"Around 2013 the Nazis went online"-How to Radicalize a Normie

[Darmani]

I only just started and I feel like I'm going to need some help picking this one apart
Posted here to watch this with me, or, if you're familiar with the video, any heads up that I should know? I'm unfamiliar with the content creator. I have to admit this sounds a little ridiculous.
Eta: about quarter of the way in this is kind of creepy. No this is freaking creepy. On one Level I appreciate how it appropriately points out the mealy-mouthedness about how we talk about 'politics being bad' when really we mean issues that can cause Inter-Community controversy. On another level, holyshit when I say these guys kind of come off as really buying into their own press they really buy into their own press. 4chan is the devil, white bro sensitivity is the problem, conservatism is a gateway to evil and of course being Progressive in any degree is the pathway to righteousness.

 

[FriedCFour]

Sargon of Akkad, JBP, PJW and Steven Crowder are all far right thought leaders, they are all the same as Daily Stormer. Wow, this guy conflates and conflates and conflates. It's all the same. Of course, at one point he says the guy could become a leftist, and that's not radical at all apparently. That's normal. Blaire White who is trans sells trans people as insane. Ben Shapiro is far right, ThunderF00t is far right, this all absolutely ridiculous. He takes a massive spectrum of views and conflates it all as one.

At 7:30 he tells a complete lie. "They don't sell conservativism as having sounder policies or a more coherent moral framework, they sell it as making you happier". They do both. Watch any episode of the Ben Shapiro show, the latter is what he does, Steven Crowder's change my mind is nothing but talking policies and more coherent moral framework. At 8:21 he uses PewDiePie trying to say he is wearing an Iron Cross when it was the Georgian Bolnisi Cross. PewDiePie plays fucking minecraft. He's not a far righter. 22:10 it's super repetitive, says the man who has made the same video two dozen times.

He doesn't actually have any understanding of the ideologies he is talking about, he conflates many people together, and it's just to the point where it is ridiculous.

The last is also hilarious. "We have hope"

No you don't! You have least hopeful movement that treats you like shit for being a "cis het white guy". You conflate everyone who doesn't share your narrow set of views as radical far right nazis and advocate deplatforming, shunning, and removing them because apparently we are all just totally poisonous.

 

[ShieldWife]

Claims made without evidence can be rejected without evidence. No claim in that video has a shred of evidence to support it. Just emotional appeals to people’s twisted sensibilities.

The so called “far right” can’t do any of the stuff he says. He talks like it is this vast and powerful conspiracy instead of a handful of people making YouTube videos in between going to their day jobs. It’s the left that has such tactics because they have the multi trillion dollar information machine to brain wash people.

It is in fact the left that makes people become “alt-right” because it is the hateful propaganda of the extreme left that very person in the Western world is swimming in. Many people buy into that leftist propaganda but some become so angry (justifiably so) with the extreme left, their agenda, and their power in society that they become what is now sometimes called the “alt-right.”

The existence of the “far right” isn’t a matter of how they are supposedly insnaring vulnerable people, it is the question of a small number of people retreating to the only open medium for conversation which exists for dissenting voices.

 

[FriedCFour]

Claims made without evidence can be rejected without evidence. No claim in that video has a shred of evidence to support it. Just emotionally appeals to people’s twisted sensibilities.

The so called far right can’t do any of the stuff he says. He talks like it is this vast and powerful conspiracy instead of a handful of people making YouTube videos in between going to their day job. It’s the left that has such tactics because they have the multi trillion dollar information machine to brain wash people.

It is in fact the left that makes people become “alt-right” because it is the hateful propaganda of the extreme left that very person in the Western world is swimming in. Many people buy into that leftist propaganda but some become so angry (justifiably so) with the extreme left, their agenda, and their power in society that they become what is now sometimes called the “alt-right.”

Part of the video talks about how you have to remove all the "infiltrators" in your community because they will convert vulnerable people to "nazism". He advocates ostracization, removal from the community because they have to be infiltrators and can't possibly just be people with different beliefs but who like the same media you do. He uses virtually no statistics or stats or facts or anything and says the Right is emotionally based. Literally the whole video is "here are my feelings."

 

[Terthna]

That man, is an utterly ignorant fool; who deserves neither your consideration, nor your attention. Don't give him what he wants, and just forget about him.

 

[ShieldWife]

Part of the video talks about how you have to remove all the "infiltrators" in your community because they will convert vulnerable people to "nazism". He advocates ostracization, removal from the community because they have to be infiltrators and can't possibly just be people with different beliefs but who like the same media you do. He uses virtually no statistics or stats or facts or anything and says the Right is emotionally based. Literally the whole video is "here are my feelings."

Yeah, it’s really an irrational witch hunt mentality. Nazis are everywhere and we must be constantly vigilant. Certain viewpoints can’t be allowed, certain opinions are absolutely evil - even opinions that have nothing to do with being a Nazi at all. Even defending certain forbidden opinions means you must be a Nazi too.

