the principle no longer serves the people.

The greater the concentration of power, the more stringently it should be limited in what it can do to the little guy. Whether the power concentration is formally "public" or "private" matters not one iota to me. So, practical solution: create a separate legal category for the sufficiently large companies, whereby their scope defines them as automatically becoming semi-public. (At least as far as their role goes; and therefore also as far as their responsibility is concerned.) Which then bars them from denying or restricting service to members the public.

This means that no paying member of the public can be denied a bank account, or an insurance or pension account, unless a court of law finds that the account is being used for criminal purposes (e.g. laundering money or financing a terrorist organisation). Furthermore, nothing and no-one gets may be banned from major social media, unless a court of law finds that what's being posted by a given person is actually criminal; and nothing may be reach-restricted or "shadow-banned". And internet service providers may not refuse to host or display any website, unless a court of law finds that criminal materials or services are being offered on said website.

(And to be clear: it may not be some special 'star chamber' type court, staffed by obliging bureaucrats. If a megacorporation wants to restrict service to any member of the public, they have to get a regular court to okay it, and members of the public can appeal as is normal; and if it's ultimately found that the megacorp was wrong and the little guy was right, the punitive damages must be substantial.)
By US law, something like this isn't even needed.

Just actually enforce section 230 in a meaningful way, and make each internet company decide; are they a platform, or a publisher?

If they're a publisher, they get all the moderative and editorial powers they want, but liability will destroy them if they try to be a site primarily based on user-created rather than employee-created content.

If they're a platform, it's much as you describe. No moderative or editorial powers to censor or throttle; they're a public space just as a phone company is.

I do agree with the more stringent stance about banks though. In this age of digital transactions and the like, barring someone from being able to use banks is functionally un-personing them. It's not even a matter of forcing them to use cash anymore; they can't even get cash at that point, because what employer actually pays in cash? If a bank wants the privilege of profiting from fractional reserve lending and not being held legally responsible for holding the accounts of actual criminals, they should be barred from arbitrarily and capriciously shutting down the accounts of people whose politics they just don't like.
 
If they're a publisher, they get all the moderative and editorial powers they want, but liability will destroy them if they try to be a site primarily based on user-created rather than employee-created content.
People will retort to this with "Yeah well if these rules are in place, EVERY website will be super censored and unusuable!"

My response? Go right ahead! Go do it! PLEASE!

The sooner websites censor themselves into nonexistence, the sooner I'll be happy.

These retards think that websites I already hate going defunct will somehow upset me, lmao.
 
It's reddit, it is a private company that can do what it wants.
While yes it sucks but that is what happens and they are allowed to do to not being a government entity
Reddit explicitly defines itself as a public platform to avoid liability for what users posts.
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Just actually enforce section 230 in a meaningful way, and make each internet company decide; are they a platform, or a publisher?
I looked it up and the actual wording of section 230 are bad.
Section 230 has two main provisions: (c)(1) and (c)(2). First, (c)(1) states, “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”1 In practice, this means online services are not liable for defamatory or otherwise unlawful content their users post. Meanwhile, 230(c)(2) states that providers are not liable for “any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of” objectionable content.2 This second provision enables providers to engage in content moderation and enforce their community standards.
It protects them from liability while ALSO giving them carte blanche to censor "in good faith".

Censorship cannot ever be in good faith.
It needs to be revised to only protect them from liability while they DO NOT censor. The moment they start censoring, they are not a platforrm but a publisher.
 
Reddit explicitly defines itself as a public platform to avoid liability for what users posts.
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I looked it up and the actual wording of section 230 are bad.

It protects them from liability while ALSO giving them carte blanche to censor "in good faith".

Censorship cannot ever be in good faith.
It needs to be revised to only protect them from liability while they DO NOT censor. The moment they start censoring, they are not a platforrm but a publisher.
Part of the language also specifically says that 230 exists to facilitate political discourse, etc.

Any sane interpretation of 'good faith' in that context would not allow for political censorship.

But, of course, we have the problem of 'sane' and 'leftist judges.'
 
Part of the language also specifically says that 230 exists to facilitate political discourse, etc.

Any sane interpretation of 'good faith' in that context would not allow for political censorship.

But, of course, we have the problem of 'sane' and 'leftist judges.'
Eh...
The exact wording of the bill is allowing the good faith banning of "objectionable content".
That is incredibly poor wording.

I get that they meant porn and spam.
But it should be explicitly defined.
 
How much damage are the Dems doing to the Judicial system with all of these Nation Wide grabs of power by lower district courts?
The damage was already done. What they are doing now is exposing the rot.
It is actually very healthy to the judicial system to be exposed that way.
Hiding the cancer does not cure it. It only makes things worst to hide it.
 


More evidence that Britain/UK is a conquered nation and people.
Edit: Sorry, it's a long fucking video so I should've mentioned a Tl;Dw

Tl;Dw
Vast majority of ads show interracial couples (specifically White female and non-White male), show White men as being incompetent or non-important, and in essence it's all propagandistic in nature. Fucking Triumph of the Will is less blatant than this.
 

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