Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[Cherico]

Cool, not like I haven't replied to that 1500 times.

In other election news, Giuliani has tested positive for covid-19.

Rudy Giuliani tests positive for COVID-19, Trump says

Mr. Trump tweeted that his personal lawyer has become infected with the coronavirus.

www.cbsnews.com

and in that 1500 times you never thought to ask your self if maybe your the baddy?

Or that maybe you should try and find a system that doesnt have the history of mass murder and faliure associated with it?


As for rudy I wish him the best he's got 99.7% odds of making it so he's got a solid chance.

 

[Megadeath]

Very convenient...

Lol, yep. Getting rid of the embarrassing idiot who hasn't practised law in decades but felt qualified to go before a judge with neither evidence or relevant experience, without adding further examples to his revolving door hiring probably is convenient for Trump. It seems a bit of a stretch to imply that's the reason for his piss poor covid protocol though?

and in that 1500 times you never thought to ask your self if maybe your the baddy?

Or that maybe you should try and find a system that doesnt have the history of mass murder and faliure associated with it?


As for rudy I wish him the best he's got 99.7% odds of making it so he's got a solid chance.

You realise you're sharing a fox hole with the actual KKK and the same proud boys who recently decided they weren't racist enough? Glass houses, and all that.

Also, no. There's an overall 97% survival rate for identified covid cases in the USA not 99.7%, and it's worse in high risk groups like unhealthy elderly people. I hope he does recover, but downplaying the reality of a situation that's going to kill more Americans than WW2 did is just stupid.

 

[The Original Sixth]

I'm glad to hear you're taking it well.

That's what happens when you aren't a loser who expects politicians to fix everything in your life.

A lesson for you, comrade.

They've been trying to do that for the last 100 years. The Democrats aren't leftists and alliances with them are necessarily alliances of convenience. Entryists like the DSA are interesting, but I don't hold out much hope for them.

You realize that when it comes to alliances of convenience, you're the ones who get dropped like a bag of hot shit, right?

The question with this election was only whether we got the competent elderly,

Competent? When has anyone accused Joe Biden of being competent?

racist neoliberal

I doubt he's even racist.

or the incompetent one with the fascist fan club.

I realize communists aren't educated enough to know the difference between things they don't like and fascism, but Trump has yet to support anything that is remotely fascist. Nor would he, given that he's a fucking New Yorker.

while I am glad to see the former beat the latter, neither one is some sort of revolutionary.

Trump was a massive political revolution for the right. Despite attempts by the left to play down his turnout, Trump proved his policies can endure the strongest criticisms that the media can throw at it.

It's why it is baffling to see people screaming that Biden is going to throw them into reeducation camps or outlaw church or something.

Well, AOC has been pushing for those sorts of things.

He's going to be a less corrupt,

He literally blackmailed a foreign country to fire a prosecutor to get his son off the hook for corruption. He is not less corrupt, he is very much more corrupt than Trump.

(somehow) less gaffe prone

He literally admitted on national TV that he has the best election fraud team in the country. Biden was always a second rate politician who gaffed regularly before he lost his marbles.

aid to the corporations

This is naturally why big tech is out to get Biden, rather than carrying his entire election campaign. Hint; when major media platforms are literally trying to fact check you, they aren't your friends.

and the cops than Trump was.

Biden and Harris have both supported far worse police policies than Trump ever has. With Biden supporting a bill that the black caucus in DC has been pissed about for decades and Harris literally keeping prisoners past their release date for literal slave labor.

But hey, from what I hear, it runs in her family.

He'll have a bit more plausible deniability, but he won't be a focal point for a bunch of khaki wearing neo-Nazis

Yes, Trump the Neo-Nazi, a political faction that hasn't held significant power since the Democrats last took it up the ass. No doubt that's why he scored high with black and hispanic voters.

or trying to starve children to own the libs so I'll call it a net plus.

Yeah, okay.

