Jaenera Targaryen
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Yes; a forgotten dualistic religion from the Golden Age of which nothing is left aside from ruined temples and worn statues on backwater worlds like this one.
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Yes; a forgotten dualistic religion from the Golden Age of which nothing is left aside from ruined temples and worn statues on backwater worlds like this one.
Maybe.
And, @Jaenera Targaryen ,Asuryan could not smile on anybody,becouse Slaneesh eat him.
and,it is better for Federation legacy to fall into Tau hands,not IoM,becouse they would develop it,not pray like technocultists.
Mira is wrong about IoM fall being lesser,too - Eldar could create better civilization even with Slaanesh hunting them,whem IoM with Mechanicus is doomed for stagnation.
Jaenera Targaryen
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The Eldar don't actually expect their gods to answer their prayers, they just say them for a sense of comfort, not much different from most Humans and the Emperor, really.
That's debatable, and not just in the sense that the Imperium would strongly disagree. Remember that a lot of - if not all - high-end Golden Age tech is designed to be operated by or in tandem with AI. Except for that whole 'Cybernetic Revolt' thing, which might have been caused by Chaos or C'tan subversion.
At the very least, the Imperium is well aware of the dangers of rogue AI, and will respond accordingly (with lethal force). In fact, the Mechanicum canonically has a lot of STCs in quarantine on Mars, with the sole reason for not using them because they're vulnerable to Chaos or require AI to operate. In contrast, the Tau are like a bunch of stiffs walking into the Blue Oyster Bar, and might end up unleashing something better left forgotten in the Old Night.
Canon proves otherwise, following the return of the Avenging Son and the Master of Masters. Also, Eldar seers foresee it's impossible to defeat Chaos without the Imperium. As much as they'd prefer otherwise, Humanity and the Eldar's fates are tied together.
In contrast, the Tau don't figure at all. They're nobodies on the strategic scale as measured by the Great Powers of the galaxy, with even Shadowsun's greatest victories regarded as trivial losses by the Segmentum Solar Command. Something proven by the Imperial counterattack after Agrellan, which saw the Tau in full retreat after the Holy Requisitioner of Mars' arrival, and unable to stop the Imperium from going scorched earth on the whole sector.
1.OK
2.Really? then why Tau technology and AI work without Chaos eating them? the same goes for all human cyvilizations genocided by IoM,like Interrex.They innovate,and Chaos do not eat them.
3.Tau are nobodies,becouse they are small,just like Eldars.But,that would change with development of technology - even now Tau easily massacre IG,if they do not die they would do the same with Astartes and Skitari.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Not yet. Tau AI tech is incredibly primitive compared to that of Golden Age Human AI. Ollanius Pearson's flashbacks of the Golden Age and the Cybernetic Revolt describe Von Neumann swarms and system-sized robotic dragons capable of eating stars, and even describes the Horus Heresy as nothing compared to the horrors caused by Humanity's AI's turning against them.
Hell, between those star-eating dragons and the 'silver wyrm' that Ferrus killed on Medusa, the implication is that Golden Age Humans were actually speedrunning the Necron tech tree or its equivalent. And that may ultimately have been what caused the Cybernetic Revolt, as in it might have left them vulnerable to C'tan subversion.
If technology was all it took, the Necrons would have steamrolled the Ancient Eldar. Quite the opposite, actually. The Ynnari's adventures revealed that the Ancient Eldar didn't even have starships or plasma weapons or whatnot back during the War in Heaven. They were a medieval civilization that spread across the galaxy through Old One Webway portals, and fought the Necrons with simple swords and spears...
...and in each and every battle, the Ancient Eldar crushed the Necrons. There's a reason the Silent King decreed the Great Sleep. The Necrons couldn't defeat the Eldar, their only chance was to wait and allow the Eldar to inevitably fall to the weakness of flesh. And even in their current state, the Eldar are the only force in the galaxy capable of fighting the Necrons in a straight fight.
And even the Imperium's relatively-primitive understanding of psychic mechanics is capable of trumping Necron Clark-tech, as shown by Ephrael Stern being able to operate normally within the Pariah Nexus, something that shouldn't be possible. The Imperium isn't capable of replicating it en masse yet, but the new reformist faction of the Mechanicum led by Belisarius Cawl - aka the Master of Masters - is working on it.
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PsihoKekec
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Jaenera Targaryen
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Funny enough, Mira says so herself in the last chapter
That is, if the Eldar's greatness elevates them above every other species in the galaxy, then so do their failures cast them down lower than any other species.
1.IoM is not humanity,but slavery.And blueberry commies here are still more human then them.
2.And they still could start develop their technology,if they wonted to.When for IoM,thanks to techno cultists,it is not longer possible.
They still do not have Mechanicus,which mean,that they have chance.IoM lost that chance when Emprah sit on golden toilet.Funny enough, Mira says so herself in the last chapter
That is, if the Eldar's greatness elevates them above every other species in the galaxy, then so do their failures cast them down lower than any other species.
Besides,it is only tabletop wargame.All explanations used by you to defend this or those idiots were made ONLY to explain why dudes with lasers still could win in melee.
Of course,that it sucks.If Tolkien tried to build his world on tabletop game,it would sucked,too.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Sometimes you just have to embrace the suck when the alternative is worse. The Imperium or extinction. I'll gladly pick the Imperium.
Hell, no. Not even close. Those fish-faced, blue-skinned, alien freaks are not Human in any way.
Belisarius Cawl says otherwise.
Again, Belisarius Cawl says otherwise, and his influence grows with every passing year.
He might be getting off soon, and Robby G is working on it as well. And even then, the old man can still give orders via the Custodes, like appointing Robby G Regent of Terra, and sanctioning the subsequent purges of the dead wood in the Imperium, finally allowing for the beginnings of reformation.
