Fallout Favorite Fallout New Vegas Ending

Nikkolas

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So three's already a thread discussing the neverending Imperials vs. Stormcloaks. argument. This is the other big WRPG argument/discussion/unending hell. As a huge fan of the game however, I welcome jumping into the void.

Who is right for the Mojave and why?


I am uncertain, although I lean on Wild Card for being the most defensible from a purely moral position. Every other group is a colonizer.

However, and I dare say some here would sympathize with this, I love WRPGs for offering...shall we say, alternative viewpoints you can endorse and side with? How many games let you choose from two different flavors of dictator? Not many, I suspect. The contrast between Ed and Bob is one of New Vegas' high points. But my main point is, whatever your values are, they are only worth something if they are examined and defended. New Vegas does that quite well, I think.
 
I tend to side with the Bear. While the NCR is going through a Glided age it can improve.

House is just bad for New Vegas. Yes, he is better then raider gangs but stability is going to be short term. Also while the NCR falls at upholding fairness they at least try to act like a democracy with laws. House is just a mega crop backed by an robot army. Outside of his favorites everyone is screwed. Once House is gone the whole system collapses.

The Legion is bad for so many reasons. First it is that it is just as unstable as any government under House. Once Ceasar dies the infighting will break the Legion. Then you get into the slavery, common massive amounts brutality, sexism, hate for technology. There is little good to say about them or any real reason to side with outside pmaykbg an evil character.


Fallout in general has always tried to offer choices and let the player choose their own path. I remember the choice in Fallout 1 with Junktown. Where when you pick the good choice and Junktown suffers while the bad choice helps the town in general.
 
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I sided with the NCR too, frankly saw it as the best way to eventually unite the Mojave's people

Though, lots of people would be rightly pissed at having to pay taxes for things they never agreed to or possibly being told they're squatters and finding that their guns won't match a new wall of guns coming in

Didn't trust House or the idea of Vegas becoming its own nation when another older one is around
 
Mr House all the way!

I mean why?

While it seems like a good idea on the surface a little look will show it is bad in the long run.

House is basically a Warlord with corporation shine to his rule. There is no structure that will survive House so while he has lived for a long time it only a matter of time before he dies. Then the Families, Kings and other groups all start open warfare.

Even under House there is very little protection for the average citizen. House only cared about the strip any land outside of that is "Under" his rule only so far as to keep other out. While the chip and upgraded securitrons will extend his reach. The thing is that House only has military power and no ability as it stands change the more social aspects.
 
I mean why?

While it seems like a good idea on the surface a little look will show it is bad in the long run.
I will address your post point by point.
House is basically a Warlord with corporation shine to his rule.
I can't and won't argue this but it really has no relevance to the topic of if he would be a good leader.
There is no structure that will survive House
What is your meaning in this statement?
so while he has lived for a long time it only a matter of time before he dies. Then the Families,
Objectively false, their is no indication that House is on the immediate brink of death if the pod remains closed nor does he seem nervous Bout the prospect and if he was about to die he seems the type of man to entrust his legacy to someone else if strickly necessary to maintain his dreams for Vegas.
Even under House there is very little protection for the average citizen. House only cared about the strip any land outside of that is "Under" his rule only so far as to keep other out.
This isnt true, the fact that House killed off the fiends in one ending proves House is more than willing to cement his hold beyond the strip the man has been preoccupied in rebuilding the strip for the past few decades and didn't have the capability to project force without the chip, furthermore its shown in one of the Primm endings that House does in fact have the ability to project his forces at least that far out of Vegas so his force projection isnt that bad.
 
The problem with NV is that the NCR was the only reasonable choice. The Legion was obviously out, and so was house and wild card, for the sane region. Independent city states do not last long against expansionist nation states, particularly not ones like the Mojave that have nothing going for them. Vegas and the dam are the only notable things the Mojave has, outside that they're screwed. No industry, no farms, uneducated population, nothing else. And Vegas is useless except as a tourist trap, and the dam's value is likewise limited. What's it going to power, exactly?

What is your meaning in this statement?

The power structure in Vegas is "do what the man with the robots tells you to do, or else". There's nothing being done to build Vegas into a society or nation, it's been set up as an autocracy ruled by force alone, and that system won't last. Or worse, it will last, because as you say he's not likely to die anytime soon.

This isnt true

That is exactly true. House's securitrons have one response to legal misconduct, bullets (there's a reason the NCR demanded that they be able to post their own law enforcement on the strip). House also deliberately set out to create Gomorrah, an entire casino that runs on human misery from top to bottom. House has zero regard for the welfare of those under his rule.

And as for his force projection, remind me, what does he do with that? Oh, right, he conquers the entire region by force and punishes anyone who sided with the NCR, even in places like Prim where he has no legitimate claim to authority.



But those are both just side issues to the real problem with house, which is that he's a bad leader with stupid plans. House handpicked the leaders of the new casinos he was building, and exactly one of them stayed loyal, Marjorie. Benny was his protégé and he turned on house, along with most of the Omertas. And even Marjorie had a bunch of her people plotting behind her back, and without player intervention they'll succeed, so really he's 0/3 there. Once that backfires, house switches to you. And, presuming that you're not at this point a renowned hero of the NCR or the legion and thus obviously have divided loyalty (but you totally could be by that point) you are still close friends with a member of the brotherhood of steel, aka the group of people house wants to murder because they (correctly) thinks he's an abomination of prewar science running amok. Association with any of those 3 groups is a massive red flag, and yet house trusts you anyway, something that gets him killed.


As for his plans, house's plan goes something like this:
1. Humiliate and backstab the most powerful country in the wasteland, while also relying on that country as a revenue stream.
2.????
3. Build spaceships using a highly educated workforce you don't have, built out of raw materials you also don't have, launched from a rocket test site that doesn't have the facilities to get something out of the gravity well.

This is a stupid, bad plan. House knows that the kind of stunt he's planning might backfire and make the NCR hate him even more, because he's a prewar citizen and knows that exactly that kind of thing has happened repeatedly in the past. House also knows that while losing the dam will hurt the NCR, losing the revenue from the NCR will destroy him. He also knows that he has no access to the educated workforce he'd need for his spaceship plan, because the Mojave has no education system because he didn't set one up (and when he stumbled onto vault 21, which had an educated population called of maintaining its advanced technology, he destroyed the vault and scattered it's inhabitants to the four winds), meaning he'd have to import those people from the NCR. He also knows the Mojave has no industry and that many of the components and machines he'd need would have to come from, you guessed it, the NCR.

Knowingly all that, it's very clear that house's future plans utterly depend on continued access to and trade with the NCR, which makes his plan to antagonize them incredibly stupid.
 

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