Do you support Russia's or Ukraine's claim to Crimea and the Donbass?

[Agent23]

I'm sorry, if they wanted back why did they have to have Russian soldiers in vacation, and not just Russians but Russian Neo Nazi orgs, supporting said thing.


They could have always tried to peacefully break away.
Same with Crimea....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Crimean_sovereignty_referendum

I suppose 94% isn't enough of a majority?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions

Also, of you wanna go by that route, Alaska is Russian territory.

Sure, if it floats your boat I am game, why don't you get out of it, then, and while you are at it, move back to the original 13 colonies and request to be let into the British Commonwealth, return Louisiana to France and the rest of the land to Mexico and the various Indian tribes.

And Bulgaria is Turkish

You really don't get it, do you?

 

[Agent23]

Uh huh yeah. Horseshit. Ancient claims have no validity in the Modern Era. Only internationally recognized borders are what count.

You mean borders drawn by the USSR, often without a care about any form of self-determination?

 

[TheRejectionist]

I will be fucking straight (but probably many of you realized by now) I will support Russia out of spite against the cosmopolitan capilatists that poisoned my mother with the coof vaxx.

 

[Zachowon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Crimean_sovereignty_referendum

I suppose 94% isn't enough of a majority?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions



Sure, if it floats your boat I am game, why don't you get out of it, then, and while you are at it, move back to the original 13 colonies and request to be let into the British Commonwealth, return Louisiana to France and the rest of the land to Mexico and the various Indian tribes.



You really don't get it, do you?

No I do.
And in 91 it was still the Soviet Union....
Woerd....
Who would have thought?
Why didn't they go "Hey Russia, we want to be back?
Why were theybkot given back?

And they have to take Alaska from my cold dead hands Turk.....

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Uh huh yeah. Horseshit. Ancient claims have no validity in the Modern Era. Only internationally recognized borders are what count.

I would point out that most modern "internationally recognized borders" are ultimately based on some combination of "ancient claims" and "slightly less ancient conquests".

At the end of the day, all borders have been determined by conquest in some form. Even the modern belief in having a right to native self-determination ultimately rests on, "That means we generally do not view modern day conquests as legitimate, but we place a vague and ultimately arbitrary cutoff on this."

 

[Zachowon]

I will be fucking straight (but probably many of you realized by now) I will support Russia out of spite against the cosmopolitan capilatists that poisoned my mother with the coof vaxx.

Ahh okay.
You support the country that committed chemical attacks in UK.
Is probably going to cause a Chernobyl 2.0?

Poland is against Russia, and they didn't force Vax mandate.
Same with most of Eastenr Europe.
Why blame the west when your country relied on Russia, when your country has been corrupted for a lot longer then others.

Plenty of people against Russia are not those that freaked out about the coof.
You just hate the west because of select countries, not because of Russia being trad and based.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

You mean borders drawn by the USSR, often without a care about any form of self-determination?

Like either side are any better in this conflict. And in any case last I checked weren't you banned from Ukraine threads? And @WolfBear isn't this thread redundant?

 

[Agent23]

And they have to take Alaska from my cold dead hands Turk.....

Bring your own cloth sack, we need to put you in so as to not offend Great Tengri when our horses stomp you to death.

Like either side are any better in this conflict. And in any case last I checked weren't you banned from Ukraine threads?

I just have a 3 month ban on DumbAss IIRC, or permanent, don't really care though.
And there is no such thing as a topic level ban anyways.
TBH Russia is somewhat more economically free and slightly free-er and richer than Ukraine.

And @WolfBear isn't this thread redundant?

That is what I thought, too, but as you know WolfieBoy loves to start things because he likes the attention.

 

[Zachowon]

Bring your own cloth sack, we need to put you in so as to not offend Great Tengri when our horses stomp you to death.

I'm sorry, my country at least wasn't conqurwd by the Tirks at some point in its history

 

[Agent23]

I'm sorry, my country at least wasn't conqurwd by the Tirks at some point in its history

Tirks?
The fuck are those? Some weirdo slang for Byzantines or Ottomans?
Learn to spell already.

