Do you feel having kids is important and is it something that you desire for yourself?
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ParadiseLost
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Yes. I believe that having kids is very important. If you have a coherent worldview - regardless of what that worldview is - having kids should be important to you.
In my experience, not wanting kids is evidence of a significantly warped view of reality.
In my experience, not wanting kids is evidence of a significantly warped view of reality.
dont forget the expense, were getting fucked side ways on prices on pretty much everything these days.
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
If you want to pass down your legacy, then having kids is a must.
If you just want the thrill of becoming a parent, ask yourself when that thrill of parenthood will end.
It all comes down to whether you can be capable of learning how to become a parent that gives you the motivation to have kids.
However, let’s say your family has a history of hereditary diseases. Do you think you’d want to have kids, knowing that they’ll end up inheriting the same disease that you and your own parents had? Additionally, if someone has a history of mental problems, that’s a legitimate reason to not have kids. If you can’t solve your own internal issues, then you can’t become a parent.
If you just want the thrill of becoming a parent, ask yourself when that thrill of parenthood will end.
It all comes down to whether you can be capable of learning how to become a parent that gives you the motivation to have kids.
However, let’s say your family has a history of hereditary diseases. Do you think you’d want to have kids, knowing that they’ll end up inheriting the same disease that you and your own parents had? Additionally, if someone has a history of mental problems, that’s a legitimate reason to not have kids. If you can’t solve your own internal issues, then you can’t become a parent.
A'lan mandragon
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I mean that is your choice but if you willingly choose to end your line then your opinion on the future is irrelevant. Because no one will defend said opinion,in my opinion nothing is more important than continuing your line. Failing to do so is inherently shitting on your father, grandfather and great grandfather's grave. Do as you please though just don't expect respect from people.
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
If your line is one where your father, grandfather and great grandfather were successful, then by all means continue.
Not to be really blunt, but depending on the individual in question, the question is, do they have the temperament to become parents? If so, then having kids would be the byproduct. Not everyone has the patience and temperament to become parents.
Given that my own father, grandfather and great-grandfather failed a lot in their lives, ending the line is like a mercy kill. I'd also approach this from the perspective of a family history of various genetic defects and diseases. For example, would I want to have kids that may inherit the family history of having asthma and other kinds of diseases that were passed down from each line in the family? And the money that would be spent on trying to stop that hereditary disease from happening would be huge, given the future medical bills that would be racked up.
It is a choice, but driven by preventing future problems from arising. As you said, it is irrelevant in the overall picture, but then again, I only focus on the hidden future problems that may arise from having kids and how to prevent them.
Not to be really blunt, but depending on the individual in question, the question is, do they have the temperament to become parents? If so, then having kids would be the byproduct. Not everyone has the patience and temperament to become parents.
Given that my own father, grandfather and great-grandfather failed a lot in their lives, ending the line is like a mercy kill. I'd also approach this from the perspective of a family history of various genetic defects and diseases. For example, would I want to have kids that may inherit the family history of having asthma and other kinds of diseases that were passed down from each line in the family? And the money that would be spent on trying to stop that hereditary disease from happening would be huge, given the future medical bills that would be racked up.
It is a choice, but driven by preventing future problems from arising. As you said, it is irrelevant in the overall picture, but then again, I only focus on the hidden future problems that may arise from having kids and how to prevent them.
I'm afraid were going to have to quite disagree on this subject.
Your line created yourself and as far as I'm concerned that was a positive outcome.
finding girls to have kids with is one thing. of course, everyone is in a different situation with that and some males have it alot easier than others...
but even for males that have things going for them, having kids in a western society means putting much of the wealth and assets you worked for on the line, should the girl you have kids with ever get "bored" at any period in time
DarthOne
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That too. Though there are ways around that or to make the risk smaller.
Of course actually getting into a relationship sort of precludes that. Carr before the horse and so on.
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
Alimony and child support payments come to mind. Also, your kids are going to be exposed to ideological indoctrination in schools these days as well, so that might also be risky when it comes to having and raising kids.
Yes. In the context of being married to a suitablr woman who will raise your children with you. As a Christian, I believe having children and raising them is one of the highest callings for all people.
It's not about "continuing your line", though. That's a very worldly, selfish way of looking at it. It's about honoring God and fulfilling the purpose he created you for.
If you had the choice, what would be the key characteristics of the ideal person for you to have kids with?
If that's your attitude, you probably shouldn't have kids anyways.
