BLM as Counter Revolutionary
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ShieldWife
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That is absolutely true, the same with Antifa. Both Antifa and BLM have the support of the establishment, implicitly if not explicitly. They terrorize people, inflict violence, attack dissenters, and are protected by the police and legal system while their victims who fight back are targeted for prosecution above and beyond the full power of the law.
I haven't watched your linked videos yet, they might say some of the same things, likely in much greater detail.
I haven't watched your linked videos yet, they might say some of the same things, likely in much greater detail.
Yinko
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I have serious doubts about arguments which are couched in the premise of "elites" pulling the strings in order to manipulate the masses.
I do realize that groups like the Kock brothers did pull a lot of strings, but I seriously doubt that it was due to some sort of grand master plan, where they induct Jeff Bezos into their conspiracy and play everyone for fools.
I even agree that there is a lot of corruption in the government, but it's corruption for corruptions sake, not for some unified goal.
I do realize that groups like the Kock brothers did pull a lot of strings, but I seriously doubt that it was due to some sort of grand master plan, where they induct Jeff Bezos into their conspiracy and play everyone for fools.
I even agree that there is a lot of corruption in the government, but it's corruption for corruptions sake, not for some unified goal.
Certified_Heterosexual
The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
I understand your point, but to my way of thinking, it's almost irrelevant because there is no boundary between conspiracy and non-conspiracy. If the social/economic/cultural incentives that lead our elites to act in certain ways, to the point where they exhibit these "flocking" behaviors independently from each other, to such an extent that from the outside it seems to be a conspiracy, then in a practical sense they might as well be conspiring.
Not that I'm categorically opposed to the idea of conspiracies. In this I follow the principle that powerful people will do whatever they must in order to conserve their power—if that requires acting in secret, they'll do it.
But Antifa are without a doubt the dupes and pawns of the elite: a domestic terror street army with plausible deniability. Whether the elite class explicitly thinks of them in those terms is beside the point, really—they are demonstrably used that way, whether it's a coordinated conspiracy or just another example of "incentive flocking."
LifeisTiresome
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A lefty of old outright said that the left needs to take control of the institutions such as Academia and look at what has happened? They pretty much control them all.
Also, a non-BLM video but it talks about how elites in form of corporations fund conservative parties and thus make said parties basically worthless in everything:
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To put on my orthodox Marxist hat, you could argue that Idpol and race politics serves to one-divide the working and middle classes, secondly to confuse and misdirect the youth, and thirdly-it serves to provide a ruling class ideology that keeps the working classes under foot.
BLM and Antifa serve to destroy smaller businesses thus ensuring the hegemony of big business, company seminars on whiteness and systematic racism serve to divide and cause strife amongst employees etc...
The way in which current politics serves the ruling classes are quite obvious.
BLM/Antifa thus might be seen as an ideology of the upper middle classes and those grasping to get into the ruling class. And as a battering ram against working class solidarity and class politics.
BLM and Antifa serve to destroy smaller businesses thus ensuring the hegemony of big business, company seminars on whiteness and systematic racism serve to divide and cause strife amongst employees etc...
The way in which current politics serves the ruling classes are quite obvious.
BLM/Antifa thus might be seen as an ideology of the upper middle classes and those grasping to get into the ruling class. And as a battering ram against working class solidarity and class politics.
Thus video ones argument about how describing BLM as a Marxist is partially correct, and that there is some cold war history of Marxists pushing black nationalists to stir up a "war of liberation," it doesnt really describe the role their playing now: the movement is obviously used as a tool of the leftist domestic elite, who aren't classical marxists, and while I'm sure china is doing something in all this, it's not primarily a foreign agitprop either.
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The race question in the US was always difficult for Marxists to address. Some argued for a Black Country to be formed in the Deep South or upper Midwest. The Soviets had a plan for such in the thirties.
Unlike Europe with its class divides but ethnic homogeneity(within countries) the US had higher social mobility but long standing racial divides.
IIRC Marx thought that the south would be settled by European immigrants or something. And eventually the whole collapse of capitalism would come from that. Alongside a radicalized freedmen population.
In the forties and fifties communists supported the civil rights movement perhaps believing integration would lead to a larger amount of class consciousness or something. By the sixties and seventies with the rise of the new left and the emergence of IDPOL classical Marxism with its dream of interracial solidarity on a class basis was no longer seriously believed by most of the left. It isn’t believed now. Except for a few Trotskyite sects.
Idpol is something upheld by professors, lawyers, and professional grifters. It’s not something the working class believes by and large.
(by this I mean your standard anti white racial animus politics).
Now BLM gets corporate donations and is despite being an avowed Marxist organization, has millions of dollars in corporate support. Which says something about the role of it, and Antifa-a movement of upper middle class deracinated white kids and their professors in the current political economy.
Unlike Europe with its class divides but ethnic homogeneity(within countries) the US had higher social mobility but long standing racial divides.
IIRC Marx thought that the south would be settled by European immigrants or something. And eventually the whole collapse of capitalism would come from that. Alongside a radicalized freedmen population.
In the forties and fifties communists supported the civil rights movement perhaps believing integration would lead to a larger amount of class consciousness or something. By the sixties and seventies with the rise of the new left and the emergence of IDPOL classical Marxism with its dream of interracial solidarity on a class basis was no longer seriously believed by most of the left. It isn’t believed now. Except for a few Trotskyite sects.
Idpol is something upheld by professors, lawyers, and professional grifters. It’s not something the working class believes by and large.
(by this I mean your standard anti white racial animus politics).
Now BLM gets corporate donations and is despite being an avowed Marxist organization, has millions of dollars in corporate support. Which says something about the role of it, and Antifa-a movement of upper middle class deracinated white kids and their professors in the current political economy.
CarlManvers2019
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I don’t think they’re ready to barge into the homes and territories of all their wealthy benefactors just yet
Sure they may attack those politicians and government buildings that have guys that all support em and prevent action against them
And they’ve neared the neighborhoods of not just the politicians but the rich celebrities and businessmen
But the coordinated attack’s not occurring just yet
It will probably just be a bunch of looters who’ll be pissed by the sudden walls and presence of private security
What’s gonna go wrong is if say, Michael Moore’s private security actually shoots back and it happens enough times that even CNN ends up admitting it occurred but tries portraying it differently
gral
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I can't agree enough with this. Remember that 1% nonsense, a few years ago? Very few people noticed that its biggest supporters were among the 17-19% of the population just below them. It's the same thing with BLM protests being chock-full of upper middle-class white brats.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
Funny thing is it's amazing how most of these guys are whining about a game they haven't even played or at the very least played it so very VERY stupid. Given the fact that most of these guys already have a head start being born into wealth, had they even done just an incling of research and/or had even a little bit of street smarts, they might have already been in the upper 10 or even 1%