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[LordsFire]

Words, words, and words. But you haven't provided a single concrete fact or argument.
In this reality, feminism has boosted social, economic, political, and health outcomes for over half the population. It has also supported the protection and nurturing of children and the lower classes. It has its crazies, but it has generally done right by a class of humankind that has generally been helpless against violence and deprivation.


What I expect to see instead is that the liberal parties start moving a little more to the right and the right wing parties start moving a little more to the left. Both for the same purpose: to appeal to the majority of the population that wants to be safe from criminals and anti-social elements but also hates the very idea of "nationalism".

Here's a place for you to start:


To hit some key points:
1. Feminist activism did not stop once there were no longer legal or institutional barriers to feminist success.
2. They push an active disinterest in studying negative effects of their policies on boys.
3. They push for men's careers to be destroyed just for daring suggest men and women are different.
4. They generally treat boys as defective girls.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

1. Feminist activism did not stop once there were no longer legal or institutional barriers to feminist success.
2. They push an active disinterest in studying negative effects of their policies on boys.
3. They push for men's careers to be destroyed just for daring suggest men and women are different.
4. They generally treat boys as defective girls.

Alright, now that's a decent argument. I don't agree with these points, but I don't disagree either. They're not wrong, after all.

 

[LordsFire]

Alright, now that's a decent argument. I don't agree with these points, but I don't disagree either. They're not wrong, after all.

I think your position on this thread is not correct, but you are not incorrect in noting that most of those arguing against you have been too lazy to actually link or source... anything.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

I think your position on this thread is not correct, but you are not incorrect in noting that most of those arguing against you have been too lazy to actually link or source... anything.

I think I've already given a reason for why I have a soft spot for the feminists. But I won't deny that they are still, in the end, a partisan movement that promotes the interests of only half the population. At the cost of the other half, if necessary.

And while I am perfectly fine with sharing power and fair competition, as well as with fighting exploitation, I'll be damned if I let anyone take collective revenge on me.

 

[LordsFire]

I think I've already given a reason for why I have a soft spot for the feminists. But I won't deny that they are still, in the end, a partisan movement that promotes the interests of only half the population. At the cost of the other half, if necessary.

And while I am perfectly fine with sharing power and fair competition, as well as with fighting exploitation, I'll be damned if I let anyone take collective revenge on me.

These days, collective revenge against men is like 80% of what feminism effectively exists for.

You don't see feminists trying to move into countries like Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or other places where there is legalized discrimination against women. It's almost entirely trying to tilt the table ever-further in women's favor against men.

Ostensibly feminism is about 'equality,' and they talk about a wage gap, and about the proportion of male vs female CEOs.

They don't talk about the proportion of male vs female sanitation workers, or prison inmates.

They used to talk about the disparity in college students in general, but not since that switched to being in women's favor. I've yet to hear of a single modern feminist say 'hey, we need to back things off, the ratio isn't equal, it's in our favor, and we're about equality, not supremacy!'

They'll still try to force quotas onto individual schools and departments that have more men than women though.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

These days, collective revenge against men is like 80% of what feminism effectively exists for.

Just a few years ago, they were standing up for female sex assault survivors. And because I have zero trust in my own gender to not move to oppressing them the instant feminism is weakened (from bitter experience), I'd rather they stay.

But they need to behave first.

 

[LordsFire]

Just a few years ago, they were standing up for female sex assault survivors. And because I have zero trust in my own gender to not move to oppressing them the instant feminism is weakened (from bitter experience), I'd rather they stay.

But they need to behave first.

It'd be much simpler to just have an egalitarianism lobby.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

It'd be much simpler to just have an egalitarianism lobby.

We don't live in an ideal world.

 

[DarthOne]

We don't live in an ideal world.

No. We don't. Which doesn't leave us with much option going forward, does it?

 

[SoliFortissimi]

No. We don't. Which doesn't leave us with much option going forward, does it?

No, siree. There is only one path forwards.

 

[King Arts]

India isn't quite as bad as MENA when it comes to its treatment of women, but only in shades. Any woman going to that Subcontinent should ditch any romantic assumptions and treat it no differently than going to Iraq or Egypt.

