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What If? Equipping the Global Defense Initiative Military

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The Global Defense Initiative was founded in accordance with the United Nations Global Defense Act (UNGDA), on the date of 12 October 1995, as a united military force for global peacekeeping. The GDI's initial goal was to preserve world order by combating the threat of multinational global terrorism and uphold the ideals of the UN Charter (which no one really follows but sounds good).

Heavily based in WESTERN ideals and doctrine (and funding), this thread will attempt to harness the resources of massive amounts of military nerdium and geekdom in trying to create a GDI military based on our (grossly distorted) perceptions of reality.


The idea here is as follows. Create a military focused on the Global Defense Initiative concept. The following guidelines are in place:

The primary members of the GDI are as follows (partially based in game as well) known as the G8: United States, United Kingdom, France, Japan, Germany, South Korea & India.

Other countries affiliated with the GDI strongly are Argentina, Australia, Austria, the Baltic Countries, Brazil, Canada, Chile, the Czech Republic, Denmark (and Iceland), Egypt, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Israel, South Korea, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Oman, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland, Turkey & the United Arab Emirates.

We can add onto this any other NATO or EU member countries so that would draw in countries like Finland & Sweden for example. And probably other close allies like Thailand, Tonga, Philippines, Singapore, Colombia, Panama, Kuwait, and Georgia etc.

Countries not included will be Russia and China. Russia because... according to Red Alert 1 lore it was kinda subverted by Kane and his NoD Machinations though this is ignored in later Red Alert canon and China because it was its own distinct faction in C&C Generals and I might have some other ideas for it. Plus both of their militaries are kinda divergent from the 'Western' concept we have of GDI anyhow.

The goal of this thread will be to (nerd out) create a Global Defense Initiative Military and Infrastructure and other Frameworks.

The GDI is going to need its own unified military and equipment lines streamlined and standardized. There's only one Mammoth Tank after all (per game) not a dozen different Main Mammoth Tank designs out there so equipment will have to be chosen in many of the following categories.

Main Guidelines:

1) Choose one piece of equipment or ship class or vehicle etc for each category. If you feel something is redundant or un-needed, feel free to ignore it.
2) Choose any piece of equipment up to modern day, this includes things in the prototype stage or cancelled projects up to this point that had some probable feasibility.
3) The equipment must come from one of the main or affiliated GDI nations/companies within them. Also the GDI wants as many of its member states to contribute equipment, both for inclusion and support of the member states but also for resiliency purposes.
4) Cost and other production bottlenecks aren't a huge bottleneck. The GDI military isn't going to go insane with the prices so try and stay within the realm of practicality. Has to be something that can reasonably considered capable of supporting the GDI.
5) If you need a guide, the GDI's doctrine of overwhelming firepower, advanced technology, combined arms and other Western doctrines should be considered.

Example using World War Two Stuff... like a 1945-era GDI :p
Main Battle Tank: Centurion MK I (Great Britain)
Infantry Fighting Vehicle: None
Infantry Mobility Vehicle/MRAP/Light Armored Vehicle (Wheeled): M9A1 Half-Track (USA)
Infantry Mobility Vehicle/Armored Taxi/Armored Personnel Carrier (Tracked): AMX-VCI (France)
Self-Propelled Howitzer: T19 Howitzer Motor Carriage (USA)
Towed Howitzer: M114 155mm Howitzer (USA)
Towed Light Howitzer: QF 25 Pounder Short (Australia)
Multiple Rocket Launcher System: Panzerwerfer 42 (Germany)
Jeep/Light Truck/Technical: Willys MB (USA)
Reconnaissance Armored Vehicle: LT-38 (Czechoslovaka/Germany)
Amphibious Armored Vehicle: Type 2 Ka-Mi (Japan)
Airborne Armored Vehicle: M22 Locust (Great Britain)
Short Range Air Defence Vehicle: Crusader III/AA Mk2 (Great Britain)
Anti-Tank Vehicle: Semovente da 75/18 (Italy)


Land Forces Vehicles (30):

Main Battle Tank:
Infantry Fighting Vehicle:
Infantry Mobility Vehicle/MRAP/Light Armored Vehicle (Wheeled):
Infantry Mobility Vehicle/Armored Taxi/Armored Personnel Carrier (Tracked):
Self-Propelled Howitzer:
Towed Howitzer:
Towed Light Howitzer:
Multiple Rocket Launcher System:
Jeep/Light Truck/Technical:
Medium Military Truck:
Heavy Military Truck:
Attack Helicopter:
Utility Helicopter:
Heavy Lift Helicopter:
Light/Scout Helicopter:
Reconnaissance Armored Vehicle:
Amphibious Armored Vehicle:
Airborne Armored Vehicle:
Short Range Air Defence Vehicle:
Self Propelled Anti-Tank Vehicle:
Medium/Long Range Air Defense System:
Theater Air Defense System:
Tactical Missile Launcher:
Reserve/Territorial Main Battle Tank:
Reserve Tank Destroyer (Wheeled):
Reserve Infantry Fighting Vehicle:
Reserve Infantry Mobility Vehicle/MRAP/Light Armored Vehicle(Wheeled):
Infantry Mobility Vehicle/Armored Taxi/Armored Personnel Carrier (Tracked):
Reserve Self Propelled Howitzer:
Reserve/Territorial SPAAG:

