ASB wants you to make a better space race.

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
Banned - War College
Banned - Alternate History
Let us say that ROB has decided to introduce you. his favorite chewing toy, to his good friend ASB.

ASB is in the mood for some light entertainment, and decides to task you with altering history so as to make the space race more effective and impactful.
This can also include a 3 way space race and/or more commercial space exploration.

You can alter the timeline whichever way you prefer however:

1. You are not going to be able to alter the laws of physics.
2. You are not supposed to alter the Earth's geography or the makeup of the Solar system, but if there is a fun enough way you can get humanity into space, then that might be overlooked.
3. It is preferable that any PODs start in and around the 1940s.
4. it would be preferable to limit time travel and ISOTs to a minimum.
 
Let us say that ROB has decided to introduce you. his favorite chewing toy, to his good friend ASB.

ASB is in the mood for some light entertainment, and decides to task you with altering history so as to make the space race more effective and impactful.
This can also include a 3 way space race and/or more commercial space exploration.

You can alter the timeline whichever way you prefer however:

1. You are not going to be able to alter the laws of physics.
2. You are not supposed to alter the Earth's geography or the makeup of the Solar system, but if there is a fun enough way you can get humanity into space, then that might be overlooked.
3. It is preferable that any PODs start in and around the 1940s.
4. it would be preferable to limit time travel and ISOTs to a minimum.
After 1940? :
1.smart Hitler with real german UFO.
Not space race per se,becouse germans would take everything.

2.Smart Truman nuking soviets in 1946 after they faked referendum in Poland,later go for space using first Orion method,later captured german UFO.
Against,not race,becouse USA take it all.
 
No magical tech/laws of physics change. ;)
 
Timeline:
1946: an asteroid impacts the moon, producing an explosion visible from the Earth with the naked eye. Over the next few weeks, the Earth is subjected to numerous meteor showers produced from material ejected during the impact.
1947: after speeding most of the year analyzing meteoric samples, scientists publish their findings. The moon and the object that impacted it are easily differentiated by their mineral composition. Many of the meteors classified as fragments of the asteroid are contain gold veins.

The suddenly imminent risk of a doomsday asteroid collision drives national interest in space colonization. This kills any treaty like the Outer Space Treaty which would ban space colonization.

Private interests also know that there is gold in them craters. While the first attempt at a gold rush dies due to inadequate technology, that is only the first of many.
 
I'll bite.

1912, the United States reelects Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson's plan to run as an independent and split the vote is instead promised a cabinet position and support later to drop it. Taft loses anyway.

This time the US doesn't stay out of The Great War either.

But when news of the Zimmerman telegraph breaks, he doesn't believe the Germans would be that desperate or stupid.

There however has been the issue of the British intentionally making ships full of American, military targets, then there's attacks on their shipping to Europe despite neutrality.

Roosevelt convinces Congress it's a fine time to stop being their lap dog, and enforce the Monroe Doctrine properly.

Most of the fighting is in North and South American as the Caribbean Islands.

The US doesn't outright join the central alliance it's a situation of Co-belligerence, Roosevelt was fine to ignore France, till he found out the French were sending arms through Saint Pierre and Miquelon, France lost their colonies too.

The Dutch under threat of ending up surrounded joins the central powers.

Most of Belgium is handed over to them.

When news of the American declaration of war hits, France surrenders, with a few conditions.

The British however fight back til they too are defeated, their entire empire and even the home islands broken apart.

England itself falls into a civil war one side blaming the monarchy the other supporting them and one day reclaiming everything lost.

The former were supported by Wales and Scotland, something like a very an informal Celtic alliance is born out of the aftermath.

The British isles also fall under US influence.

Tensions rise during the 1920s on into the 1940s, when the German Empire scares everyone launching Earths first artificial sattlite in 1941.

This of course launches the space race, and it never ends.

There's no outer space treaty here, for a century endless scientific advances. With the funding from two superpowers each controlling a continent.

It doesn't look like there's ever actually going to be a second world war these days, but if ever there is.

The entire solar system will probably be involved.

I know we had that here, but one was Russia they can only run anything one direction (into the ground). Here it's two who understand, capitalism, industrial might, and technology.
 