I haven’t gotten through the entire video yet, I have to take breaks so that it doesn’t cause me to facepalm myself to death. The very idea that geeky communities are becoming havens for literal Nazis and are hostile to liberals is so detached from reality that it’s hard to imagine someone with any interaction with geekdom thinking it. They do though, we can see that on our sister sites.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

I watched like three videos from that guy when I was first watching political videos...

he's wrong about basically everything and what little he's vaguely in the direction of being right about he takes on a screwy path right back to wrong about.

 

[Darmani]

I watched like three videos from that guy when I was first watching political videos...

he's wrong about basically everything and what little he's vaguely in the direction of being right about he takes on a screwy path right back to wrong about.

Well I like gossip, specific dish?

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

Every Danskin video I've watched just feels so very off to me. Like something deep in my lizard brain is telling me, "Hey hey hold up, this makes no sense..."

That and he seems to be a very compartmentalized person. I've looked for him interacting with other YouTubers, some sort of debate or conversation, specifically with the Right. But I found nothing at all of the sort. Danskin has absolutely no desire or interest in interacting with anyone, just to put out his videos and proclaim himself the winner.

 

[FriedCFour]

Every Danskin video I've watched just feels so very off to me. Like something deep in my lizard brain is telling me, "Hey hey hold up, this makes no sense..."

That and he seems to be a very compartmentalized person. I've looked for him interacting with other YouTubers, some sort of debate or conversation, specifically with the Right. But I found nothing at all of the sort. Danskin has absolutely no desire or interest in interacting with anyone, just to put out his videos and proclaim himself the winner.

Leftists make up a very small portion of the AIN as compared to those more right wing or moderate, who have been around since the beginnings of YouTube and been moderately to now highly popular. On the contrast you had Young Turks, who ran things much more like an MSNBC but online. There is one thing he says that is interesting, it's not what you say but how you say it. It's in fact both, because Sargon is not Metokur is not Crowder is not Jordan B Peterson, they all say different things in very different ways. For Danskin its the opposite. It's not how he is saying it, because his politivlogging is objectively way below the par of the majority of the right, who at the very least tend to make their 40 minute long form videos with studies, articles, evidence, and not just pure conjecture, but the fact that what he is saying is leftwing and appeals to that audience in a novel way. The skeptics, the conservatives, and the anti-sjw YouTubers all rose around 2011-2013, but the lefties all tended to come about in 2016. They are a much newer phenomenon. Contrapoints started then, Innuendo Studios got real overtly political 2 years ago, Destiny switched from gamer to politics around then. Contrast that with Crowder who took a decade to grow to the level he is at as the biggest Conservative channel on YouTube. The history is so much longer and harder to break into now because of the standards. You need to either be funny or bring some kind of interesting identity or commentary that you don't need for leftists because just by being a leftwing channel you already have some uniqueness to you, and having his little drawings and infographics that don't mean much are his personal appeal.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

Leftists make up a very small portion of the AIN as compared to those more right wing or moderate, who have been around since the beginnings of YouTube and been moderately to now highly popular. On the contrast you had Young Turks, who ran things much more like an MSNBC but online. There is one thing he says that is interesting, it's not what you say but how you say it. It's in fact both, because Sargon is not Metokur is not Crowder is not Jordan B Peterson, they all say different things in very different ways. For Danskin its the opposite. It's not how he is saying it, because his politivlogging is objectively way below the par of the majority of the right, who at the very least tend to make their 40 minute long form videos with studies, articles, evidence, and not just pure conjecture, but the fact that what he is saying is leftwing and appeals to that audience in a novel way. The skeptics, the conservatives, and the anti-sjw YouTubers all rose around 2011-2013, but the lefties all tended to come about in 2016. They are a much newer phenomenon. Contrapoints started then, Innuendo Studios got real overtly political 2 years ago, Destiny switched from gamer to politics around then. Contrast that with Crowder who took a decade to grow to the level he is at as the biggest Conservative channel on YouTube. The history is so much longer and harder to break into now because of the standards. You need to either be funny or bring some kind of interesting identity or commentary that you don't need for leftists because just by being a leftwing channel you already have some uniqueness to you, and having his little drawings and infographics that don't mean much are his personal appeal.

The fact that Sargon, Crowder, and everyone else have been established for so long compared to Danskin makes the attrition all the more bitter, honestly. Right-Wing YouTubers put in work, and it's all at risk because of people like Danskin mewling about "Muh radicalism!" even when we're getting evidence that's not how it works. And Danskin being this upstart makes it worse.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The fact that Sargon, Crowder, and everyone else have been established for so long compared to Danskin makes the attrition all the more bitter, honestly. Right-Wing YouTubers put in work, and it's all at risk because of people like Danskin mewling about "Muh radicalism!" even when we're getting evidence that's not how it works. And Danskin being this upstart makes it worse.

Right-Wing to Moderate Youtubers being around longer than the SJWs and being more famous?

Honestly, I wonder why Hollywood and other media and entertainment companies think pandering to SJWs smart, if so

Unless they mostly look at parts of Twitter and Tumblr overrun by SJW types and because they already had Near2Far Left-Wing members and lived in places where the Left ruled major opinion

 

[LordsFire]

Conjecture built upon conjecture built upon conjecture.