Infantry Weapons (20):

Pistol:
Shotgun:
SubMachine Gun/PDW:
Carbine:
Assault Rifle:
Battle/Marksman Rifle:
Sniper Rifle:
Anti-Material Rifle:
Light/Squad Machine Gun:
General Purpose Machine Gun:
Heavy Machine Gun:
Automatic Grenade Launcher:
Mortar:
Light/Disposable Anti-Tank Weapon:
Secondary Light/Disposable Anti-Tank Weapon:
ATGM:
MANPAD:
Light UAV/Quadcopter:
Infantry Body Armor:
Ceremonial Rifle:

Air Force (20):

Multirole Fighter:
Secondary Multirole Fighter:
Strike/Attack Aircraft:
Electronic Warfare Aircraft:
Bomber:
Heavy Transport Aircraft:
Light/Medium Transport Aircraft:
VIP Transport:
Tanker:
AWACS/AEW&C Aircraft::
ISR Patrol Aircraft:
Light Fighter:
Jet Trainer:
Basic Trainer:
Medium Utility Helicopter:
Light Utility Helicopter:
Long Range/ISR UAV:
Tactical UAV:
Light UAV:

Naval Forces (30):

Aircraft Carrier:
Amphibious Assault Carrier/Ship:
Helicopter Landing/Dock Ship:
Cruiser:
Multirole Destroyer:
Air Defense Destroyer:
Anti-Submarine Destroyer:
Multirole Frigate:
Air Defense Frigate:
Anti-Submarine Frigate:
Corvette:
Missile Boat:
Patrol Frigate/Cutter:
Patrol Boat:
Mine Countermeasure Vessel:
Fleet Tanker:
Tank Landing Ship/LST:
Medium Landing Ship/LSM:
Diesel/Electric Attack Submarine:
Nuclear Attack Submarine:
Nuclear Ballistic Submarine:
Carrier based Multirole Fighter:
Carrier based Electronic Warfare Aircraft:
VTOL Multirole Fighter:
Maritime Utility Helicopter:
Maritime ASW/ASUW Helicopter:
Carrier AWACS/AEW&C:
Maritime Patrol Aircraft:
Light Maritime Patrol Aircraft:
Maritime UAV:

I left out a lot of categories (ZOMG where is the naval drones, basic infantry kit, counter battery radars, etc etc etc). Add your own categories if you want... and don't feel obligated to fill in over a hundred categories... especially in one go. This is meant to be a fun thought exercise.

Basically its like a Modern/Near Future Fantasy Military Project with some guidelines.
 
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This is going to run into two serious problems, first that I don't trust said organization and want it to fail and second, that I have absolutely no useful skills in military logistics whatsoever.

Well, I guess the two might cancel each other out.
 

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This is going to run into two serious problems, first that I don't trust said organization and want it to fail and second, that I have absolutely no useful skills in military logistics whatsoever.

Well, I guess the two might cancel each other out.
Well it's just for fun as a nerdy mental exercise or whatever. Feel free to purge it of ideological meaning or think it's geared towards the necessary eradication of acceptable nonhuman targets threatening Humanity or something.
 

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My point is, I can think of only three uses for such a multinational military force and they're all bad:
  • Plausibility denial for proxy wars where a country isn't technically waging war, they're just sending soldiers but it's totally legally different.
  • A tripwire force to draw countries into proxy wars after politicians cry crocodile tears over the bodies of some of their citizens killed fighting as soldiers for the multinational military.
  • Varangian guard to do stuff the nation's official soldiers would refuse to do to their countrymen. A soldier of country A might refuse to shoot citizens of country A, but they'd have no problem with citizens of country B, so by assigning country A soldiers as jackbooted thugs in country B and vice versa, the multinational military can occupy both.
To actually accomplish the stated goal of preventing wars would require an industrial rather than military force. Every country in the multinational military alliance gets enough infrastructure to be self-sustaining so a war anywhere won't drag in everyone and nobody can blackmail the world into fighting over them or giving them free reign by monopolizing essential products and refusing to sell. Building every single country independent farms so they don't have to care about Ukrainian famine, microchip foundries so they don't have to care about Taiwan, fission reactors capable of supplying their entire power grid so they don't have to care about Middle Eastern oil, etc, would do more for world peace than any amount of military kit.
 

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GDI is such a massive organization that a nation could go bankrupt just trying to equip them.
 