Last edited:
I know we had that here, but one was Russia they can only run anything one direction (into the ground). Here it's two who understand, capitalism, industrial might, and technology.
The Germans send the memetic warhead that was Marx to the UK instead of Russia.


Changes in electronics development in a world of non-stop space race:
Micro-electronics developments starts to diverge in the late seventies but the differences only become noticeable in consumer electronics in the late 90s, this is due to a rider getting placed in all research grants that call for tempest hardening for space usage. The rider gets updated multiple times over the following decades as scientific understanding of the threats space pose to electronics improves. This doesn't completely kill personal computers, but it does slow the progress of Moore's law as time goes forward due to altered priorities.

Fault protection technologies like ECC memory are considered much more important. Even if they are not really necessary for household equipment, these technologies are advertised on high end personal computers due to their important to the cultural zeitgeist.

Vacuum channel transistors see much more active research due to their radiation tolerance. These become a replacement to the transition to multi-core CPUs OTL. First coming into the market as high end components but becoming mainstream in the twenty-teens. Multi-CPU motherboards persist into the twenty-twenties due to the combination of transistor miniaturization lagging significantly behind OTL by this point and multi-core CPUs still being restricted to server and workstation processors.
 
Marx just had ideas, he was an academic not a revolutionary.

You mean Lennin.

The thing is he was from Russia originally that wouldn't go over as well in England, he'd be shouting at people in an accent, and from a country now allied with Germany at that. (Because of course it would be and St Petersburg now really close to the border of their puppet Finland is still the capital) Russia isn't industrialized until or unless there's a German firm that feels it's necessary thing to build one there.

Although I don't hate the idea of the idea of him being horribly beaten to death for attempts to do just that in Hyde Park in wartorn London that's just found out it's not even the capital anymore, ( that's been moved by treaty to Oxford.) and they didn't even get to keep the Isle of Mann.

No one is in any mood for this upstart foreigner to start telling the British what they should do about it.
 
Marx just had ideas, he was an academic not a revolutionary.
Marx was a provocateur who was thrown around by the powers of WW1 like a grenade in a game of hot-potato. They gave him money and a one way trip in order to cause trouble in their enemies' back yard.
 
Marx was a provocateur who was thrown around by the powers of WW1 like a grenade in a game of hot-potato. They gave him money and a one way trip in order to cause trouble in their enemies' back yard.

Really wow.

History really is by the victor.

All I knew about him was exactly what I posted.

Did he even renounce Marxism on his death head. To Google for reserch.
 
LBJ dies in what is probably the first publicly significant helicopter crash while campaigning in Texas.

The U.S. MIC and deep state and champagne liberals lose one of their top fellow travelers/enablers.

A far less embittered Nixon becomes president and follows Eisenhower's advice, namely to be careful with the MIC and also appoints George Kennan as U.S. secretary of state.

However, the military industrial complex is too large and significant to try and downsize, and the threat of China and the USSR is still there.

The US Navy and US Air force continue to work on their own space projects alongside the retargeted US MIC, which now turns into a powerful space lobby.

In 1962 NASA is dissolved and it's components and personnel are combined with those of the Navy and air force space divisions to form the U.S. space force.
Nixon settles the argument by saying that since "you use ships in space, anyway" part of the navy top brass will be moved over to lead the new branch.

1963 The law for the defense of nuclear family values is passed by a narrow margin in the Senate, stipulating that any and all assistance for children must be linked to the marital status of the parents.
Another, more controversial part at the time is the prohibition of advertising directly to teenagers and other minors.

1963 Notable science fiction author Robert A. Heinlein is made the Space Navy's civilian spokesman.

In 1964, project High Frontier is officially launched.

The U.S.A will be going to the moon, and it will be following a strategy of Assured Survival and Assured Revenge.

Using cheap, mostly automated rockets, the U.S.A. builds a large space space station, Space Port 1, officially commissioned in 1967, which will be used as a staging ground for Lunar and near Earth exploration and classified military purposes.
Travel to the moon will be done via space tugs launched from Space Port 1.



The additional capabilities become obvious a few years later, when the U.S. starts deploying ABM systems and nukes in space.

At this point, a large portion of the US military budget is going into space based projects.