First off, calling me a Turk is kinda considered an insult around here, and since you are an alleged spy that allegedly works with serbs you might even know that.
Don't you know by now that using slurs and insults is basically you capitulating, shoeshinerhelmet-boy?
Also, it is kinda off-topic, but hey, I am not letting you off the hook for sniping.

Second, your country has been around for, what 200 to 250 years?

That is literally yesterday for any nation in Europe, and Asia, and parts of Africa.

 

[WolfBear]

No. But because of geopolitical reasons, the entire reason the Nazi's acquired the Sudetenland was appeasement so letting them keep it would send the wrong message and since the Czech government wasn't even invited to the discussion the entire legitimacy of it would always be in doubt.

I don't think expelling the Germans from the Sudetenland once the Czech government was established was a morally righteous move either, but I understand the decision given Hitler used the German dysphoria as a pretext to attack anything that moved in Europe.

In any case this is getting off topic.

Diaspora, not dysphoria.

Like either side are any better in this conflict. And in any case last I checked weren't you banned from Ukraine threads? And @WolfBear isn't this thread redundant?

I felt that this question would get much more replies if it had its own separate thread. I was right.

 

[Agent23]

I felt that this question would get much more replies if it had its own separate thread. I was right.

So, to quote one mod in another thread, you are farming for attention again?

 

[WolfBear]

So, to quote one mod in another thread, you are farming for attention again?

Well, I just want to hear people's views on this topic. It is a pretty big topic given that it's constantly in the world news in recent months.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Ahh okay.
You support the country that committed chemical attacks in UK.
Is probably going to cause a Chernobyl 2.0?

Poland is against Russia, and they didn't force Vax mandate.
Same with most of Eastenr Europe.
Why blame the west when your country relied on Russia, when your country has been corrupted for a lot longer then others.

Plenty of people against Russia are not those that freaked out about the coof.
You just hate the west because of select countries, not because of Russia being trad and based.

1. It hasn't been proven yet and considering that Conservatives in the UK have been Russophobic since the Great game it's not I consider them reliable. UK can get fucket
2. Far as I know, the ones are shelling is the Ukranians and the Russians are the one that are defending the NPP
3. Poland, while it has nice pussy and has kinda a friend of mine, is not my concern, if they want to go full Prometheism they can do if Italy and the Mediterranean countries are not involved.
4. My country relied on Russia because there was no problem before we had a puppet government.
5. I hate the West for having sold out workers rights to monopolistic cosmopolitan unproductive corporative vermin AND solding out common decency, tradition and culture to degenerate consumeristic predators and I am paying the consequences for decisions that were done BEFORE my birth.

If I had not the feeling suspicion I am likely on some gov watchlist for my past as an anti-Berlusconi protest I would have gladly helped Moscow to defeat the Ukraine or undermine their footsoldiers morale,supplies and logistics.

Well, I just want to hear people's views on this topic. It is a pretty big topic given that it's constantly in the world news in recent months.

Nowadays in Italy and I think the rest of Europe has lost fucks to give to Kiev and is more thinking of the consequences.

 

[Agent23]

1. It hasn't been proven yet and considering that Conservatives in the UK have been Russophobic since the Great game it's not I consider them reliable. UK can get fucket
2. Far as I know, the ones are shelling is the Ukranians and the Russians are the one that are defending the NPP
3. Poland, while it has nice pussy and has kinda a friend of mine, is not my concern, if they want to go full Prometheism they can do if Italy and the Mediterranean countries are not involved.
4. My country relied on Russia because there was no problem before we had a puppet government.
5. I hate the West for having sold out workers rights to monopolistic cosmopolitan unproductive corporative vermin AND solding out common decency, tradition and culture to degenerate consumeristic predators and I am paying the consequences for decisions that were done BEFORE my birth.

If I had not the feeling suspicion I am likely on some gov watchlist for my past as an anti-Berlusconi protest I would have gladly helped Moscow to defeat the Ukraine or undermine their footsoldiers morale,supplies and logistics.