 

[Cherico]

Lol, yep. Getting rid of the embarrassing idiot who hasn't practised law in decades but felt qualified to go before a judge with neither evidence or relevant experience, without adding further examples to his revolving door hiring probably is convenient for Trump. It seems a bit of a stretch to imply that's the reason for his piss poor covid protocol though?


You realise you're sharing a fox hole with the actual KKK and the same proud boys who recently decided they weren't racist enough? Glass houses, and all that.

Also, no. There's an overall 97% survival rate for identified covid cases in the USA not 99.7%, and it's worse in high risk groups like unhealthy elderly people. I hope he does recover, but downplaying the reality of a situation that's going to kill more Americans than WW2 did is just stupid.

and your in the party that founded said KKK in the first place.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Lol, yep. Getting rid of the embarrassing idiot who hasn't practised law in decades but felt qualified to go before a judge with neither evidence or relevant experience, without adding further examples to his revolving door hiring probably is convenient for Trump. It seems a bit of a stretch to imply that's the reason for his piss poor covid protocol though?


You realise you're sharing a fox hole with the actual KKK and the same proud boys who recently decided they weren't racist enough? Glass houses, and all that.

Also, no. There's an overall 97% survival rate for identified covid cases in the USA not 99.7%, and it's worse in high risk groups like unhealthy elderly people. I hope he does recover, but downplaying the reality of a situation that's going to kill more Americans than WW2 did is just stupid.

Bruh, Trump has denounced racists dozens of dozens of time..

 

[The Original Sixth]

You're an idiot. My SB tag is exactly the same as I go by here. Like I said in my initial post, I don't expect to convert people so dyed in the wool they're okay with a candidate wanting to screw their own daughter.

Imagine being dumb enough to think that a New York city slicker like Trump lusts after his own daughter.

I can only assume you're not a father, and have weird issues about your mother if you think what Trump said about his daughter is okay. It's not a compliment. I also think it's weird that people compare a kiss on the lips among family to talking about wanting to date said family member.

No, I think people see what they want to see.

You see a father complimenting his daughter's looks as "I lust after my daughter"

They see family kissing on the lips as some sort of sexual control.

As to your argument that you won't even bother defending a position because it's been done before, surely then responding is no harder than copy/pasting a response. If that CBF attitude is representative of can see why the legal effort is failing.

Is the legal effort failing? Last I heard they only brought 3 cases, had 1 dismissed because it was no longer relevant. A few were denied and they were taking those cases to higher courts. And as much as people seem to scoff at that, it's worth noting that Trump's "Muslim ban" was shot down by lower judges but upheld by SCOTUS.

So I don't see why either side is assuming they have this in the bag.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Biden was always a second rate politician who gaffed regularly before he lost his marbles.

I saw that when he had hearings with Clarence and Sowell.

 

[The Original Sixth]

I saw that when he had hearings with Clarence and Sowell.

He seemed a lot less corrupt then.

Biden if he retained that sort of strength of personality, things would be different. We'd be closer to a Clinton sort of administration than an Obama's. As it is, I don't know what Biden can actually do. He's completely incapable. He's mostly just a figurehead. He won't be able to competently negotiate or reassure the nations he needs to to bring us back towards a global order.

 

[Arch Dornan]

He seemed a lot less corrupt then.

Biden if he retained that sort of strength of personality, things would be different. We'd be closer to a Clinton sort of administration than an Obama's. As it is, I don't know what Biden can actually do. He's completely incapable. He's mostly just a figurehead. He won't be able to competently negotiate or reassure the nations he needs to to bring us back towards a global order.

I want to see a video recording of his negotiations just to see his gaffes.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I saw that when he had hearings with Clarence and Sowell.

It'd be amazing to see Clearance deny Biden the presidency after what Biden did to him in the 90s.

 

[DarthOne]

HUGE if true!

 

[GoldRanger]

HUGE if true!

Waiting for reliable confirmation.

