Firms urged to crack down on office football chat

LifeisTiresome

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Chat about football or cricket in the workplace should be curtailed, a management body has warned.

Chartered Management Institute head Ann Francke said sports banter can exclude women and lead to laddish behaviour such as chat about sexual conquests.

"A lot of women, in particular, feel left out," she told the BBC's Today programme.

"They don't follow those sports and they don't like either being forced to talk about them or not being included."

"I have nothing against sports enthusiasts or cricket fans - that's great," she said.

"But the issue is many people aren't cricket fans," she added, arguing bosses should crack down on sports banter.

Ms Francke is concerned that discussing football and, for example, the merits of video assistant refereeing (VAR) can disproportionately exclude women and divide offices.

"It's a gateway to more laddish behaviour and - if it just goes unchecked - it's a signal of a more laddish culture," she said

"It's very easy for it to escalate from VAR talk and chat to slapping each other on the back and talking about their conquests at the weekend."

'Terrible idea'

Nevertheless, Ms Francke does not think sports chatter should be banned, just moderated.

She said that good managers should be inclusive and ensure that everyone in their team feels comfortable.

But sports journalist Jacqui Oatley thinks cracking down on sports chatter would be a "terrible idea".

"If you ban football chat or banter of any description, then all you're going to do is alienate the people who actually want to communicate with each other," she told the Today programme.

"It would be so, so negative to tell people not to talk about sport because girls don't like it or women don't like it, that's far more divisive."

She said the secret was to discuss sport in an inclusive way and to notice if people were blankly "staring into space" during the conversation.

Office manager Debra Smyth worries that other topics such as Love Island, EastEnders and Game of Thrones could also be censored if sport chatter is banned.

"I personally think companies should not dictate what people talk about, as not talking about it will alienate those with similar interests," she said.

"Where would it end? Banning people with children talking about them so as not to alienate people without children. Certainly not!"

Recruiter Peter Ferguson said: "I have seen managers and staff build a more direct bond over a shared love of sport which has excluded those who don't share that interest.

"The answer is not to ban the conversation, it is to ensure managers and staff are trained to understand that those shared interests should not get in the way of management decisions or working collaboratively."

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Another worthless so called higher educated intellectual feminist out to control everything a man does. Men can't drink alcohol without being chastised, men can't sit without being chastised, men can't enjoy our hobbies without being chastised, men can't even chat with fellow male office workers about our favorite topics without being chastised. Its always, THINK ABOUT THE WOMEN!!!
 
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Husky_Khan

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Hmmm....

*checks*

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What the hell?

GO HOME GAMER GIRLS!!!

This game isn't played for you!!! :mad:
 

LifeisTiresome

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Hmmm....

*checks*

0LlUrAD.jpg


What the hell?

GO HOME GAMER GIRLS!!!

This game isn't played for you!!! :mad:
Lol.

Its the fucking principle of the thing.

These feminists are out to make men miserable and emasculate us. That is their goal. Not this equality lie the fucktards at SB believe. I don't give a shit about sports. Its the principle that as a male, you can't talk about anything unless its been stamped approved and appropriate by the wahmen.
 

Emperor Tippy

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And people wonder why conservatives just slaughtered the left in the last election.

Anser? Its called bread and circus's, sports are the circus's any ruling class with a brain understands that you leave that shit alone or the masses will replace you.
Just to clarify, you mean in the UK, right?

And if so, you also need to account for Labour running a terrorist apologist and avowed supporter of the IRA.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
And people wonder why conservatives just slaughtered the left in the last election.

Anser? Its called bread and circus's, sports are the circus's any ruling class with a brain understands that you leave that shit alone or the masses will replace you.

Hey, for the ruling classes, especially the current ones

Bread & Circuses is supposed to go hand and hand with their propaganda

They will say having fun isn’t bad but you also gotta “learn” and be “taught” how to be a better person

Your fiction has to be “relevant” like Les Miserables or in TvTropes Speak “Values Resonance” like Metal Wolf Chaos XD

  • Values Resonance: Quote Gamespot,
    • "Playing through the game now, however, it's hard not to draw parallels with the events and storytelling tropes of the game and today's political climate. With homegrown terrorism, fascism, and propaganda on the rise, it can make some of the events of the game feel eerie—even when its story is totally absurd. Between levels, you're treated to breaking news segments from major news channels where your battles against the Hawk's militia are intentionally misconstrued and repackaged as propaganda. Essentially, fake news."


Y’ll white boys gotta “grow up” and be as actively “inclusive” as possible and recognize your “faults” like this one

Odds are even Football guys will say it’s men’s fault that women aren’t so interested. Count on celebrities to betray you.
 