In the mid 70s, the U.S. perfects its first, cheap kinetic kill sats, often referred to as rods from god.

1973 - the first permanent Lunar base is built, with resource extraction and transportation to Space Port 1 to start 6 months later.

The need for reliable, safe energy generation in space leads to a push for more research into novel energy sources, including space based photovoltaics and thorium reactors, with the first terrestrial thorium reactors going live in 1974 and solar cells becoming a source for backup and supplementary power in remote rural areas.
The USSR is, of course, not sleeping, and starts a large space buildup of its own, with the first capture of an in situ resource utilization worthy asteroid being executed by them in 1979, the harvesting of materials in space is prioritized to counter the U.S. advantage in holding the Moon.

The soviets, similarity deploy space-based ABM complexes and kinetic kill sats of their own.

1978 - the first experimental power sat co-sponsored by the U.S. department of energy, USAID and a giggle of public and private aid organizations and and national and international charities starts to beam power to a remote village in central Africa.
The USSR and China immediately cry "Death Rays", but are mostly ignored, but the technology does not become massive immediately due to a variety of concerns, including weaponization, efficiency and the lack of a critical mass of potential subscribers.

1980 Ronald Reagan is elected president, with a plan to open up space to more commercial interests.

1983 Soviet first deputy of the council of ministers Ivan Arkhipov opens up reactors 3 and 4 of the Chernobyl NPP during a highly publicized event which sees the going into operation of the first two large scale thorium reactors, with Arkhipov and other Soviet functionaries using the event to grandstand about the "peaceful, safe Atom" and once again lambast the West about its use of a "Dirtier relic technology that can poison the planet and be used to produce terrible weapons.", referencing of course the potential of standard nuclear reactors to breed weapons grade fissionable materials.
Reagan responds by pointing out the larger soviet stockpile of weapons grade fissionables and their sizable fleet of breeder reactors.

1984 First Lady Nancy Reagan sponsors the launch of Prosperity, the first thorium powered civilian cargo ship.

1989 first American astronaut lands on Mars.


1991 the USSR nears completion of its Tsiolkovsky spacecraft, which utilizes magnetoplasmadynamic thrusters and a nuclear reactor, and is supposed to travel beyond mars and reach the asteroid belt and the Jovian planets.

A new race for the resources of Jovians is brewing.

2000 Luna colony, with a population of over half a million, some of which are now second and third generation 'Lunatics' that have never stepped foot on a planet, is officially acknowledged as the as the 51st state.
 
Last edited:
I think no UN, or just no Space Treaty, means that the space race becomes of greater interest, as there is now actual territory and resources available, instead of just bragging rights.

Combine that with either an ongoing superpower rivalry (a la OTL cold war) &/or a reduced nuclear taboo (to enable Orion rockets or similar) and you have a supercharged space race.

The cherry on top would be some sort of astronomical event impact - meteor impact on Earth or Moon - ideally something large enough, and near enough to major power population centers to concentrate attention, without negatively impacting infrastructure or capacity. Timing wise, something impacting within a year or two of the closure of WW2 would be ideal, nations are still in crisis mode, governments of the winners would be feeling confident in themselves and technology, and (assuming ww2 goes the same as OTL or close) would serve to prevent the hard nuclear taboo from solidifying.

Combine all three, and some portion of humanity should end up with long term lunar and martian colonies by turn of century.
 
Have scientific consensus reject linear no threshold back in the fifties, raise yearly civilian exposure limits to, say 50mSv a year (I think that the evidence base for harm over 100mSv a year is rather solid), and let 'er rip! If it turns out that LNT was indeed correct and massive use of nuclear excavation ends up increasing cancer rates by fifty percent (i.e. from 40% originally to 60%), the scientists shrug and the corporate media cover it up by blaming air pollution from coal or something. Also, expect to lose a city every two decades or so to nuclear terrorism or nuclear war, thanks to nuclear proliferation only to have the politicans shrug and say "well, such are things in this brave new Atomic Age we live in", and have the public support atomic-powered space colonies supported by atomic rockets (Orion, NERVA, nuclear-electric your pick) to preserve human civilization. Atompunk comes with great costs, but the benefits, the benefits may well be equally great.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ATP

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top