Nowadays in Italy and I think the rest of Europe has lost fucks to give to Kiev and is more thinking of the consequences.

Personally I was in favor of a confederate-sryle government for Ukraine, with more local autonomy, including cultural autonomy.

The 1991 referendum should have been adhered to and Crimea should have been permitted to revert to independence or join Russia.

Also, Russia has both a legitimate cultural and historic claim to parts of the Frankenstein's monster called modern Ukraine.

Poland is in NATO and the EU, they have sufficient protection against Russia and frankly they should have built "peaceful" nuclear capacity long ago, IMHO, to sell power to the stupid karauts if nothing else.

I do not care if they want to play silly "Restore Joposhpolita" games along with the Balts against the Russians and the other successor states of the USSR, as long as I am left out of it and it does not impact Europe economically.

I am actually pissed because all this is basically giving the EU more power and is also deteriorating the Visegrad group.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Diaspora, not dysphoria.

Sue me.

 

[Zachowon]

1. It hasn't been proven yet and considering that Conservatives in the UK have been Russophobic since the Great game it's not I consider them reliable. UK can get fucket
2. Far as I know, the ones are shelling is the Ukranians and the Russians are the one that are defending the NPP
3. Poland, while it has nice pussy and has kinda a friend of mine, is not my concern, if they want to go full Prometheism they can do if Italy and the Mediterranean countries are not involved.
4. My country relied on Russia because there was no problem before we had a puppet government.
5. I hate the West for having sold out workers rights to monopolistic cosmopolitan unproductive corporative vermin AND solding out common decency, tradition and culture to degenerate consumeristic predators and I am paying the consequences for decisions that were done BEFORE my birth.

If I had not the feeling suspicion I am likely on some gov watchlist for my past as an anti-Berlusconi protest I would have gladly helped Moscow to defeat the Ukraine or undermine their footsoldiers morale,supplies and logistics.



Nowadays in Italy and I think the rest of Europe has lost fucks to give to Kiev and is more thinking of the consequences.

So question.
Anyone who is supporting Russia must be apart of the West?
Because Japan and South Korea are supporting the countries against Russia.
They arnt the west.
Poland is eastern Europe, they arnt the west.

What does supporting Russia get you besides humiliation at them failing to capture Kiev.
Failing horribly at being an actual military.
Caused soldiers to get sick by digging trenches in Chyrnoble.
Hiding equipment in a nuclear power plant.
Committing war crimes by mass raping and killing if people.
Let's Chechens (Muslims) be used as commisars.
Have legit Neo Nazi groups being the biggest fighters in the Wagner group.

 

[Agent23]

So question.
Anyone who is supporting Russia must be apart of the West?
Because Japan and South Korea are supporting the countries against Russia.
They arnt the west.

Western/Globohomo/NWO/Unipolarity sphere of influence/puppet.

Poland is eastern Europe, they arnt the west.

Yeah, no.Poles consider themselves western on cultural grounds and really want to be part of the West, with a few of the local halfbreeds I know pounding their chests at how they saved western civilization from the Ottoman yoke and how they are the most Western of all countries.

Once again, you are lecturing us Europeans when you have no idea of things like history and the specifics of what is going on here, in short, you and the other Murikhans are an obese elephant trouncing around a china shop.

What does supporting Russia get you besides humiliation at them failing to capture Kiev.

Shaping operation/diversion, also off topic, you can keep that to the existing threads.

Failing horribly at being an actual military.
Caused soldiers to get sick by digging trenches in Chyrnoble.
Hiding equipment in a nuclear power plant.
Committing war crimes by mass raping and killing if people.
Let's Chechens (Muslims) be used as commisars.
Have legit Neo Nazi groups being the biggest fighters in the Wagner group.

Lol, more Ghoset of Kiev level propaganda.

What Europe's support for Ukraine has gotten us is a huge refugee wave, massive spikes in energy prices, loss of business and a 10-15% fall in the value of the Euro, the depletion of our weapons inventories and a further spike in inflation and the EU meddling more in member states' internal affairs.

Also, learn to fucking spell already.