1.Then embrace orks or Necrons,some of their leaders do not treat humans worst then IoM.
2.If they are freaks,then who are IoM slavers? Tau at least feed their serfs well.
3.And how long he could do so before other cultists kill him? reformist could not win with living Emprah,papa Smurf could not be better.
4.In Emprah times there was reformists,too.
5.First - Girlyman have less power then Emprah,second - Emprah was idiot who go on Crusade under banner "burn churches,pray to computers" - and,as a result,most developed civilization died fighting him.
I would do the same,if somebody order me to burn church and stop scientific progress becouse technocultists must prey to computers,i would go down fighting,too.
Besides,it is still tabletop Game owned by GW.They plan to do with WH40 the same they did with WF - fall to Chaos.
If you forget,Emprah arleady is on merry way to become Chaos god of order.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Good for them. Wait until the Imperium gets there. Traitors get what they deserve: a mass grave.
Better Human hell than alien paradise.
They tried. Robby G, the Assassin Grand Master, and the Captain-General saw it coming. The ringleaders got killed, and a second wave of purges began. These days, anyone has a problem with the new reforms, they either shut up or get shot.
The Emperor was willing to play softball at the time. Not this time.
The Emperor was the leader that Humanity needed, even if they didn't want him. The only guy with a remotely-viable plan to save the galaxy. Those so-called developed civilizations? None of them would have the capability to stop the Beasts, the Rangdan, and of course, Chaos. Without the Great Crusade, the galaxy would be a different place, but hardly better. Just galaxy-wide frontlines where Beasts and Rangdan tear each other to pieces, and festering wounds in reality where Chaos bleeds madness.
Good for you.
"GW sucks" does a good argument make.
PsihoKekec
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I just want to say that I found it really funny to watch ATP of all people simping for xeno communists, because Imperium does not 100% align with his political views
IoM betrayed them first,when they abadonned their territory.Or,if they never belong to IoM,they could not be traitors.
What paradise? Tau simply gave enough food to live.And,if we must live in hell,that it is better to have aliens making it,not humans.
And who would made such reforms? people who entire life punished others for thinking? you must kill entire Inquisition,Mechanicum and Ecclesiarchy first - but,who would replace them?
Emprah was idiot going on conqest with "burn churches,pray to computers " motto.
Which mean,he is still idiot - but now becoming Chaos god of order.
IoM gave Chaos tools to become powerfull - they gave them 9 Astarte Legions and part of Mechanicum.
And,assuming that you are right,did they really must genocide anybody thinking ?
Good for anybody with working brain.You do not follow madmans who burn churches to replace science with cultists.Becouse they are not only evil,but stupid,too.
There is only one IoM - made by GW,to explain why dudes with lasers fight in melee.That is why it must suck.
Do not consider tabletop game as sometching worth fighting for.It is not LOTR.
My uneducated friend,i do not simp for anybody.I simply laugh at tabletop game which try to explain why fighting in melee is good thing with working lasers.I just want to say that I found it really funny to watch ATP of all people simping for xeno communists, because Imperium does not 100% align with his political views
WH 40 failed,becouse they must fail,and everybody there must be idiot to keep fighting in melee with modern weapons.
Tau would win every battle without titans if it was real life,not game
And no,if they keep feeding population well,that means that they are no commies.
Becouse commies ALWAYS starved people,just like IoM.Which is named as space soviets becouse of it....
Jaenera Targaryen
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Indeed,fellow kitten.
And,stop react to silly tabletop game as if it was important.Even when GW finally turn Emprah in chaos god,it would change notching.
Sadly,i forget that i could not be kitten.Becouse he had Shadowsun as girlfriend,and hate Tau becouse she dumped him.
So,maybe puppy?
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P.S do not tell me,that Shadowsun dumped you,too.Tau are really horrible....
PsihoKekec
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This is ATP he is everywhere, as we are the only board that hasn't banned his schizo ass
It's hilarious in political section where some people treat him as veritable genius, because his rants overlap with their beliefs. My eyes usually just glaze over at his posts, but sometimes I do partake in interaction with his gibbering madness. Got a relative who is just like him, so I sympathise with whoever has to deal with him IRL.
It's hilarious in political section where some people treat him as veritable genius, because his rants overlap with their beliefs. My eyes usually just glaze over at his posts, but sometimes I do partake in interaction with his gibbering madness. Got a relative who is just like him, so I sympathise with whoever has to deal with him IRL.
I love WH40 - as grimdark story when everybody fight in melee and must suffer.I have problems with people,who belive that IoM,or anybody there,is either good or sane.
Becouse we love it becouse it is insane and unlogical.
Yep,SB and SV banned me becouse i am schizo.Keep beliving it,maybe you buy Moon from me later.This is ATP he is everywhere, as we are the only board that hasn't banned his schizo ass
It's hilarious in political section where some people treat him as veritable genius, because his rants overlap with their beliefs. My eyes usually just glaze over at his posts, but sometimes I do partake in interaction with his gibbering madness. Got a relative who is just like him, so I sympathise with whoever has to deal with him IRL.
And, i love your rants,so please continue that.You are funny ,do not change and start thinking !
P.S who treat me like genius here? i want to knew !
Simonbob
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Look, in the more political threads, or even history and the like, I find you interesting.
Sometimes you say things that get me to think about the subject in different ways, or you bring up a point in a way I haven't seen before. That's fine, in those sorts of places.
But, in 40k threads? You never stop with your opinion about it, and it's not one anybody else agrees with. If you just posted it once or twice, I wouldn't have an issue. But you just want to fight about it, and I can't enjoy the story if half the thread is that argument.
I don't want to block you. You're not a bad guy, and in other places, I don't mind you. But, in 40k threads you're unbearable after a while.