Lanmandragon
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What are the consequences if England wins the 100 year's war? Scenario A: Total English conquest;Scenario B: English mange to hold only Normandy. Discuss
English victory in 100 years war
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Harlock
I should have expected that really
Probably the closest was Henry V. He had won that war, united the kingdoms under his authority, he was marrying a French Princess to cement it. Then he goes and dies before he can actually sit on the throne and the French reverse the deal. Who would have imagined that from France? 
But if he had survived then I'd guess it lasts for a century or two before splitting anyway after the Renaissance. All it takes is one weak king and the nation crumbles, especially one of that size. Maybe the Reformation would be a factor depending on who the English King was at the time.
If you can guarantee a line of strong kings it may last longer, but there is a lot of agitation happening through the 1500s and I don't think any union would be strong enough to endure that intellectual and religious strife. Especially with a hostile Spain and possibly HRE looking at the borders
But if he had survived then I'd guess it lasts for a century or two before splitting anyway after the Renaissance. All it takes is one weak king and the nation crumbles, especially one of that size. Maybe the Reformation would be a factor depending on who the English King was at the time.
If you can guarantee a line of strong kings it may last longer, but there is a lot of agitation happening through the 1500s and I don't think any union would be strong enough to endure that intellectual and religious strife. Especially with a hostile Spain and possibly HRE looking at the borders
gral
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Burgundy, more likely, instead of the HRE.
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Probably the closest was Henry V. He had won that war, united the kingdoms under his authority, he was marrying a French Princess to cement it. Then he goes and dies before he can actually sit on the throne and the French reverse the deal. Who would have imagined that from France?
But if he had survived then I'd guess it lasts for a century or two before splitting anyway after the Renaissance. All it takes is one weak king and the nation crumbles, especially one of that size. Maybe the Reformation would be a factor depending on who the English King was at the time.
If you can guarantee a line of strong kings it may last longer, but there is a lot of agitation happening through the 1500s and I don't think any union would be strong enough to endure that intellectual and religious strife. Especially with a hostile Spain and possibly HRE looking at the borders
I agree that it would split apart after a few centuries. However, I think that what it would definitely result in is interesting, which is that Brittany, when it finally loses its independence through marriage into the ruling dynasty, is probably ruled as a part of England instead of France, and may remain with England after the dynasty split.
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It would probably mean England is richer and France is basically a resource base. Eventually a French claimant to the throne would have emerged and the French nobility would have driven the English off.
Maybe. I suppose you could see an Anglo-French union lasting into the early modern era-maybe. Like it would require a lot of luck but the English kings would have to concentrate on the European continent and not securing Britannia itself.
Maybe. I suppose you could see an Anglo-French union lasting into the early modern era-maybe. Like it would require a lot of luck but the English kings would have to concentrate on the European continent and not securing Britannia itself.
PsihoKekec
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Most likely, as they would be directly embroiled in many continental wars, instead of playing continentals against each other.
Probably the closest was Henry V. He had won that war, united the kingdoms under his authority, he was marrying a French Princess to cement it. Then he goes and dies before he can actually sit on the throne and the French reverse the deal. Who would have imagined that from France?
But if he had survived then I'd guess it lasts for a century or two before splitting anyway after the Renaissance. All it takes is one weak king and the nation crumbles, especially one of that size. Maybe the Reformation would be a factor depending on who the English King was at the time.
If you can guarantee a line of strong kings it may last longer, but there is a lot of agitation happening through the 1500s and I don't think any union would be strong enough to endure that intellectual and religious strife. Especially with a hostile Spain and possibly HRE looking at the borders
Agreed with this and it's also worth noting that the center of gravity of such a kingdom is likely to be France rather than England by sheer virtue of population, which in turn could eventually trigger an English separatist movement in this TL. That said, though, if France and England are one kingdom, then England might permanently remain Catholic in this TL or at least remain Catholic for a longer time period. This could have extremely interesting effects on the Americas, where Protestantism is likely to be much less widespread in this TL. I also wonder if, with a Franco-English kingdom, we are actually going to see anywhere near as much European settler colonialism in North America as we did in real life. Settler colonialism wasn't a huge thing for the French in North America in real life, for instance. Only for the English and to some extent Spanish, if I recall correctly. I also wonder if a Franco-English Kingdom could eventually seek to annex both Scotland and Ireland in order to unify all of the Gaelic and Celtic people into one state. I mean, they would already control both Brittany and Cornwall, so why not complete the trifecta, you know?