 

[ShieldWife]

A few things might be clouding the issue. for one thing, "leftist" has a lot of different possible interpretations, and it seems among conservatives it is "anybody less conservative than Barry Goldwater". Biden is basically a centrist. I think by design, he has basically sat at the midpoint of the Democratic party on just about every issue, no matter how the party has changed. If you are a goo-goo type who thinks the system basically works, with the possible nedd for a few reforms on corporate power and maybe some slight improvements to the socia safety net, Biden is great.

He is better than great, because Trump is a huge thumb in the eye to that philosophy. Trump represents a break down of the facade of liberal idealism, that the world is post-racial and post-political, and all that is left to do is work out the fine details of exactly how neo-liberalism should be implemented. Trump reveals an America deeply riven by racial paranoia and economic inequality, and the ease with which our constitutional and legal structures can be undermined if people decide to ignore the norms of the system. (This was true before Trump. The rise of the religious right and the Gingrich coalition and later McConnell's grinding congress to a halt under Obama made that clear to those with eyes to see. Trump just made it undeniable.)

If you are little more to the left, in the AOC,/Sanders wing of the Democratic party, getting rid of Trump is still great news. His policies are immoral and his influence on the country is baleful. But a Biden win is a decidedly mixed blessing, and strengthens elements within the party that support a deeply immoral status quo on issues like economic inequality, racial discrimination, police violence, etc.

It you are even further to the left, (it me), you are happy Trump is gone, wish someone who would do more good things than Biden had won (I was partial to Sanders or Warren), but ultimately don't believe any president is going to be able to fix what is wrong with the US or the wider world, and that it will take a deep restructuring of social relations to do so.

So the first set are delighted, everybody else is just relieved Trump is gone but are dissatisfied with Biden. The folks in the second group will continue to try to drive the Democrats left, and the actual Leftists will continue to organize outside of government.

I’d actually tend to say the opposite: Trump is the moderate and he seems extreme because the establishment has become so extreme and Trump engages with it in such a belligerent manner.

Trump represents perhaps the last gasp of the traditional liberal dream of hard work leading to success, color blindness and complete acceptance with regard to ethnicity, race gender, or religion. He represents working hard to get money, but not dominance of big money and big business over the middle and lower classes. Trump represents diverse kinds of people being united by their shared sense of being Americans. Trump is the moderate, he and his supporters are the liberal idealists. He only attracts the support of reactionaries because all of the other people on the national stage are so much worse.

Biden and his allies, his bosses perhaps more accurately, are the ones literally starting a race war in the streets across American cities. They are the ones who want people to see themselves not as Americans but as some ethnic or sexual demographic which is at odds with other groups. They are the ones who want resources from the middle and lower classes funneled to the extremely wealthy, who in fact want a handful of massive multinational corporations to be able to completely control information, to censor all dissent, to force dissenters and their families into poverty, to completely control currency and prevent dissenters from working, buying, or selling. They are the ones who want unlimited free trade and immigration to make the entire world into scabs that eliminate any possibility of labor improving the conditions of workers. They are the imperialists who support endless war, who would kill millions of brown people to give America and the big businesses that control us hegemony over the world.

The left don’t like Biden because they objectively assess his merits and flaws to be better than Trump, they like Biden more because the Game Master decided they like Biden more, and they keep talking about the evils of the rich while the do everything and think everything that big businesses want them to do and think.

 

[mesonoxian]

That's what happens when you aren't a loser who expects politicians to fix everything in your life.

A lesson for you, comrade.

Anarchists are of course well known for trusting politicians to solve problems for them.

I'm not going to bother with most of your post, but I do find it amusing that your defense of Trump is "he can't be an incestuous racist, he's not poor and rural!" Champions of the white working class, here.

and in that 1500 times you never thought to ask your self if maybe your the baddy?

Or that maybe you should try and find a system that doesnt have the history of mass murder and faliure associated with it?


As for rudy I wish him the best he's got 99.7% odds of making it so he's got a solid chance.