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The Civilizational Defense Fund.

An international effort to address the greatest threats facing human civilization, peak resources, resource-monopolization and fighting over resources. To do so, we'll acquire than flood the market with resources, explicitly apolitically. We don't care about politics. Hell, we'll have a Roosevelt quote in giant neon letters in front of our headquarters, they're irreverent compared to our organization's task of preventing the collapse of civilization, which, since we've already mined out all the resources essential for building technological infrastructure which can be extracted without preexisting technological infrastructure, would be permanent and the fermi paradox

Probably works best if the payoff is equivalently distributed.
  1. Every country must pay an equal percentage of their GDP into the Civilizational Defense Fund, where it pays for the creation of space-based resource extraction infrastructure to prevent Peak Oil/Rare Earth Ores with powersats and asteroid mining. This isn't nearly as expensive as everyone seems to think, the United States alone wasted twice the expected cost of an asteroid mine on a proxy war this year alone.
  2. The loot, in the form of electricity and ore, after the CDF takes first dibs of whatever they need of it to ensure their own continued functionality, is divvied up equally among all countries, to do with as their goverments please. Keep them to improve their own countries, sell them abroad, use as a stable value to back a currency, etc.
  3. This is blatantly unfair in that richer goverments will be paying more into the CDF relative to the resources they receive from it, but deliberately, if the richer countries want more resources they can buy them from the poorer ones as long as there are resources available for sale and I'm paying off my cronies to maintain their loyalty. Poorer goverments know they're getting a great deal out of this new status quo and will therefore veto any attempts to change it and they outnumber richer ones, so they'll always win so long as it remains a matter of voting rather than violence.
Or to put it another way, yeah it's blatant corruption, but so long as the payoff (massive quantities of resources) is worth more than the money it costs to acquire, it'd still be a good deal. And I know the system won't last, but I don't care, I just want the infrastructure built now while earth still has the material resources to do so.

Most likely hypothetical failure states:
  • Rich countries get sick of paying more into a system than poor ones for equivalent gains, nationalize all CDF infrastructure in their territory and continue operating it for their own benefit.
  • The coming caesar figure everyone here keeps predicting is a CDF employee* and unlike me, they're most certainly not apolitical.
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I just wanted to nerd out to military equipment but I guess I can't knock it if the only person whose offering substantial responses wants to talk about something else. 😭:p:geek:
 

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I just wanted to nerd out to military equipment but I guess I can't knock it if the only person whose offering substantial responses wants to talk about something else
Well, since no one is writing anything, I will give some ideas of what I see as GDI equipment myself.

Self-Propelled Howitzer: K9 Thunder South Korea
Currently one of the most popular and best in self-propelled howitzers and at the same time not absurdly expensive and demanding to operate.

Main Battle Tank: M1A2 SEPv4 USA
A classic, the M1 Abrams a good tank, known and loved.

Infantry Fighting Vehicle: IFV Borsuk (Bager) Poland
The world's most heavily armored IFV able to swim. More armor can easily be added if needed.
In short,, IFV universal at a reasonable price but modern.
Heavy Military Truck: MAN KAT1 Germany
A truck like many, German quality and precision. What more do you need?

Reserve/Territorial Main Battle Tank: PT-91M2 Twardy (Hard)/PT-17 Poland/Poland-Ukraine
In the case of the reserve tank, what is needed is a simple and inexpensive machine capable of serving as a prosthesis to a normal tank if need be.
All in all there is one, Soviet simplicity of hull production and easy training combined with Western reinforcements all under the supervision and support of the best engineers of the former USSR.

MANPAD: PPZR Piorun (Lightning) Poland
There are times when there are no planes on your side and any self-propelled air guns have cut in somewhere. Then you need such toys, in the eastern flank NATO countries where there is a problem with heavy air and anti-aircraft support there is such a toy. May it never be needed.
 

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We might also see Isreali Merkava tanks too.
 

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In a realistic First Tiberium War, we'd be seeing all of this in addition to the stuff we see in Tiberian Dawn and Renegade.

We'd also have seen MBTs and other equipment from the UK, France, Spain, Germany too in their version of WW2 (Red Alert 1), too.

The concept of a Battlefield game set in the First Tiberium War, at each stage (early would be a few bits of modern stuff and mostly Soviet/Allied surplus/upgrades, mid would be when mass production and GDI/Nod designs began to replace other vehicles e.g. the stuff we see in Tiberian Dawn like Abrams models through attrition loss, and late would be Renegade-type stuff) would be fucking amazing.

I'd fucking play it. :D
 

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I'd fucking play it.
One would have to kick EA and Dice to try to do this as a break from the Battlefield series and a kind of attempt to play with a form that might work and for which we don't need a normal part of Battlefield.
Maybe this will help New Dice embrace itself?
 

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What I'd love to do is somehow get Tiberium Essence finally working. *sigh*...
 
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