In the end, it looks like somewhere between 40-80% of a mirror reflection of how people end up ensnared in the hard left. He wasn't even conscious of how casually racist and sexist he was against white men with the language he was using. Didn't even consider that the common jokes and put-downs about men, particularly white men, and 'cis' people, are exactly the kind of line-drawing and 'you're not going to go against the group, right?' stuff he's talking about.

One of the things that particularly blew my mind though, was the 'these content creators try to isolate people.'

Rubin invites almost anybody onto his show.
Crowder invites all kinds of people, and repeatedly goes on about 'Check leftist news sources too. Check the info for yourself, don't take our word for it.'
Peterson's all about personal responsibility, and repeatedly reiterates and refrains the need to not let yourself be 'possessed by' ideology.
Even Molyneux, who I've barely listened to/watched any of his stuff, I know tells people to check his sources and whatnot.


It is so blatantly obvious that this guy hasn't actually watched/listened to any of these content creators himself. Or if he has, he's so deep into his mania, that he actively forgets anything conflicting with his narrative.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

It is so blatantly obvious that this guy hasn't actually watched/listened to any of these content creators himself. Or if he has, he's so deep into his mania, that he actively forgets anything conflicting with his narrative.

I’m pretty sure most of us have actually encountered people like him, even talk to them here and they try gaslighting people on things that they actually know more about people like Jordan Peterson and Tim Pool

Notice there’s usually at best an attempt to go, the Right-Wingers are “just as bad” as us Left-Wingers when it’s no longer simply right vs left, but guys who include leftists who realised that they are going against a Left that went crazy moronic to the Nth Degree and sees everything right of it as Hitler

 

[Cyan Saiyajin]

First off I find anyone who outright argues that essentially all arguments he disagrees with are in bad faith to be immediately suspect. Every video I have seen from that channel is essentially about frame working a bad faith argument for any argument that goes against his beliefs and I feel that is the intention. Innuendo isn't exploring political ideas or arguments, he is about providing excuses to ignore and morally judge positions he disagrees with.

This video is a fine example of that, where ASJW critiques one of his videos and points out two rather big points. The first is about 3:50 in where Innuendo says he can't take conservatives at their worlds because he can't make a logical world view of the things they say. The next part at 6:40 is also him giving a speech essentially saying that the bad politics do make you a bad person on some level.

 

[Cherico]

OK the moops episode was about a boy who lived in a bubble who literally terrorized every one around him.

Making every ones life misterable and using his weakness as a shield to protect him from the conquences of his actions, moops was done in response to an entire episode where the bubble boy acted like a horrible jack ass, using the rules as written against him. after this the bubble boy attacked a man who hadn't done anything violent to him and was hurt in his own violent psychotic episoide.

Why would you willingly compare yourself to that?

 

[FriedCFour]

OK the moops episode was about a boy who lived in a bubble who literally terrorized every one around him.

Making every ones life misterable and using his weakness as a shield to protect him from the conquences of his actions, moops was done in response to an entire episode where the bubble boy acted like a horrible jack ass, using the rules as written against him. after this the bubble boy attacked a man who hadn't done anything violent to him and was hurt in his own violent psychotic episoide.

Why would you willingly compare yourself to that?

Because he was right, just like progressives are right and conservatives are wrong. Damn all context or anything else, if you hold the correct position you are morally correct. That is genuinely what he believes, as he says, "On monday you go to help me move my stuff, but on tuesday you take away your healthcare." And on top of that he believes that politics is a pure game for everyone on the right, we hold no beliefs sincerely, and we exist just to annoy him and spite him.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Because he was right, just like progressives are right and conservatives are wrong. Damn all context or anything else, if you hold the correct position you are morally correct. That is genuinely what he believes, as he says, "On monday you go to help me move my stuff, but on tuesday you take away your healthcare." And on top of that he believes that politics is a pure game for everyone on the right, we hold no beliefs sincerely, and we exist just to annoy him and spite him.

TBF, I think he and many others have decided that much kf Hollywood is a great teacher and have been teaching them stuff that goes against “The Man” alongside much of education and by watching CNN and MNSBC that goes against a whole list of cliche’s that lump lots of bigotries and injustices together and don’t question if it is really as common or the opposition actually thinks that way

There’s a problem in that I think FOX is ignored, because outside of being Pro-American and Right-Wing it might not be considered as “worldly” as the latter two examples

 

[Cyan Saiyajin]

And on top of that he believes that politics is a pure game for everyone on the right, we hold no beliefs sincerely, and we exist just to annoy him and spite him.

Which blatantly contradicts some of his previous videos on the matter of conservative beliefs, which while twisted and imo very, very wrong, still are a belief system. Now he says that its all a "game" to them, and they are trying to "win".

And how does he come to this conclusion? Treating 4chan like a hivemind where all of the ideas are being represented by one person. It only highlights his logical failure that his arguments he makes with such an easy strawman are so easy for ASJW to debunk.