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Cherico

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Hey, for the ruling classes, especially the current ones

Bread & Circuses is supposed to go hand and hand with their propaganda

They will say having fun isn’t bad but you also gotta “learn” and be “taught” how to be a better person

Your fiction has to be “relevant” like Les Miserables or in TvTropes Speak “Values Resonance” like Metal Wolf Chaos XD

  • Values Resonance: Quote Gamespot,
    • "Playing through the game now, however, it's hard not to draw parallels with the events and storytelling tropes of the game and today's political climate. With homegrown terrorism, fascism, and propaganda on the rise, it can make some of the events of the game feel eerie—even when its story is totally absurd. Between levels, you're treated to breaking news segments from major news channels where your battles against the Hawk's militia are intentionally misconstrued and repackaged as propaganda. Essentially, fake news."


Y’ll white boys gotta “grow up” and be as actively “inclusive” as possible and recognize your “faults” like this one

Carl, those people's power has peaked.

Their continued insistence on being heavy handed assholes created the coalition that will defeat them, their bleeding money, their enemies grow every day and their coalition's very ideology has the seeds of its own distruction.

We have dealt with these kinds of assholes before, we can deal with them again.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Carl, those people's power has peaked.

Their continued insistence on being heavy handed assholes created the coalition that will defeat them, their bleeding money, their enemies grow every day and their coalition's very ideology has the seeds of its own distruction.

We have dealt with these kinds of assholes before, we can deal with them again.

In the meanwhile, gonna have to endure their cringe

Will take awhile to replace em with guys who aren’t crazy or just following whatever their party says
 

prinCZess

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I don't know if it would be safe for me to roll my eyes as hard as this requires.
"A lot of women, in particular, feel left out," she told the BBC's Today programme.

"They don't follow those sports and they don't like either being forced to talk about them or not being included."
A lot of women don't feel left out, follow those sports, and enjoy talking about them.

The implication that's strange is...kind of a step back, attitude-wise.
The suggestion it's some gateway-drug to machismo and crude comments is...like...comedy-sketch worthy stuff. Like...Sure, it undoubtedly does happen. But at that point you're playing a game where a totally fine thing becomes bad because of a different bad thing.
There's no logic there.
She said that good managers should be inclusive and ensure that everyone in their team feels comfortable.
That's all that needs to be encouraged. That's the only concern.
Sports has nothing to do with it, and getting sidetracked to it undercuts the point in a variety of ways.

'Don't be obnoxious when you discuss things and try to shove it in people's faces...Oh, and everlasting advice not to be an asshole still apply' is the entirety of this point, and it's one that applies to any conversation on any topic ever regardless of the sex of the people involved.
 

Floridaman

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Chat about football or cricket in the workplace should be curtailed, a management body has warned.

Chartered Management Institute head Ann Francke said sports banter can exclude women and lead to laddish behaviour such as chat about sexual conquests.

"A lot of women, in particular, feel left out," she told the BBC's Today programme.

"They don't follow those sports and they don't like either being forced to talk about them or not being included."

"I have nothing against sports enthusiasts or cricket fans - that's great," she said.

"But the issue is many people aren't cricket fans," she added, arguing bosses should crack down on sports banter.

Ms Francke is concerned that discussing football and, for example, the merits of video assistant refereeing (VAR) can disproportionately exclude women and divide offices.

"It's a gateway to more laddish behaviour and - if it just goes unchecked - it's a signal of a more laddish culture," she said

"It's very easy for it to escalate from VAR talk and chat to slapping each other on the back and talking about their conquests at the weekend."

'Terrible idea'

Nevertheless, Ms Francke does not think sports chatter should be banned, just moderated.

She said that good managers should be inclusive and ensure that everyone in their team feels comfortable.

But sports journalist Jacqui Oatley thinks cracking down on sports chatter would be a "terrible idea".

"If you ban football chat or banter of any description, then all you're going to do is alienate the people who actually want to communicate with each other," she told the Today programme.

"It would be so, so negative to tell people not to talk about sport because girls don't like it or women don't like it, that's far more divisive."

She said the secret was to discuss sport in an inclusive way and to notice if people were blankly "staring into space" during the conversation.

Office manager Debra Smyth worries that other topics such as Love Island, EastEnders and Game of Thrones could also be censored if sport chatter is banned.

"I personally think companies should not dictate what people talk about, as not talking about it will alienate those with similar interests," she said.

"Where would it end? Banning people with children talking about them so as not to alienate people without children. Certainly not!"

Recruiter Peter Ferguson said: "I have seen managers and staff build a more direct bond over a shared love of sport which has excluded those who don't share that interest.

"The answer is not to ban the conversation, it is to ensure managers and staff are trained to understand that those shared interests should not get in the way of management decisions or working collaboratively."

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Another worthless so called higher educated intellectual feminist out to control everything a man does. Men can't drink alcohol without being chastised, men can't sit without being chastised, men can't enjoy our hobbies without being chastised, men can't even chat with fellow male office workers about our favorite topics without being chastised. Its always, THINK ABOUT THE WOMEN!!!
But they don"t talk about football, these silly Europeans always talk about soccer instead.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
@prinCZess I am just completely baffled about which part of watching men give each other concussions is supposed to be un-feminist!

It’s about watching men enjoying something they aren’t interested in, which means that men are actively excluding them or simply put their disinterest is the fault of men

Specifically the fault of men that women like and wear different things from men
 

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