I also hope Giuliani recovers. I don't think he's a good person, but he is a person and nobody should die by respiratory failure. That said, in his age group the odds are closer to 88%. Hopefully he'll remain asymptomatic.

As to your question, I don't know, maybe you could read those replies and find out. Of course, it doesn't matter. My moral authority is irrelevant. It isn't my conscience being appealed to, but yours. If you are fine with supporting Trump and what he is doing, then my purity is irrelevant. And no matter how bad I am, it won't make supporting him any better.

I think the fact you chose to insult me rather than deal with the cognitive dissonance of finding a moral defense for Trump says volumes.

I’d actually tend to say the opposite: Trump is the moderate and he seems extreme because the establishment has become so extreme and Trump engages with it in such a belligerent manner.

Trump represents perhaps the last gasp of the traditional liberal dream of hard work leading to success, color blindness and complete acceptance with regard to ethnicity, race gender, or religion. He represents working hard to get money, but not dominance of big money and big business over the middle and lower classes. Trump represents diverse kinds of people being united by their shared sense of being Americans. Trump is the moderate, he and his supporters are the liberal idealists. He only attracts the support of reactionaries because all of the other people on the national stage are so much worse.

Biden and his allies, his bosses perhaps more accurately, are the ones literally starting a race war in the streets across American cities. They are the ones who want people to see themselves not as Americans but as some ethnic or sexual demographic which is at odds with other groups. They are the ones who want resources from the middle and lower classes funneled to the extremely wealthy, who in fact want a handful of massive multinational corporations to be able to completely control information, to censor all dissent, to force dissenters and their families into poverty, to completely control currency and prevent dissenters from working, buying, or selling. They are the ones who want unlimited free trade and immigration to make the entire world into scabs that eliminate any possibility of labor improving the conditions of workers. They are the imperialists who support endless war, who would kill millions of brown people to give America and the big businesses that control us hegemony over the world.

The left don’t like Biden because they objectively assess his merits and flaws to be better than Trump, they like Biden more because the Game Master decided they like Biden more, and they keep talking about the evils of the rich while the do everything and think everything that big businesses want them to do and think.

Trump is the child of wealth who could have put his money in an index fund and been as successful. His is the son of a notorious racist who got rich redlining. He is the farthest thing from a hard work success story or colorblind.

The "race war" has been being fought against Black Americans for centuries. It isn't going to end if we just sit back and let it continue.

Mutinational corporations controlling information and the economy is bad, which is a good reason to break them up, nationalize them, or dissolve them. Immigration is not going to prevent anyone from improving labor conditions. It is people being trapped, unable to leave their circumstances that permits corporations to prey on them. Allowing unlimited accumulation of wealth and the impoverishing of the rest of the population will.

Supporting Trump does nothing to change this. He's a different label on a can of the same bullshit, but with a little more outward xenophobia and spite than earlier models. Trump is the axe body spray of politicians. He stinks as bad or worse than the alternative, but his convinced a bunch of sad people he's the answer to their insecurities.

 

[Megadeath]

and your in the party that founded said KKK in the first place.

...? Either you can read but you don't because you're lazy, or you can't because you're stupid. As I've said, I'm Australian. I'm not "in" any political party, and if you think I like the American democrats just because I despise Trump, you're a wonderful example of the ridiculous bipartisanship produced by the false dichotomy of an enforced two party system.

There's also a fairly meaningful difference between the historic roots of a racist group coming from the democrats, and those same racists actively endorsing a political candidate here and now. It's a particularly lazy and sad example of "what-aboutism" to pretend that the affiliations of the democrat party 150 years ago are somehow just as relevant as the affiliations of active and proud racist ultranationalists today.

Bruh, Trump has denounced racists dozens of dozens of time..

Cool, good for him. I didn't say he supported racists, I said racists support him. That's not even contestable; we can point to public support, from admitted white supremacists. I could argue the former, but honestly only have so much time and effort in a day.

Imagine being dumb enough to think that a New York city slicker like Trump lusts after his own daughter.

No, I think people see what they want to see.