Actually I'd say India is worse than the Middle Easterners. Sure in the middle east women don't really have rights, but on the flip side rape is actually pretty rare (outside of a war) since the punishments are actually severe. The UAE, Saudi and other gulf states are pretty safe. While India is pretty famous/infamous for it's men being pests and there are a few gang rape scandals.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

In my opinion feminism was always about supremacy instead of equality.
They wanted votes without the responsibility men required to vote, they wanted jobs without the experience or natural talent in those industries, they wanted everything men had, but weren't willing to trade what they themselves had.

Basically female version of gibsmedat.

 

[DarthOne]

In my opinion feminism was always about supremacy instead of equality.
They wanted votes without the responsibility men required to vote, they wanted jobs without the experience or natural talent in those industries, they wanted everything men had, but weren't willing to trade what they themselves had.

Basically female version of gibsmedat.

Exactly this. The original feminist movement started because upper class British women where pissed off because their right to vote got taken away because the government thought it was unfair to have one group of women have the vote but not others. Or something like that.

 

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[SoliFortissimi]

rape is actually pretty rare (outside of a war) since the punishments are actually severe

There's no way we can know, because the rapists can easily hush things up. The women, after all, have more to lose than the rapists do.

And especially strange women who don't have any male protectors. Have you heard about the massive rape gangs female tourists in Egypts faced? Right in the open? In the capital city?

 

[LordsFire]

There's no way we can know, because the rapists can easily hush things up. The women, after all, have more to lose than the rapists do.

And especially strange women who don't have any male protectors. Have you heard about the massive rape gangs female tourists in Egypts faced? Right in the open? In the capital city?

To echo you on this point, even in relatively 'liberal' parts of the muslim world like Dubai, women who have reported being raped to the police have found themselves being arrested for committing adultery.

 

[King Arts]

There's no way we can know, because the rapists can easily hush things up. The women, after all, have more to lose than the rapists do.

And especially strange women who don't have any male protectors. Have you heard about the massive rape gangs female tourists in Egypts faced? Right in the open? In the capital city?

Nope fornication is the same punishment for men and women, so is adultery. And again no the rapist has more too lose since rape carries the death penalty.

But can you tell me about the Egypt case?

To echo you on this point, even in relatively 'liberal' parts of the muslim world like Dubai, women who have reported being raped to the police have found themselves being arrested for committing adultery.

Prosecution of Marte Dalelv - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I googled raped woman in Dubai arrested that came up.

It's a bit more complicated than a woman being violently raped. Many times a woman gets drug, and sluts it up. I know you support the way the liberal west gives women's rights the ability to be whores. But your idealogies have led to the west falling into shit. So maybe those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

 

[SoliFortissimi]

It's a bit more complicated than a woman being violently raped. Many times a woman gets drug, and sluts it up. I know you support the way the liberal west gives women's rights the ability to be whores. But your idealogies have led to the west falling into shit. So maybe those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

...isn't LordsFire the evangelical?

At any rate, you've made your opinion on sex assault very clear. You treat it more as a property crime against the male "owners" rather than a crime against the woman's dignity. Hell, you literally started slur shaming rape victims with all the fury of a third world male.

I won't lie. I find your views disgusting and antithetical not only to civilization, but also to God Himself. From now on, I'll be considering you no better than a leftist.

 

[mrttao]

At any rate, you've made your opinion on sex assault very clear. You treat it more as a property crime against the male "owners" rather than a crime against the woman's dignity. Hell, you literally started slur shaming rape victims with all the fury of a third world male.

... are you retarded or just can't read?
that is not what he said at all.

I am seeing you everywhere lately and you seem to be a typical woke cultist. Completely and utterly deranged and utterly detached from reality.
It is like you have been living under a rock, consuming nothing but MSM.

You twist anything you hear into a woke cultist talking point. In every thread you are participating in. Because that is the only thing you seem to be able to conceive.

Kings arts was talking about the issue of woman who willingly consuming drugs such as alcohol, then have consensual sex while slightly inebriated (with a man who consumed just as much if not more alcohol than them), then throwing out bullshit rape allegations is NOT the same as saying "rape is a property crime against their male owners".
Those are two completely different arguments. The latter one being you putting words into people's mouths