Commie Propaganda.

CarlManvers2019 said:
If the golden goose can lay golden eggs to begin with, it can be made to lay as many golden eggs as people want

Also, paying the Kulaks?

Don't see this with a way that involves sense and reason that explains they NEED the money to continue operations and livelihoods

Look at it with emotion, obviously the Kulaks only got angry and burned it because they weren't getting paid money. Money is for greedy people. The Kulaks don't need MORE money because they're Bourgeoise and they're exploiting workers & people who need their product just by existing.
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And that is why they started a famine if they don't understand how society works.
 
Random Username said:
And that is why they started a famine if they don't understand how society works.
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They may not understand society, but they can understand the following: Romanticism, "Rebellion"-Based-Resentment & a desire for Philosopher Kings who can fix everything

Simply put there are things Capitalism can't do and people can't believe that hard work will get them what they want/need

And seeing somebody do way better across the street is more than enough of a reason to get an axe and take their stuff, they obviously are both scum in some way of somehow having gained said wealth and scum by not sharing it with them
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
They may not understand society, but they can understand the following: Romanticism, "Rebellion"-Based-Resentment & a desire for Philosopher Kings who can fix everything

Simply put there are things Capitalism can't do and people can't believe that hard work will get them what they want/need

And seeing somebody do way better across the street is more than enough of a reason to get an axe and take their stuff, they obviously are both scum in some way of somehow having gained said wealth and scum by not sharing it with them
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And in doing so cause considerable damage to their economy.
 
Random Username said:
And in doing so cause considerable damage to their economy.
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Large numbers of individuals can't be trusted with freedom. They can't even trust each other with freedom because they know that with it, you may eventually find people who gain strength and wealth and they may use it to be over you.

Trusting "philosopher kings" or a government is the only way in their minds

Voting is a gateway to a dream
 
Random Username said:
And that is why they started a famine if they don't understand how society works.
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Have you ever met a real actual dye in the wool communist/socilalist?

Their some of the biggest assholes you will ever meet in real life, I know this because I had to work with them and deal with them. Yes the famines are in part caused by misunderstanding but don't underestimate how much of it of the bad results are caused by the true belivers sadism.
 
Cherico said:
Have you ever met a real actual dye in the wool communist/socilalist?

Their some of the biggest assholes you will ever meet in real life, I know this because I had to work with them and deal with them. Yes the famines are in part caused by misunderstanding but don't underestimate how much of it of the bad results are caused by the true belivers sadism.
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No I haven't and wouldn't be able to believe in what drives someone to drag everyone in a city to be forced into becoming farmers and kill all the intellectuals unless it's for the ego trip.
 
Cherico said:
Have you ever met a real actual dye in the wool communist/socilalist?

Their some of the biggest assholes you will ever meet in real life, I know this because I had to work with them and deal with them. Yes the famines are in part caused by misunderstanding but don't underestimate how much of it of the bad results are caused by the true belivers sadism.
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So you mean that they’re a bunch of steps way more dangerous than the usual ANTIFA or SJW types?
 
Cherico said:
this right here? This is one of the biggest problems I have with socialists.

They never learn from the past, heres the thing if you want to do social experiments to create a better world the key part of that is learning from your failures. You find out what works and keep that you find out what fails and dump that. Learning from your mistakes is the foundation of success for anyone.
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I'll admit to being ignorant about a great deal in regards to socialism, but it seems to me that there could be something salvageable there, if only the adherents could admit its many, many faults, and work to address them. It shouldn't be that difficult to stop doing the same thing over and over again, in the delusional hope that maybe this will be the time that it'll work out.

I've heard it said, for example, that socialism only works on the small scale. Okay then; if that's the case, why don't socialists focus squarely on the small scale? Stop trying to ruin entire countries, and try to better their local communities.
 
Terthna said:
I've heard it said, for example, that socialism only works on the small scale. Okay then; if that's the case, why don't socialists focus squarely on the small scale? Stop trying to ruin entire countries, and try to better their local communities.
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Because they're dreaming big

You can't dream big simply at local communities
 
Terthna said:
I've heard it said, for example, that socialism only works on the small scale. Okay then; if that's the case, why don't socialists focus squarely on the small scale? Stop trying to ruin entire countries, and try to better their local communities.
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If you see someone who claims to be a socialist, and is actually working in or with local charity groups on their own dime and time, that's the kind of idealist socialist who is actually trying to improve things. The thing is, that kind of person is too busy actually trying to help, to be the leader of a Movement.

The ones who are professional activists or politicians trying to change the entire nation at once? For them, it's almost exclusively actually about power, being able to blame other people for everything wrong in the world, or both.

Legitimate good intentions, a functional level IQ, and being invested full-time in political pursuits, cannot result in sustained belief in socialism. Sooner or later you'll run into someone outside of the socialist echo-chamber, and at that point, if you're acting out of genuine benevolence, you will rapidly discover the fundamental flaws of socialism. And yes, due to law of large numbers I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but none amongst people who actually regularly try to engage in political debate with people on the other side of the spectrum.
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
That's blamed on State Capitalism now I think
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State capitalism is socialism. Corporations are public and privately owned. State capitalism would be the state controlling it and therefore it's not public and privately owned.

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The video I posted actually goes into it. I can't remember when exactly it came up but it's somewhere between the three and four hour mark. I think. I was listening to it while playing Bannerlord.
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Say what’s wrong with Democratic Socialism in comparison to Socialism
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'Democratic' Socialism is just voting yourself into Socialism. It has the upside that if your people snap out of it soon enough, you can back out of it. It has the downside that if you don't, congratulations on turning into just another socialist hellhole.
 
LordsFire said:
'Democratic' Socialism is just voting yourself into Socialism. It has the upside that if your people snap out of it soon enough, you can back out of it. It has the downside that if you don't, congratulations on turning into just another socialist hellhole.
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So, nothing to do with "working with private businesses" in a planned economy?
 
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