You see a father complimenting his daughter's looks as "I lust after my daughter"

Imagine being so limited that you think sticking some kind of label on a person tells you everything about them. Or believing that a wealthy socialite could never have disturbing sexual predilections. *Cough-Epstein-cough*

So I see what I want to see because I dislike him, and I dislike him because of what I see?

Yeah, he wasn't just "complimenting his daughter's looks" he literally said he'd be dating her if she wasn't his daughter. And that's messed up. Would you compliment your mother's looks by saying you'd sleep with her if she wasn't your mom?

They see family kissing on the lips as some sort of sexual control.

And that speaks a lot more to their issues than anything else.

Is the legal effort failing? Last I heard they only brought 3 cases, had 1 dismissed because it was no longer relevant. A few were denied and they were taking those cases to higher courts. And as much as people seem to scoff at that, it's worth noting that Trump's "Muslim ban" was shot down by lower judges but upheld by SCOTUS.

So I don't see why either side is assuming they have this in the bag.

Yes, the legal effort to allege fraud is failing. Because it's barely even being made, isn't supported at all by Trump's own legal team, and has been repeatedly laughed out of court when others do try to make it.

As for the "only 3 cases" BS, what's the point of pretending that the other cases aren't relevant? Like, if someone other than Trump does manage to prove fraud, or win some other victory, will you still pretend it's not a win for him just because he wasn't directly involved? If those cases bought by other people alleging fraud and other issues, relying on the same pool of evidence and witnesses fail it's a loss for him, as surely as it would be a win for him if they could prove anything.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Cool, good for him. I didn't say he supported racists, I said racists support him. That's not even contestable; we can point to public support, from admitted white supremacists. I could argue the former, but honestly only have so much time and effort in a day.

So? Trump can't control who supports him.

 

[mesonoxian]

So? Trump can't control who supports him.

People generally don't give support without any reason. Something about Trump clearly appeals to them.

 

[Sailor.X]

People generally don't give support without any reason. Something about Trump clearly appeals to them.

You do realize Richard Spenser backed Biden right. So don't be so quick to use that argument.

 

[Terthna]

That's what happens when you aren't a loser who expects politicians to fix everything in your life.

A lesson for you, comrade.



You realize that when it comes to alliances of convenience, you're the ones who get dropped like a bag of hot shit, right?



Competent? When has anyone accused Joe Biden of being competent?



I doubt he's even racist.



I realize communists aren't educated enough to know the difference between things they don't like and fascism, but Trump has yet to support anything that is remotely fascist. Nor would he, given that he's a fucking New Yorker.



Trump was a massive political revolution for the right. Despite attempts by the left to play down his turnout, Trump proved his policies can endure the strongest criticisms that the media can throw at it.



Well, AOC has been pushing for those sorts of things.



He literally blackmailed a foreign country to fire a prosecutor to get his son off the hook for corruption. He is not less corrupt, he is very much more corrupt than Trump.



He literally admitted on national TV that he has the best election fraud team in the country. Biden was always a second rate politician who gaffed regularly before he lost his marbles.



This is naturally why big tech is out to get Biden, rather than carrying his entire election campaign. Hint; when major media platforms are literally trying to fact check you, they aren't your friends.



Biden and Harris have both supported far worse police policies than Trump ever has. With Biden supporting a bill that the black caucus in DC has been pissed about for decades and Harris literally keeping prisoners past their release date for literal slave labor.

But hey, from what I hear, it runs in her family.



Yes, Trump the Neo-Nazi, a political faction that hasn't held significant power since the Democrats last took it up the ass. No doubt that's why he scored high with black and hispanic voters.



Yeah, okay.

As entertaining as this is, I have no idea why you or anyone else even bothers trying to argue with someone like them; they're clearly delusional.

 

[Duke Nukem]

People generally don't give support without any reason. Something about Trump clearly appeals to them.

White supremacists only see Trump as a lesser evil and even then i've seen a lot of them say Trump is a " jewish shill".