Dystopian Europe

Agent23

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No, he was born in Silesia a current part of Poland actually.
I was pretty sure he had something related to russia in his biography, turns out he was in some Russian regiment or some such shit.

Even then this is getting into derail territory.
Hey, it is one off topic comment on my end, and we are talking about what the dystopian shithole state of Yurup.

Only we are taking a broader historical view.

Which reminds me, most of the WEF is old european money/aristocracy.
 

DarthOne

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Yep.Dynasty of Romanow died then and there,becouse whoever child was Catherina son he was certainly bastard,not her husband - but,for unknown reasons,those german bastards are considered by everybody as Romanows.Strange.

I suggest you shut your damn mouth with your baseless accusations and slander towards the Romanov family.
 

DarthOne

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Nicolas never should have gotten Russia into world war one and botched the war with Japan.

The WW1 I can agree on. The Russo-Japanese War however was Japan’s fault. Or should we blame Poland for the time Hitler and Stalin invaded it?

Also you are changing the topic.
 

Cherico

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The WW1 I can agree on. The Russo-Japanese War however was Japan’s fault. Or should we blame Poland for the time Hitler and Stalin invaded it?

Also you are changing the topic.
I didn't say that war was Russias fault I said they botched it seriously read up on that war expecially Russias effort to send a fleet to the Pacific it's sad and pathetic
 

Agent23

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The WW1 I can agree on. The Russo-Japanese War however was Japan’s fault. Or should we blame Poland for the time Hitler and Stalin invaded it?

Also you are changing the topic.
Not completely, the Russians thought that Japan was just another backwards Asiatic power, and handled it accordingly, y sending diplomants from their Asian branch of the foreign ministry to deal with it, and there were a few rich, connected merchants with the top one called Bezobrazov funny enough, pushing for Russia to stick it's nose into Korea because they wanted the timber.

But ultimately it was Japan under US and British influence and with US and British support that started the war with a sneak attack.

As to the Romanovs, well their effectiveness died with Peter the Great.

After we got middling quality people at best and total, inbred buffoons at worst.Maybe 1-2 good rulers, Alexander II, being one person that had the right ideas, but sadly "got killed with the planned Russian constitution in his back pocket".

And had anyone compared the DNA of the tzars after Catherine with that of Michael I?
 
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ATP

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I suggest you shut your damn mouth with your baseless accusations and slander towards the Romanov family.
Catherine the great whore had son - but,since her husband never touched her,it was certainly not his son.
Which made him bastard,and all tsars from that moment was bastards,not Romanows.

Blame Catherine for being whore,not me for telling truth.

And russian-japaneese war started,becouse russians belived that they could take Korea for one of their merchants,and do not belived that "yellow monkeys" could fight them.
 

DarthOne

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Catherine the great whore had son - but,since her husband never touched her,it was certainly not his son.
Which made him bastard,and all tsars from that moment was bastards,not Romanows.

Blame Catherine for being whore,not me for telling truth.

And russian-japaneese war started,becouse russians belived that they could take Korea for one of their merchants,and do not belived that "yellow monkeys" could fight them.

All I get out of this is:

“Waaaaah! My ancestors sucked at diplomacy and war! Waaaah! I’m going to lie and cope about it on the internet! Waaaah!”
 

Agent23

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All I get out of this is:

“Waaaaah! My ancestors sucked at diplomacy and war! Waaaah! I’m going to lie and cope about it on the internet! Waaaah!”
Catherine the great did a lot of nasty shit.
Allegedly an "Enlightened" monarch, she fucked over the serfs and the Cossacks pretty hard.
She was also buddy buddy with many of the degenerate 'Blank Slate' idiots like Diderot.

She also embroiled Russia in several pointless wars, overdid the westernization, and took part in the partition of Poland when it would have been more advantageous to focus on the Black Sea as well as internal reforms and economic modernization.
 
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Cherico

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Catherine the great did a lot of nasty shit.
Allegedly an "Enlightened" monarch, she fucked over the serfs and the Cossacks pretty hard.
She was also buddy buddy with many of the degenerate 'Blank Slate' idiots like Diderot.

She also embroiled Russia in several pointless wars, overdid the westernization, and took part in the partition of Poland when it would have been more advantageous to focus on the Black Sea as well as internal reforms and economic modernization.

She spent too much time horsing around.
 

DarthOne

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'Hate speech' trial begins for Finnish lawmaker accused of posting bible verses on X

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'Hate speech' trial begins for Finnish lawmaker accused of posting bible verses on X



On Thursday, the trial of Finnish lawmaker Päivi Räsänen began for allegedly violating the country's "hate speech" laws when she publicly questioned her church's leadership on X for sponsoring a 2019 Pride event and included a picture of a Bible verse.
According to her law team at ADF International, after Räsänen posted the tweet that asked, "How does the doctrine of the church, #raamattu fit in with the fact that shame and sin are raised as a matter of pride?" she was subjected to over 13 hours of police interrogations over the course of several months.


