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[Agent23]

Note that the US military doesn't use diesel fuel, they use JP-8 for everything, IE jet fuel.

Wasn't kerosene basically highly refined diesel?
Putting Kerosene In Your Diesel Engine or Tank

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

Naphta-kerosene.
naphta is the term we use for diesel, actually.
Anyways, here is an article explaining why diesel goes bad:

TBH it sounds like bacteria, mechanical stagnation and temperature are primary causes of the problems.
Wasn't the US strategic petroleum reserve deep in caverns in some salt flats?
A dry climate area and something that sucks out moisture from the surrounding space might work, so might positive pressure nitrogen getting pumped into the vessels part-way.
Does Diesel Fuel Go Bad? How Long Does It Last? (Facts vs. Myths)

 

[Marduk]

I'm not the one spinning quotes, you're making an absurd extrapolation by taking that sentence out of context, presuming an exact wording pedantic interpretation that contradicts their multi-paragraph conclusion where they boil it down, and claiming that the extreme outlier of that extreme interpretation is the norm. And I'm not sure about that outlier in the first place, all your other sources contradict it handily. Let's see what you posted.

But we are in fact trying to find out the outlier, the "best case scenario" where a government agency has big, generously equipped storage facilities with a quality control lab and all imaginable tools to make the fuel last a long time. We aren't trying to find an average between that and "some dude put some fuel in a barrel", which is what the 6-24 month figures apply to.

But hey, let's give you the same offer as Agent. Show me the massive barrel strategic reserve that has diesel in it instead of crude.

Oh but i already did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reserve_stock#United_States

Some examples of war reserve stock being used include:

• 1956-1962, Algerian War: France used NATO war reserve stock stored in Europe.[19]
• 1956: Suez Crisis: The United Kingdom and France used NATO war reserve stock for Operation Musketeer.[19]
• 1973, Yom Kippur War: The United States allowed Israel to use some of its war reserve stock.[19]
• 1982: Falklands War: The United Kingdom used its own and NATO war reserve fuel and ammunition stock.[19][20]
• 1990-1991, Operation Desert Shield and Gulf War: The Coalition of the Gulf War used NATO war reserve fuel and ammunition stock from Europe and Turkey.[19]
• 2006 Lebanon War: The United States allowed the Israeli Defense Forces to access these reserves.[21]
• 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict: The United States allowed the Israeli Defense Forces to resupply from its War Reserve Stockpile in Israel.[22]

How could they draw fuel from the war reserve stock if there is only crude oil in it?
Europe wise, this may also interest you:

NATO Pipeline System

NATO has a pipeline system designed to ensure that its requirements for petroleum products and their distribution can be met at all times.

www.nato.int

• The NATO Pipeline System (NPS) was set up during the Cold War to supply NATO forces with fuel and it continues to satisfy fuel requirements with the flexibility that today's security environment requires.
• The NPS consists of ten distinct storage and distribution systems for fuels and lubricants.
• In total, it is approximately 10,000 kilometres long, runs through 12 NATO countries and has a storage capacity of 4.1 million cubic metres.
• The NPS links together storage depots, military air bases, civil airports, pumping stations, truck and rail loading stations, refineries and entry/discharge points.
• Bulk distribution is carried out using facilities from the common-funded NATO Security Investment Programme.
• The networks are controlled by national organisations, with the exception of the Central Europe Pipeline System (CEPS), which is a multinational system managed by the CEPS Programme Office under the aegis of the NATO Support and Procurement Agency.

 

[Floridaman]

There is a world of difference between conditions in a tank and possible conditions in long term storage where it could be kept at a different temperature and mechanically stimulated so as to prevent sedimentation/deemulsification.Maybe it gets oxidized.
Since none of us are petroleum chemists I am sure that most of us are talking out of our asses, oil can persist for a long time in the ground but once extracted IIRC it does have a shelf life.
From what I recall the US petroleum reserve is pumped into some underground caverns that can probably maintain a temperature/pressure.Maybe the type of rock it is pumped into prevents it from undergoing some physical or chemical processes that "spoil" it as opposed to keeping it in a metal tank.
I kinda miss CrossoverManiac in such discussions, since he was in the oil industry.

The key issue with oil is circulation, and yes the petroleum reserve gets pumped into rock which can preserve oil indefinitely.

 

[bintananth]

Note that the US military doesn't use diesel fuel, they use JP-8 for everything, IE jet fuel.

Unless it's a staff car designed for regular unleaded gasoline. Feeding one of those JP-8 will break the car.

 

[Agent23]

Unless it's a staff car designed for regular unleaded gasoline. Feeding one of those JP-8 will break the car.

What do Humvees run on?

Probably diesel.

 

[bintananth]

What do Humvees run on?

Probably diesel.

Some of them have 5.7L gasoline engines.

 

[Agent23]

The key issue with oil is circulation, and yes the petroleum reserve gets pumped into rock which can preserve oil indefinitely.

Do you ensure circulation in some way in those caverns?

Some of them have 5.7L gasoline engines.

Yeah, I think that having different types of fuel used for different vehicles in an army is a bad idea.
Means you'd have to supply them separately.

Staff cars are to impress indiginies in colonies and hookers, not for real war.

Oy @LTR oops we did it again.No idea where this stuff should go, my guess is 'military logistics thread' or some such shit.

 

[Floridaman]

Do you ensure circulation in some way in those caverns?




Yeah, I think that having different types of fuel used for different vehicles in an army is a bad idea.
Means you'd have to supply them separately.

Staff cars are to impress indiginies in colonies and hookers, not for real war.

Oy @LTR oops we did it again.No idea where this stuff should go, my guess is 'military logistics thread' or some such shit.

The caverns are rather unusual, and they actually ensure the oil circulates naturally, this is why the US is one of very few countries that has them.

 

[Agent23]

Back on topic:

 

[Arch Dornan]

Farmers of the world unite?

 

[strunkenwhite]

Tractors? This is serious. We have seen what they are capable of in war.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Sri Lanka protesters break into President's House as thousands rally …

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Freefall.

 

[Agent23]

Tractors? This is serious. We have seen what they are capable of in war.

Since DebilZov love to spam crappy music it is time for me to retort with some actually good music.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Sri Lanka protesters break into President's House as thousands rally …

archived 9 Jul 2022 08:54:28 UTC

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Freefall.

Watch | Protestors swim in President Gotabaya Rajapaksa’s pool, enter kitchen after storming his official residence

The president was moved out of his residence on Friday, in anticipation of Saturday’s protests and his whereabouts are unknown. However, a viral video on social media shows a VIP motorcade at Colombo international airport where a SriLanka Airlines aircraft is parked

www.firstpost.com

They're unlikely to go to be confined for that unlike that man who put his foot on the desk.

 

[Sobek]

Sri Lanka might be the first domino

 

[Arch Dornan]

Sri Lanka might be the first domino

Come winter and we'll get more.

 

[Agent23]

Come winter and we'll get more.

I think that the UK will be the first domino, and the Netherlands will be the second.

 

[Arch Dornan]

I think that the UK will be the first domino, and the Netherlands will be the second.

Plenty of Europe's leaders are in the process of switching out party leaders aren't they?

 

[Arch Dornan]

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[Arch Dornan]