"Girls"? You should be looking for a woman. Not a girl. And you shouldn't have kids with a woman who has liable to get "bored" and leave you at any point.
It's not about "continuing your line", though. That's a very worldly, selfish way of looking at it. It's about honoring God and fulfilling the purpose he created you for.
If you had the choice, what would be the key characteristics of the ideal person for you to have kids with?
If that's your attitude, you probably shouldn't have kids anyways.
"Girls"? You should be looking for a woman. Not a girl. And you shouldn't have kids with a woman who has liable to get "bored" and leave you at any point.
it is exactly about continuing your genetic line. the fuck are you talking about brah
nah i'm getting with a girl still in her teenage years when i choose to have kids. i still have the looks to do it even as i age. the only reason i havn't done it yet is, to be frank, i've never been in a long term relationship and the way the laws are set up...just makes me take caution in the whole matter and it should. this is no joke, the government can and will fuck up a man's life on the whim of a female. and i am not going to be one of those arrogant men who says "it will never happen to me". that is me being humble
but to be honest, no girl has ever gotten bored of me. every girl i have ever been with has been fanatical about me, basically worshiped me.
but that doesn't change the fact that most men, are not me. i'm not bragging. i realize that genetically i've been lucky in life. but most men will never have females swoon over them...what are those mens' prospects of having a secure female partner with the laws as they are now? practically non-existent. and that is a problem for society
Poe
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You have no idea what "getting bored" even means and it's clear your idea of a relationship is fairly short term (less than years, likely <1). Being together, with anyone, for a decade+ while you eat, shit and sleep with them everyday is hard. Adding children and a career into the mix is 10x harder. It takes real work to keep relationships alive long term, no I'm not talking one so short it can still be driven by lust, and that's leaving aside a society that constantly incentivizes divorce.
That you think a teenage girl is somehow less likely to get bored tells me you not only misunderstand what the conversation about woman getting "bored" is really about, but also makes it seem like you've never seriously dated a teenage girl or an older woman. Teenage girls grow up into older women, and those women start to wonder if they committed too young. If they were knocked up by a dude 10+ years older than them when they committed, they start to resent him.
Yes you are attempting to humblebrag, on a scifi forum. This is almost as cringy as the guy in the Trump thread swearing to us he's actually filthy rich.
no, i have never dated a girl who wasn't a teen. and i don't plan to
and no teenage girl has ever gotten "bored" of me. more like fanatical about me and broken when i stopped seeing them. i'm not saying i'm a nice man.
and i just said in my post that i have never been in a long term relationship or anything even close to it. i understand that there will be difficulties to it.
i've been celibate for many years now. i sympathize with what other men are going through, and girls for that matter. i am not bragging. i just understand that i've been lucky in life in one way or another, and decided to comment on my experiences in a thread where people were talking about whether casual sex harms girls more than it does males - which it does. by a lot. mentally, anyways...physically in can be dangerous for men as well.
look, i'll be the first to admit that i probably should have had kids when i was a teen myself or in my early twenties. honest kids with an honest family, mind you. i've had plenty of opportunities to cuck other men. but i do not believe in that sort of conduct even if biology wanted it to happen
but have you ever had a girl look you dead in the eyes with a little grin on her face, and say "i'm 18"? if not, you ain't him
(age of consent is 16 where i am from by the way, but people are still minors until 18 and thus the parents - assuming the girl has parents particularly a father - have a say in the matter as they should)
but have you ever had a girl look you dead in the eyes with a little grin on her face, and say "i'm 18"? if not, you ain't him
(age of consent is 16 where i am from by the way, but people are still minors until 18 and thus the parents - assuming the girl has parents particularly a father - have a say in the matter as they should)
"Continuing your genetic line" is meaningless. You're still going to die, what does it matter that you "carried on your line"? What difference does it make once you're dead? What difference does it make in 100 billion years when the whole universe goes out in heat death?
The rest of what you've posted is clearly just a troll. 3/10, troll harder.
it makes every difference once i'm dead, because i will live on through my children and my children's children and so on and so forth, just like my great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather so on and so forth, is living on through me
eh the only reason i referenced my past experiences with girls is because other posters were debating casual sex on the male vs female mind. my experiences in these matters, have shown me that casual sex can completely fuck with the minds of girls, when the man they are literally addicted to, stops seeing them. and that's what it is: addiction. all girls are predisposed to become addicted to very desirable, dominant men. on the flip side, all men are predisposed to becoming addicted to fucking every suitably young enough girl in sight. both addictions...but they function differently