China China's Social Credit Score... Coming in 2020... or 2021

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Though recent reports have shown it might be delayed back to even 2021, China's nationwide rollout of the Social Credit system does seem like an inevitability.

A few days ago, the YouTube channel Real Life Lore uploaded a video covering the subject in an infotainingly manner.



He based his video off of the numerous local and regional pilot programs for social credit scoring that have taken place so far over the past several years and while I've read articles about it earlier, seeing it all distilled In a short whimsical video made for good watching.

So what do y'all think about the Social Credit Score and how soon it'll come to America... and in what form?

OR HAS IT ALREADY?
 
Though recent reports have shown it might be delayed back to even 2021, China's nationwide rollout of the Social Credit system does seem like an inevitability.

A few days ago, the YouTube channel Real Life Lore uploaded a video covering the subject in an infotainingly manner.



He based his video off of the numerous local and regional pilot programs for social credit scoring that have taken place so far over the past several years and while I've read articles about it earlier, seeing it all distilled In a short whimsical video made for good watching.

So what do y'all think about the Social Credit Score and how soon it'll come to America... and in what form?

OR HAS IT ALREADY?

While the system is frightening, the one good thing about China is the system won’t work. There is a reason we say things don’t work because they are made in China.
 
The issue with this system is reporting. The video talks about giving people +s for picking up trash, taking care of family, volunteering, and so on. I can see monitoring the internet, government records, and payment records, but everything else is near impossible to track. Even if it is tracked people will abuse the system. There is talk of making it like a game, every game has bugs and exploits. There is soon going to be an underground system of getting people more +s and using VPNs for internet. Then there are going to be scandals of people abusing the system, scandals of top level people and families getting bonus social credit for no reason. Then imagine all the mistakes that need to be addressed.

People will start to deal with fake faces as well. I can see a large underground market for silicon masks/fake accounts. Fake volunteer work. Pay $100, and get credit for volunteering, but it would be like no work or no show jobs. Just like how prohibition created an underground market for alcohol, social credit score will create an underground market of likes. In addition long term impacts will negatively impact innovation. There is a reason why America is a technological leader in the world despite China spending all they can and doing everything they can to get an edge. Investing into this, take energy from other projects, it isn't a clear exchange, but putting all this energy into things like this drags society and progress down as a whole.
 
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I think this tracking would be hell even on China’s bureacracy and computer guys
I think that is the easiest issue to solve for this type of system. Even dealing with complaints comes down to a question or manpower and the process to dealing with them. It isn't so much the infrastructure of determining and presenting a score, but rather information sources. Let's take volunteer work for example. Here in the US there are a lot of small groups that do things like church groups, social groups, youth clubs, that all do stuff that help out the community. The problem is tracking that. Now let's say you require people to approve hours get reviewed and okayed by the government. That will instantly crush a lot of groups and people will say, 'Oh, you want to help out the elderly? Are you a certified volunteer social credit approver? No, well then that is pointless.'

What if I make a program that opens up China's government websites and scrolls through them while I go outside and do something else? Will I auto accumulate a good rating for reading government websites? Literally there will be underground groups that will trade flash drives with 'social score improver systems'. Like making every other post on your social media page about how great China is. No one will take it seriously and there will become inside jokes. Like, 'China's government is full of vigor and youth, creating a model for the future that inspires me so much.' I can see this statement being posted for extra points all the time. It will become like Whinny the Poo, a joke but how can a government ban things that praise it.

I mean if I was in China, I would try to come up with the most bullshit over the top praise of the government. 'The esteemed leadership of this magnificent party that leads this glorious nation continues to inspire me on a daily basis. I was watering my plants when I thought about how the government water the people, nourishing them like a wise and kind grandfather. The sunlight my plants receive are like the inspiring message the esteemed party delivers to me daily. For without their nourishment I would be lost and corrupted by useless thoughts that aren't about how wonderful the esteemed party is. Like plants, we are stronger together. A lone tree is easily struck by lightening and destroyed while a forest remains eternal.' I came up with this at the speed I could write and could easily go on for pages, complete nonsense but do I get points? I want some social points. Multiply this by a the millions of people in China doing this every day. I can see the system being divided into 3 tiers, people who try and bullshit a lot, people who don't care, and people who are manually dinged by the government.

Even if they keep the scoring system a secret, it will have to be done by computer with manual overrides. Anything done by a computer program will be exploited. I believe the programming term is Garbage In, Garbage Out. Sorry, I wrote so much, but this idea is so stupid that I can't help myself from just pointing and laughing.
 
@PeliusAnar
That reminds me, I don’t think China has much in the way of Welfare Programs, just an extremely planned economy alongside indoctrination of inhabitants

This will essentially be a sort of substitute, people will be competing to get the best path to free-r and cheaper stuff or other services
 
@PeliusAnar
That reminds me, I don’t think China has much in the way of Welfare Programs, just an extremely planned economy alongside indoctrination of inhabitants

This will essentially be a sort of substitute, people will be competing to get the best path to free-r and cheaper stuff or other services
I agree. At least with something like a credit score, it is about monetary transactions. There isn't any subjectivity or a way to exploit the system. With social credit, people are going to exploit the heck out of it. Just take a look at things on forums that track likes. If I post a fanfic about Worm and something else that is written well I will get more likes than posting and replying about things happening in politics. Normally people would post what they like to post. With social credit scores, China is going to get inundated with garbage that sounds nice but has no substance.

As for being a substitute for welfare, I thought it was more like punishment for people who don't comply with the government. Honestly it would have been far better to just have a naughty list that is manually curated, like the enhanced screening list we have here in the US. By trying to promote social behavior, it is just going to be abused to heck by people exploiting points.
 
As for being a substitute for welfare, I thought it was more like punishment for people who don't comply with the government. Honestly it would have been far better to just have a naughty list that is manually curated, like the enhanced screening list we have here in the US. By trying to promote social behavior, it is just going to be abused to heck by people exploiting points.

The thing about Totalitarian Governments is that they aren’t supposed to maintain power just through threat of violence

They need to apply the principle of the Carrot and the Stick

If it’s just the Stick, you make them bitter and not really so eager to suck up to you

You need Bread & Circuses as well, they won’t care where the money and resources to make it came from, or even if it’s really filling. They will take it over risks and nothing.

The last is having Scapegoats as a distraction, even that can only last so long
 

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