Because of her religious beliefs on marriage and sexuality, Finland's former Prosecutor General brought three criminal hate speech charges against Räsänen. One for the Tweet in question, another for a 2019 radio interview she took part in on the topic, and one for a pamphlet about sexuality and marriage called "As Man and Woman He Created Them," she wrote for the church in 2004.

Lutheran Church Bishop Juhana Pohjola is facing charges alongside Räsänen for publishing the pamphlet at the time. Both were previously unanimously acquitted in 2022 by a Finnish District Court, but prosecutors appealed the decision.
"Everyone should be able to share their beliefs without fearing censorship by state authorities," Räsänen said outside the courtroom. "I know that the prosecution is trying to make an example of me to scare others into silence. Yet, you do not have to align with my views to agree that everyone should be able to speak freely. With God's help, I will remain steadfast and continue defending everyone's human right to free speech."

Executive Director of ADF International Paul Coleman said in a statement, "In a democratic society, everyone should be free to share their beliefs without fear of state prosecution." He continued, "Criminalizing speech through so-called 'hate-speech' laws shuts down important public debates and endangers democracy. Cases like Päivi's create a culture of fear and censorship and are becoming increasingly common worldwide. We hope the Helsinki Court of Appeal will uphold the fundamental right to freedom of speech and clear Päivi Räsänen of these baseless charges."

During the opening day of the trial, the prosecutor started with the 2004 pamphlet and said "The point isn't whether it is true or not but that this it's insulting." They also asked Räsänen to be fined for the tweet as well as for her and Pohjola to be fined for the pamphlet. They are asking the radio station which aired the interview to be removed.


Attempting to make their case, the prosecutor claimed this was not a case about theology but it is "Räsänen's interpretation and opinion about the Bible verses that are criminal." She argued that "We can limit freedom of expression in the outward expression of religion. You cannot favor religious speech over secular speech."
The defense argued that the prosecution misrepresented Räsänen's words. They said, "Paivi [Räsänen] has never said, as the prosecutor claimed, that people identifying as LGBT are not 'equal'. In fact, [she] has expressly stated the opposite - that ALL are equal."


The defense noted, "The pamphlet was indeed published almost 20 years ago, *before* the hate speech law - under which Päivi Räsänen & Bishop Pohjola have been charged - came into effect." They claim the prosecutor "cherry-picked" quotes from the document and took them out of context.


According to the Catholic News Agency, the two face up to two years in prison and tens of thousands of Euros in fines if found guilty of these charges.

Räsänen was re-elected to the Finnish parliament in April 2023 and has served there since 1995. From 2014 to 2015 she was the chair of the Christian Democrats and had responsibility for church affairs in Finland from 2011 and 2015 as the Minister of the Interior.
 

Agent23

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That’s propaganda that has as much truth to it as Napoleon only having one testicle* or being short.
True or not it is a funny one, and I think the origin with the legend is with the Poles.
And crazy, incompetent german waminz on powertrips have a big thing for horses, I mean look at Urusla von der Lezen.
* what is with the British and claiming that the enemy leader has only one ball? Seriously, they did that with Hitler too.
As AC/DC might attest to, they like big balls. :sneaky:
:ROFLMAO:
 

ATP

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All I get out of this is:

“Waaaaah! My ancestors sucked at diplomacy and war! Waaaah! I’m going to lie and cope about it on the internet! Waaaah!”
She was whore.And her son was bastard.Which mean,there was no Romanows after that.
But,my ancestors really sucked in diplomacy,agreed.
 

Agent23

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She was whore.And her son was bastard.Which mean,there was no Romanows after that.
But,my ancestors really sucked in diplomacy,agreed.
Letting a hereditary oligarchy usurp too much power and marginalized the king didn't help, either.
 
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ATP

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Letting a hereditary oligarchy usurp too much power and marginalized the king didn't help, either.
Well,in 1569 we try to create Republic run by gentry with King as kind of powerless President-for-life.
Which could worked - if our oligarchs do not take power.

That is why Catherine the whore could turn Poland into her puppet state.Our mistakes made that possible,not tsar powers - becouse,as long as we had army,we beat them rather easily.
 

Agent23

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Well,in 1569 we try to create Republic run by gentry with King as kind of powerless President-for-life.
Which could worked - if our oligarchs do not take power.
There is a fine distinction between a republic and a democracy.
Republics should have written constitutions that formalize the obligations and guarantee the rights of the citizenry.

Muh Democracy is just mob rule/covert oligarchic control writ large/with a nice label.
That is why Catherine the whore could turn Poland into her puppet state.Our mistakes made that possible,not tsar powers - becouse,as long as we had army,we beat them rather easily.
That and you being greedy and trying to gobble up lots of real estate populated by people that didn't really like you, like Hmelnitski.

And still, in some situations you need a strong executive, not a run by committee state.
 
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